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GriffMeister
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia59 Posts
May 23 2010 19:58 GMT
#21
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A pair of hands at work is worth more than a million clasped in prayer
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
May 23 2010 20:00 GMT
#22
As long as you dont do macros I dont really care if you use this. I wouldn't be surprised if it was banned form tournaments though.

Also, shamelessly bumping your own thread is frowned upon hear at TL.
zizzefex
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada34 Posts
May 23 2010 20:06 GMT
#23
I use this:

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I don't use the macro's... I just rebind the keys. Not sure why you would want to use macro's at all. This one is a really old model though been using it for a long long time.
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
May 23 2010 20:08 GMT
#24
On May 24 2010 05:00 Mastermind wrote:
As long as you dont do macros I dont really care if you use this. I wouldn't be surprised if it was banned form tournaments though.

Also, shamelessly bumping your own thread is frowned upon hear at TL.


Excuse me, but I only made 1 "bumping" post before HDH, and I Do Not and Will Not spam like a simple dot in every minutes, just to get the thread up to date.
netisopl
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada10 Posts
May 23 2010 20:22 GMT
#25
I think people who are super worried about weather or not superior hardware is cheating should wait to pick up starcraft 2 and play it on the consoles. Anyone who has used these macro keyboards / mouses can tell you that the difference is negligible. Generally the people who will actually benefit from the macro keyboards will be playing in bronze league.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
May 23 2010 20:38 GMT
#26
I would why the fug now at long as they are in grid format lol what's the difference.
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
May 23 2010 21:46 GMT
#27
On May 24 2010 05:22 netisopl wrote:
Generally the people who will actually benefit from the macro keyboards will be playing in bronze league.


Indeed =) I started at the copper league after my placement matches and I was using the G13 !
It took me a week to get up to the silver league (just before the patch 13 =l) and I can honestly say, that the ingame experience helped me much more to get ahead, than the G13 !
MovieDude
Profile Joined May 2010
7 Posts
May 24 2010 15:13 GMT
#28
I am hoping someone on this forum can please help me. I have been searching quite a bit for information on using the G-13 w/ Starcraft 2 and have found very little information.

I am positive I can obtain the results I am looking for w/ scripting, but i am not a programmer and this seems to be a bit above my head. If someone can lend me some assistance on the following issues, I would greatly appreciate it!

A) Opener Script : I would like this script to perform the following actions in the start of a game if possible:

0) Select a probe and press "Control+3" to assign to hotkey 3.
1) Select ALL probes and right click on middle mineral patch to begin mining.
2) Select Nexus and press "E" to build my first probe.
3) Select the Nexus and set the middle mineral patch as the rally point.
4) Select the Nexus and press "Control+0" to assign Nexus as hotkey "0".
5) Press "Control+F5" to set the current camera view to my main base.

(I always play as Protoss, so switching to different configurations for different races is NOT an issue for me. This is a pain in the a$$ to do at the beginning of EVERY game and would love to SCRIPT it.)

B) Build Gateway (Or other Building) & Assign Hotkey

1a) Press "3" to select probe hot-keyed from above script.
1b) Or alternately just use the probe currently selected
2) Press "B" then "G" to build a gateway and let me click to select position.
3) Select the new gateway & assign hotkey by pressing "control+9"

(I would like to be able to modify this script code to make other buildings as well and assign a different hotkey to each. For instance I may want to build a Cybercore "C" and assign it to "7". Of course each script will be attached to a separate GXX button on the G13.)

These two things would really help me out quite a bit. Thank you for taking the time to read my message, and no flames please. I simply want to make the gaming experience more pleasurable for myself by reducing repetitive keyboard presses every single game. I am not a professional and do not compete...
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6992 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 15:19:12
May 24 2010 15:18 GMT
#29
These two things would really help me out quite a bit. Thank you for taking the time to read my message, and no flames please. I simply want to make the gaming experience more pleasurable for myself by reducing repetitive keyboard presses every single game. I am not a professional and do not compete...

Now your script is already so close to hacking that its comparable to multiselection hack in bw so even if you're not going to attend any tournaments I really suggest you don't cheat like that in the ladder either as its very, very unfair.

If that is allowed then where do you cross the line? Someone could create a script that does the whole build order for you and does a timing push with perfect micro while you yourself are sipping your god damn coffee. Lets not even start going towards that direction please.
MovieDude
Profile Joined May 2010
7 Posts
May 24 2010 15:30 GMT
#30
That is a little over board. I am not looking for a script to play the game as I drink coffee. I simply want to make the game more fun and accessible for myself while playing campaigns or against the AI. I am currently in bronze league and have little ambition to play professionally. I work way to much for that and have a wife and 2 kids that take up most of my time. I have very little time to even play games these days, and when i do I would rather not have to worry about assigning hotkeys to every building I make. I am sure you would kick my ass in a 1v1 using macros or not; this is still a game of skill and strategy! I really do not see the big deal, but I do respect your point of view...
cloudJR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States266 Posts
May 24 2010 15:31 GMT
#31
Yeah I agree with most of the people in here. I have no issue with a gamepad as long as you bind the keys differently and nothing more. My buddy uses a g13 and he is still just as bad as he would be using a keyboard. It's just more comfortable.
All I can hear are thousands of children screaming imbalance.......
nemetroid
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden33 Posts
May 24 2010 15:47 GMT
#32
As long as every button is mapped to a single key it shouldn't matter if you're using a keyboard, a G13, a Power Glove, a MIDI keyboard (pointer controlled with pitch and modulation wheels) or what have you.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
May 24 2010 15:49 GMT
#33
Doesn't really bother me. I use keyboard but I wouldn't care if someone played me with gamepad.

