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On May 12 2010 02:45 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 02:38 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On May 12 2010 02:15 billyX333 wrote:On May 12 2010 02:10 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On May 12 2010 02:09 billyX333 wrote:
if anybody actually got good through this 'training camp'
their name would permanently live in the wall of shame
no body would give them any respect, and people would constantly refer to it as a joke
no good gamer with any dignity would do this Wow can you tell me the winning lottery numbers for the upcoming week while ur at it? Seriously please tell me what kind of expert you are in this industry and how you KNOW this info in your 100 posts? lol what? i think its absolutely hilarious that you'd bring my POST count into this because i don't care to offer my opinion frequently as you clearly makes me less informed on the community since post count reflects time spent in the community and posts read as well, am i right? what kind of expert am i in this "industry?" you mean this non-existent industry of gamer coaching? im still giggling uncontrollably ...my post count has been brought into this Check out Rule #6.Yes, post count does mean something around here. it means actually a hell of a lot. And the industry is E-Sports. Google it ...and you're a forum veteran? and gamer coaching =/= e-sports thats like analogizing dick's sporting goods with the NBA only sporting goods actually is an industry, unlike gamer coaching
More so than you are.
Does anyone ever read the TL forum rules anymore? It doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter if you think post count has no correlation to the topic at hand. It matters to TL. If you don't like it, gtfo.
I personally think this training camp is a bit much for me, but it's a good idea. There have been tons of other video game camps that ask for prices much more exorbitant than $250. It's perfectly reasonable considering food and lodging is being included.
And how is gamer coaching not an industry? The pro teams in Korea have COACHES. Yes, that's right gamer coaches. Just because it's not big here in the US doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Fucking ignorant.
Yea, this camp probably won't help you go pro, but how many people who have gone to 3-4 day soccer and basketball camps went pro themselves? It's simply supposed to be a fun, enlightening experience. If it's too expensive or just too much for you then fine. State your opinion and move on. No need to stay in this thread to flame and troll.
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On May 11 2010 21:18 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 21:01 Ballistixz wrote:On May 11 2010 20:30 7mk wrote:On May 11 2010 10:58 GreggSauce wrote:
1. only lower level players will benefit from this right now, but lower level players need babysitting, which can EASILY be done through streaming of some sort, human interaction isn't necessary, just a streaming with a mic.
2. i'm not that great of a player, before I started goofing off I was just shy of the top 100 US rankings and judging from their recent performance theres absolutely nothing I could learn from them. Which is the case for probably all "real platinum" players. by real I mean players that understand the concepts in SC2 and don't just do a few unit combo's for each matchup and scream imba whenever it doesn't work.
With this, the sweet spot will probably be silver/gold players with good mechanics but poor strategies/timings, this would probably be mostly strong CoH/DoW II players where timing windows don't really exist.
and to your first comment about "being trained by the best"
What if you were a college basketball player looking to improve yourself in order to reach the pros would you pay good money to train with another college team, or would you pay money to be trained by the pro's?
the same logic can be used on everything you said. in the end my initial argument was that this is poorly timed considering the level of play they've recently shown, which isn't up to par yet. 1. I watch streams, I watch them quite a lot, nony,lz, psyonic, attero, goatrope, pimpmoo, ryan, sen, artosis... What this means is that I get a basic understanding of what builds are good etc., then I can go and try to copy that, but it's not close to someone playing with you and pointing out every single mistake you've made. Also the understanding you get by watching that is, like I said, only very basic and a lot of the time you wont even understand why they go for the things they go for, unless they commentate a lot, which out of all those players only ryan and sometimes pimpmoo does. 2. Yeah I'd pay to be trained by the pro's, and I do think that being one of the best 25 players in the country can be considered pro (if you dont think they are then you're just delusional). What I would not do is to refuse to be trained by anyone who is not THE best coach in the world. watch and view your own replays. you should be able to learn what you did wrong just by simply viewing the game u played. Please, I've played on iccup before, I'm a platinum player and recently went on a 12 game win streak, I'm not a hardcore noob, of course I watch my replays. And when people do that then sure they will find mistakes they should have done differently, but there will a) be things you might not spot b) things you will not be aware of that they are wrong to do, because you dont have the extensive knowledge that these guys have. Like in my practice session with incontrol he pointed out that in one of the games we played, it was a huge mistake to build an immortal instead of going for colossi even faster. I wouldn't even have thought about that if he hadn't pointed that out. That's just one example of many.
