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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44359 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:10 Ballistixz wrote: im still so very amazed at people trying to compare coaching to a video game compared to tutoring for being a math major or a professional football/basketball player. its just unbelievable how gullible and stupid people are. you can make millions being a pro football player during there career and having a math tutor opens so many doors for you to have a successful life. musical tutors is the same, lots of money to be made in the music industry. stop trying to compare it because it is not the same... the chances of you making any money at all playing starcraft is insanely low. Agreed! No one's ever made any money off of their hobbies before. For example, there are no cash tournaments for poker, nor will there ever be. /sarcasm. Dude, there are even cash tournaments for Pokemon, Magic, and Yu-Gi-Oh cards... And StarCraft 2 is still in the beta stage and there are already cash tournaments that give thousands of dollars to the winners! It can become really big, especially in the United States. If you're really interested in it, this camp won't hurt. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
Thats what I was thinking, private lessons for activities are usually 50+/hour. I've been moonlighting as a upper level math tutor for $30 an hour but all my work is done online which is nice. I just think that helping someone in SC2 isn't much different than math. You learn to get better at SC by playing games and learning from those experiences and in math you do problems and learn from them. Tutoring is about pushing people in the right direction which is very easy and pays very good for the small amount of effort involved. I do like seeing e-sports being more and more commercialized though. I'd like an ESPN for e-sports in america.... some day before i die. :D | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:04 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I'd go and list the things I have done for the SC community but I don't have that much time..... ...oh i did not know, sir im so sorry, i'll be on my way now + Show Spoiler + you clearly deserve more respect than you'll ever give | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:14 starcraft911 wrote: Rofl, this is the funniest post I've seen in a long time. My first reaction was, "who the hell would pay for this?" but after giving it a little though I started to think of the calibur of people I play on the NA ladder and I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in this. I don't think it will make a big difference on anyones skill and I'm not sure that the house should be called a "pro" house, but nevertheless I hope you guys make money off of it and I guess it could be a pretty cool experience assuming you guys work to help whoever signs up. You might be surprised what regular lessons can do for individual skill level. I have a number of students who jumped from copper/bronze to silver/gold within 3-4 lessons online. | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Agreed! No one's ever made any money off of their hobbies before. For example, there are no cash tournaments for poker, nor will there ever be. /sarcasm. Dude, there are even cash tournaments for Pokemon, Magic, and Yu-Gi-Oh cards... And StarCraft 2 is still in the beta stage and there are already cash tournaments that give thousands of dollars to the winners! It can become really big, especially in the United States. If you're really interested in it, this camp won't hurt. like i said, THINK before you make such wild claims. think of your chances to get that money. its a tournament meaning there will only be a few ppl to get that cash which isnt even alot of money. since its a tournament there will be loosers and those loosers will get shit. wining cash PRIZES is nothing to live off of. like i said, your chances of gaining money at all is low since your chances of winning these tournaments is low. and even if you do win the money u get is not that significant. but gullible ppl will always be gullible. go enter one of the many SC2 tournaments they have running and try to figure out your chances of even getting in even the semi finals of said tournament. once you do that figure out the chances of you getting to the semi finals or finals for each tournament after that. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
You might be surprised what regular lessons can do for individual skill level. I have a number of students who jumped from copper/bronze to silver/gold within 3-4 lessons online. I was actually considering tanking my placement matches last reset so I could enter the Silver Stars tournaments you guys put on. With that said I'm not sure how much I'd benefit from online lessons. I mean generally I know what I do wrong. I'm bad at remembering to expand creep, I sometimes have poor unit placement/battle locations, I forget to inject larvae every 40 seconds ... Though I guess you guys get paid for your little tricks to help guys like me. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:10 Ballistixz wrote: im still so very amazed at people trying to compare coaching to a video game compared to tutoring for being a math major or a professional football/basketball player. its just unbelievable how gullible and stupid people are. you can make millions being a pro football player during there career and having a math tutor opens so many doors for you to have a successful life. musical tutors is the same, lots of money to be made in the music industry. stop trying to compare it because it is not the same... the chances of you making any money at all playing starcraft is insanely low. Oh and becoming a pro football player or musician is soooo easy. /end sarcasm Yea, tutoring math or something is much more realistic, I'll give you that. However, exactly how different is this camp from any other "training camp" for sports or music? I've been to soccer camps myself and I can tell you right now I'm nowhere near becoming a soccer pro. Why'd I go then? Because I love soccer and I love playing the sport. People dont' go to these things because they think it'll help them go pro (usually). People go to these thigns because they love the activity and enjoy playing/doing it. Really dude, how much easier do you think becoming a pro sports player or professional musician is than being a pro gamer anyways? Even if you become a pro football player, the chances of you becoming a big name QB is much smaller than simply becoming some no-name defensive lineman. If you use music as an example, you really have no idea how freaking hard it is to actually make a good living off of music. You're either the best (read: yo-yo ma/ itzhak perlman status) or you barely scrape by on music alone. The chances of becoming a successful progamer is pretty much the same as becoming a successful sports player or musician. | ||