Would anyone actually, honestly be angry?
My. Copy. Is. Here.
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
May 24 2010 15:52 GMT
#34
On May 25 2010 00:13 MovieDude wrote:
I am hoping someone on this forum can please help me. I have been searching quite a bit for information on using the G-13 w/ Starcraft 2 and have found very little information.

You can easily make some of your ideas as a Macro, but not everything. You just need to attach a Macro to the selected G-key, and not a simple key. After that you end up at the Macro Creating window. There you can start Recording any keypress-chain. If you finished it, you can add Mouse Clicks too for the Macro, But you cannot eliminate your Mouse Movement by Macros ! So in the end you must send out your first workers to gather by your own mouse.

Although I suggest you just to make a more Comfortable keybind with it. Using like one Layer for Micro and another for Macro.
blackodd
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden451 Posts
May 24 2010 15:58 GMT
#35
I like to play on even terms, and doing the crazy queen injection trick makes me feel skilled.

(hover mouse in middle of screen, select all queens, V, hold right shift + spam backspace and left mouse)
For I am the Queen of Blades. And none shall ever dispute my rule, again...
TheDna
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany577 Posts
May 24 2010 16:15 GMT
#36
This is not sc1 ppl will use g15 and it will be supported so macros should be 100% legit. I cant imagine that macroes would be good in sc2 but they sure as hell will be legit.
MovieDude
Profile Joined May 2010
7 Posts
May 24 2010 17:00 GMT
#37
Obviously opinions on this can be varied, as to the authenticity of gameplay. But in the end, this is a tool available to anyone.

Let me give you an example. I am also a DJ for fun. When people first started dj'ing in the 70's it was all vinyl! When Cd's came out in the 80's, and dj's began to switch from LP to CD, some DJ's would say it's not DJing unless it is on vinyl! Then software like Traktor came out which allows a DJ to play with a laptop and mp3 files. No records or CD's needed. Hell, the software has a built in mixer, so you don't even need any physical hardware! Once again, old school DJ's complained that if it was not LP or CD's you are NOT a DJ.

Well times change, and a tool is a tool. People should be open minded about embracing new tools (hardware) to make a hard job easier for the masses. That's why these tools are made in the first place. Of course if a DJ sucks to begin with, it doesn't matter what format he plays his music on; it will still be crap.

You give to 2 people a mound of clay, and one builds a marble, and the other a detailed statue. Skill is skill and talent is talent regardless of the medium used...

In the end, it's pretty subjective. But just because there was an old way of doing it doesn't make the new way of doing it wrong, it's just a different point of view and still perfectly valid in my mind for those willing to embrace that times have changed and new tools are available to make our lives easier...

Just my 2 cents...

BTW: Tools like Traktor have become the NORM for modern dj's, and most will show up to gigs w/ just a laptop. No more heavy records or bulky cd's to lug around. What was once fround upon has become accepted, and become the new norm. Now there is a larger talent pool out there which brings more diversity, and has overall changed the industry as a whole for the better!
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
May 24 2010 17:14 GMT
#38
I aggree with your story absolutely, about constant changing of tools over decades. Thanks for your well organized opinion on this theme !
LeX-
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada49 Posts
May 24 2010 18:03 GMT
#39
On May 25 2010 00:13 MovieDude wrote:
I am hoping someone on this forum can please help me. I have been searching quite a bit for information on using the G-13 w/ Starcraft 2 and have found very little information.

I am positive I can obtain the results I am looking for w/ scripting, but i am not a programmer and this seems to be a bit above my head. If someone can lend me some assistance on the following issues, I would greatly appreciate it!

A) Opener Script : I would like this script to perform the following actions in the start of a game if possible:

0) Select a probe and press "Control+3" to assign to hotkey 3.
1) Select ALL probes and right click on middle mineral patch to begin mining.
2) Select Nexus and press "E" to build my first probe.
3) Select the Nexus and set the middle mineral patch as the rally point.
4) Select the Nexus and press "Control+0" to assign Nexus as hotkey "0".
5) Press "Control+F5" to set the current camera view to my main base.

(I always play as Protoss, so switching to different configurations for different races is NOT an issue for me. This is a pain in the a$$ to do at the beginning of EVERY game and would love to SCRIPT it.)

B) Build Gateway (Or other Building) & Assign Hotkey

1a) Press "3" to select probe hot-keyed from above script.
1b) Or alternately just use the probe currently selected
2) Press "B" then "G" to build a gateway and let me click to select position.
3) Select the new gateway & assign hotkey by pressing "control+9"

(I would like to be able to modify this script code to make other buildings as well and assign a different hotkey to each. For instance I may want to build a Cybercore "C" and assign it to "7". Of course each script will be attached to a separate GXX button on the G13.)

These two things would really help me out quite a bit. Thank you for taking the time to read my message, and no flames please. I simply want to make the gaming experience more pleasurable for myself by reducing repetitive keyboard presses every single game. I am not a professional and do not compete...


No one here will script this for you.

When the game comes out, hopefully all of this will be blocked for ladder play/online play.
SzaszaG
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary120 Posts
May 24 2010 18:42 GMT
#40
Common people we already got 80+ Votes ! The poll slowly gets more and more significant I think ! =)
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