so your going to pay 250$ + other hidden fees (like food/plane ticket price/gas price/etc) for someone to point this out to u even tho u could have found it out with enough practice of testing your builds?
ever heard of the saying called "practice makes perfect"? but that is you, im not going to tell u or anyone else how to spend there money. but it really is a waste if you consider all the useful things you can buy with that 250$. especially since even if u do go to this training camp and become good its not going to reward you in return. once the money u spend is gone its gone. not like your going to compete in any tourneys and win thousands of dollars because u went to a 3 day training camp lol.
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On May 11 2010 23:17 Newguy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 23:07 RoosterSamurai wrote:On May 11 2010 22:55 phamou wrote:On May 11 2010 22:34 RoosterSamurai wrote:On May 11 2010 22:33 Tinithor wrote:
You could learn equal or more by watching Day9 Well...No. There is no substitution for practice, but I think for six hundred dollars, I would rather just stay at home (continue going to work) And keep hiring gosu coaches to help me once in a while. How much is gosucoaching compared to the camp? Good idea, I think it could benefit everyone that wants to be good at a game. Each person its hobby, and I do believe since Starcraft 2 will probably be the best game for the next 10 years (just like starcraft), 250$ at the beginning of the release will allow the participants to be good and enjoy starcraft even more. Its a good investment (10 years of being good, owning people online and feel more confident for 250$). It also gives you experience of a daily pro gamer, how he lives, etc, allows you to travel to a new place. Basically its just like going to a trip to Vegas or anywhere else. stop bashing, the idea is cool and original. Like it, sign up dont like it, dont sign up The difference between the camp and gosucoaching.com is that when you hire a coach, it's strictly 1 on 1, not 3-4 on 8. Anyway, I'm not bashing the camp, I like the idea, i'm just not going to travel out to arizona and spend like 600 dollars on this. An hour with a pro coach averages about $20 on gosucoaching.com, not including the computer, active internet connection, etc. The camp costs $250 + plane ticket (for sake of ease, let's say that costs $100 for a person anywhere in the lower 48.) + food expenses (Let's say they buy you dinner on your last day, leaving you to buy food the other days.) +$50. Plus most normal people are going to have to take off time from work to do this, and that cost can vary. I think it would be a lot of fun, but it's really not as convenient for the 18+ gamer... And anyone under 18 would never be allowed to do this anyway. Maybe after sc2 comes out if I'm practicing for tourneys or something I might use their gosucoaching site, $20 an hour isn't bad, lessons on musical instruments cost about the same.