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Jettster
United States73 Posts
^good post above me as well. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:01 billyX333 wrote: lol i'm not going to roll over for everybody with a higher post count than me respecting forum veterans =/= respecting every single guy with more posts i know who i'd consider veterans, and its neither you nor that other guy and i dont think about who is "more of a veteran than another guy, therefor the lesser veteran should bow down" ... you either are, or you arent I'm not asking you to roll over for me. I'm askign you to roll over for the OP and stop trolling his thread. Yea, I'm no veteran (read: less than 1k post) and not well-known, but the OP sure as hell is. Respect that or gtfo. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:22 billyX333 wrote: ...oh i did not know, sir im so sorry, i'll be on my way now + Show Spoiler + you clearly deserve more respect than you'll ever give I give plenty of respect where do. Don't believe me than ask any of the following people whom will tell you I am as respectful as can be: Lz, Machine, Inka, Louder, Artosis, QXC, Sheth, Drewbie, Catz, Nony, well ANY player I have ever worked with, which is about every American SC2 progamer out there.... | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:25 Louder wrote: You might be surprised what regular lessons can do for individual skill level. I have a number of students who jumped from copper/bronze to silver/gold within 3-4 lessons online. Yea so many lower end players lack a lot of basic knowledge that if they knew they would jump up a league or 2, having some1 almost 24 hours a day you can ask questions and get thorough advice from is really really gonna help there play, 3 nights at a decent hotel is like what 200$ or a little over 200$? I'm usually skeptical about these things but you will defiantly get your moneys worth, its like some sick starcraft vacation or something lol | ||
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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
I think this is cool, but... Arizona in the summer? Ugh. If your A/C breaks your PR is going to nosedive. I think getting people to bring their own computers is a pretty large barrier. Do you have the funds to scrape up a bunch of $100-200 computers to run on low settings? Can your grid handle it? Remember Power Outage. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:32 Ryuu314 wrote: I'm not asking you to roll over for me. I'm askign you to roll over for the OP and stop trolling his thread. Yea, I'm no veteran (read: less than 1k post) and not well-known, but the OP sure as hell is. Respect that or gtfo. ive always had great respect for incontrol i always watched him haypro and mondragon reps once upon a time doesnt mean im not going to throw in my opinion about a sc2 gaming camp and how it will be perceived (currently) because i respect the op doesnt mean im going to pretend i like this idea i love this caste system on steroids being more perpetuated by people like you than actual veterans "go back to gg.net" "...or gtfo" "lol go back to useast" "go back to channel clan x17" wtf seriously i havent taken any jabs at anyone in particular, just until some dude thinks hes the tl.net jesus and feels he has carte blanche to walk over everyone he perceives to be of inferior stature using something as trivial as post count to prove his point somehow ...seriously, grow up On May 12 2010 04:33 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I give plenty of respect where do. Don't believe me than ask any of the following people whom will tell you I am as respectful as can be: Lz, Machine, Inka, Louder, Artosis, QXC, Sheth, Drewbie, Catz, Nony, well ANY player I have ever worked with, which is about every American SC2 progamer out there.... thats where you and me differ i give respect to everybody you dont earn respect from me, you lose it ..seriously, imagine if a pro gamer had made the comments i did, you wouldnt be speaking thats whats sad about you, your ego, and your personality you only show your true colors when you think you're of greater stature | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:10 Ballistixz wrote: im still so very amazed at people trying to compare coaching to a video game compared to tutoring for being a math major or a professional football/basketball player. its just unbelievable how gullible and stupid people are. you can make millions being a pro football player during there career and having a math tutor opens so many doors for you to have a successful life. musical tutors is the same, lots of money to be made in the music industry. stop trying to compare it because it is not the same... the chances of you making any money at all playing starcraft is insanely low. Lol at that last statement. How many kids play football growing up and make it to the NFL? I don't think this camp, as stated a hundred times before, is designed for you guys to become the #1 player in the world, its for the fun times and the experience while also learning about a game that we all love. The argument here that its not worth is completely unjustified and stupid, 250 dollars is literally 3-4x less than what I expected. They will sell out weekends upon weekends if they want to whatever the price is. The argument that people are doing this for an unreleased game is equally stupid. How many thousands of dollars worth of prize money has been given out in tournaments for this game that has been out for 3 months? Released or not, this game is popular and people will support it. If Blizzard gave their approval for this, then why would blizzard pull the plug on the beta, if the organizers for this camp already probably gave info to blizzard on it. Stop being so negative guys, but if you insist on trolling, go to mlgpro.com and search "str8 camp" and blow your load to that camp. On a shittier game. That costs 10-12x as much. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:30 Ryuu314 wrote: Oh and becoming a pro football player or musician is soooo easy. /end sarcasm Yea, tutoring math or something is much more realistic, I'll give you that. However, exactly how different is this camp from any other "training camp" for sports or music? I've been to soccer camps myself and I can tell you right now I'm nowhere near becoming a soccer pro. Why'd I go then? Because I love soccer and I love playing the sport. People dont' go to these things because they think it'll help them go pro (usually). People go to these thigns because they love the activity and enjoy playing/doing it. Really dude, how much easier do you think becoming a pro sports player or professional musician is than being a pro gamer anyways? Even if you become a pro football player, the chances of you becoming a big name QB is much smaller than simply becoming some no-name defensive lineman. If you use music as an example, you really have no idea how freaking hard it is to actually make a good living off of music. You're either the best (read: yo-yo ma/ itzhak perlman status) or you barely scrape by on music alone. The chances of becoming a successful progamer is pretty much the same as becoming a successful sports player or musician. i never said it was easy. being good at anything is never easy, you have to work up to it. but the thing is you are paying 250$ for someone to tell you "build your pool you hatch at 14 build your pool at 13" "macro more dont let your macro slip". yes that is VERY helpful im not denying that fact, but why pay 250$ + other hidden fees for someone to tell you that? you can learn that just by watching your replays. hell post your replays in a thread saying you need help on certain things and i bet someone will help point that out to you for free. or better yet if you are willing to pay money for coaching at all why not go try gosucoaching? its hella cheaper then the camp atleast for the same exact thing. you will be paying for the exact same thing but for a cheaper price. the only difference with the camp is that it will be in person. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:47 Ballistixz wrote: i never said it was easy. being good at anything is never easy, you have to work up to it. but the thing is you are paying 250$ for someone to tell you "build your pool you hatch at 14 build your pool at 13" "macro more dont let your macro slip". yes that is VERY helpful im not denying that fact, but why pay 250$ + other hidden fees for someone to tell you that? you can learn that just by watching your replays. hell post your replays in a thread saying you need help on certain things and i bet someone will help point that out to you for free. or better yet if you are willing to pay money for coaching at all why not go try gosucoaching? its hella cheaper then the camp atleast for the same exact thing. you will be paying for the exact same thing but for a cheaper price. the only difference with the camp is that it will be in person. Right. And those sports camps and music camps do so much more than just "here's how to place your foot when kicking" and "here's how to play this part." The difference is that it will be in person and it will be in a more fostering environment for SC. You can't deny that it'll be easier to concentrate on just playing SC when you're at SC camp than when you're sitting at home with piles of homework next to you or a television playing reruns. Also having someone help you in person is much MUCH better than over the internet. Have you ever had anyone try to teach you how to play music or play a sport via AIM? I doubt it and if you have, it can' have been as successful as face-to-face, in-person coaching. I can draw a similar parallel to music lessons or simple recreational or school team sports coaching and music/sports camps. Why do people go to music/sports camps when mere lessons or recreation/school coaching is much cheaper or even free? For the reasons I stated above. A SC camp will (if this is run right and I'm willing to give benefit of doubt) focus on primarily SC and the environment will also encourage SC training. A music/sports camps do the exact same thing. The only difference is that music/sports camps are more socially accepted in Western culture than video games. Like I said in my first post on this thread, it may not be for everybody. I love music and have been playing the violin for over 15 years, but I would never go to a music camp because it's too much for me (both money-wise and just the idea of playing music 24/7 for a week...ugh). Same with this. I love SC but I'm just not dedicated enough to want to do this. But I see no reason why this camp is a bad idea (unless it's run badly) outside of the fact that it's just not as culturally acceptable as sports and music camps. | ||
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Kizu
United States81 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On May 12 2010 05:02 Kizu wrote: how do you name yourselves to be the best of sc2 players given the game is still in beta stage and there will be many changes and balances coming out in the future. and 250$ for what?? build orders and food? because everything else about the game is achieved though experience practice, not just some "gosu" gamer telling you what to do. *facepalm*.... seriously what is going on in this thread? | ||
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