I don't know where you live, but 20$ an hour for musical instrument lessons is a HUGE steal where I live. Average is 50-60$ here :o or even more
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On May 12 2010 03:46 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 23:17 Newguy wrote:On May 11 2010 23:07 RoosterSamurai wrote:On May 11 2010 22:55 phamou wrote:On May 11 2010 22:34 RoosterSamurai wrote:On May 11 2010 22:33 Tinithor wrote:
You could learn equal or more by watching Day9 Well...No. There is no substitution for practice, but I think for six hundred dollars, I would rather just stay at home (continue going to work) And keep hiring gosu coaches to help me once in a while. How much is gosucoaching compared to the camp? Good idea, I think it could benefit everyone that wants to be good at a game. Each person its hobby, and I do believe since Starcraft 2 will probably be the best game for the next 10 years (just like starcraft), 250$ at the beginning of the release will allow the participants to be good and enjoy starcraft even more. Its a good investment (10 years of being good, owning people online and feel more confident for 250$). It also gives you experience of a daily pro gamer, how he lives, etc, allows you to travel to a new place. Basically its just like going to a trip to Vegas or anywhere else. stop bashing, the idea is cool and original. Like it, sign up dont like it, dont sign up The difference between the camp and gosucoaching.com is that when you hire a coach, it's strictly 1 on 1, not 3-4 on 8. Anyway, I'm not bashing the camp, I like the idea, i'm just not going to travel out to arizona and spend like 600 dollars on this. An hour with a pro coach averages about $20 on gosucoaching.com, not including the computer, active internet connection, etc. The camp costs $250 + plane ticket (for sake of ease, let's say that costs $100 for a person anywhere in the lower 48.) + food expenses (Let's say they buy you dinner on your last day, leaving you to buy food the other days.) +$50. Plus most normal people are going to have to take off time from work to do this, and that cost can vary. I think it would be a lot of fun, but it's really not as convenient for the 18+ gamer... And anyone under 18 would never be allowed to do this anyway. Maybe after sc2 comes out if I'm practicing for tourneys or something I might use their gosucoaching site, $20 an hour isn't bad, lessons on musical instruments cost about the same. I don't know where you live, but 20$ an hour for musical instrument lessons is a HUGE steal where I live. Average is 50-60$ here :o or even more
Dude...where do you get lessons? I want $20 an hour lessons. :[
In the past mine were all like $60+ an hour.
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On May 12 2010 03:46 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't know where you live, but 20$ an hour for musical instrument lessons is a HUGE steal where I live. Average is 50-60$ here :o or even more
Thats what I was thinking, private lessons for activities are usually 50+/hour.
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I tutor high school and college mathematics at $70/hour; the price these guys are charging is an amazing offer. I'd take it in a heartbeart if I weren't busy with graduate school!
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On May 12 2010 03:38 Lz wrote:
Stop the hate... If this kinda thing is not for you.. then thats fine.. Leave it at that~ tbh no one cares what surferboi87 thinks.. Blizzard employee's have supported this and so has TL~ like im sure everyone has seen.. this kinda thing is not for everyone but if you guys really going to cry over 250$? You guys should go troll MLG Halo team who makes 2k A PERSON.. YES A PERSON.
On May 12 2010 03:44 Ryuu314 wrote:
More so than you are.
Does anyone ever read the TL forum rules anymore? It doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter if you think post count has no correlation to the topic at hand. It matters to TL. If you don't like it, gtfo.
I personally think this training camp is a bit much for me, but it's a good idea. There have been tons of other video game camps that ask for prices much more exorbitant than $250. It's perfectly reasonable considering food and lodging is being included.
And how is gamer coaching not an industry? The pro teams in Korea have COACHES. Yes, that's right gamer coaches. Just because it's not big here in the US doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Fucking ignorant.
Yea, this camp probably won't help you go pro, but how many people who have gone to 3-4 day soccer and basketball camps went pro themselves? It's simply supposed to be a fun, enlightening experience. If it's too expensive or just too much for you then fine. State your opinion and move on. No need to stay in this thread to flame and troll.
Quoted both these for truth. The EG members are well known and DAMN good players. Maybe this is for you, maybe it's not. But stop with the flaming and trolling, that's not what TL is about...
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On May 12 2010 03:52 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 03:38 Lz wrote:
Stop the hate... If this kinda thing is not for you.. then thats fine.. Leave it at that~ tbh no one cares what surferboi87 thinks.. Blizzard employee's have supported this and so has TL~ like im sure everyone has seen.. this kinda thing is not for everyone but if you guys really going to cry over 250$? You guys should go troll MLG Halo team who makes 2k A PERSON.. YES A PERSON. Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 03:44 Ryuu314 wrote:
More so than you are.
Does anyone ever read the TL forum rules anymore? It doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter if you think post count has no correlation to the topic at hand. It matters to TL. If you don't like it, gtfo.
I personally think this training camp is a bit much for me, but it's a good idea. There have been tons of other video game camps that ask for prices much more exorbitant than $250. It's perfectly reasonable considering food and lodging is being included.
And how is gamer coaching not an industry? The pro teams in Korea have COACHES. Yes, that's right gamer coaches. Just because it's not big here in the US doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Fucking ignorant.
Yea, this camp probably won't help you go pro, but how many people who have gone to 3-4 day soccer and basketball camps went pro themselves? It's simply supposed to be a fun, enlightening experience. If it's too expensive or just too much for you then fine. State your opinion and move on. No need to stay in this thread to flame and troll. Quoted both these for truth. The EG members are well known and DAMN good players. Maybe this is for you, maybe it's not. But stop with the flaming and trolling, that's not what TL is about...
This.
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Ugh if i didnt have my finals that week i would so take off those 3/4 days to do this!
These guys r really awesome, saw em in person during WCG 2009 finals.
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its about post count amirite?
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This is pretty awesome and I would totally do it if I could afford going to AZ and paying the (very inexpensive) $250.
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On May 12 2010 03:44 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 02:45 billyX333 wrote:On May 12 2010 02:38 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On May 12 2010 02:15 billyX333 wrote:On May 12 2010 02:10 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On May 12 2010 02:09 billyX333 wrote:
if anybody actually got good through this 'training camp'
their name would permanently live in the wall of shame
no body would give them any respect, and people would constantly refer to it as a joke
no good gamer with any dignity would do this Wow can you tell me the winning lottery numbers for the upcoming week while ur at it? Seriously please tell me what kind of expert you are in this industry and how you KNOW this info in your 100 posts? lol what? i think its absolutely hilarious that you'd bring my POST count into this because i don't care to offer my opinion frequently as you clearly makes me less informed on the community since post count reflects time spent in the community and posts read as well, am i right? what kind of expert am i in this "industry?" you mean this non-existent industry of gamer coaching? im still giggling uncontrollably ...my post count has been brought into this Check out Rule #6.Yes, post count does mean something around here. it means actually a hell of a lot. And the industry is E-Sports. Google it ...and you're a forum veteran? and gamer coaching =/= e-sports thats like analogizing dick's sporting goods with the NBA only sporting goods actually is an industry, unlike gamer coaching More so than you are. Does anyone ever read the TL forum rules anymore? It doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter if you think post count has no correlation to the topic at hand. It matters to TL. If you don't like it, gtfo.
lol i'm not going to roll over for everybody with a higher post count than me
respecting forum veterans =/= respecting every single guy with more posts
i know who i'd consider veterans, and its neither you nor that other guy
and i dont think about who is "more of a veteran than another guy, therefor the lesser veteran should bow down"
... you either are, or you arent
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On May 12 2010 03:38 Lz wrote:
Stop the hate... If this kinda thing is not for you.. then thats fine.. Leave it at that~ tbh no one cares what surferboi87 thinks.. Blizzard employee's have supported this and so has TL~ like im sure everyone has seen.. this kinda thing is not for everyone but if you guys really going to cry over 250$? You guys should go troll MLG Halo team who makes 2k A PERSON.. YES A PERSON.
Fair enough.
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On May 12 2010 04:01 billyX333 wrote:
lol i'm not going to roll over for everybody with a higher post count than me
respecting forum veterans =/= respecting every single guy with more posts
i know who i'd consider veterans, and its neither you nor that other guy
and i dont think about who is "more of a veteran than another guy, therefor the lesser veteran should bow down"
... you either are, or you arent
I'd go and list the things I have done for the SC community but I don't have that much time.....
Seriously go back to gg.net
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On May 12 2010 04:01 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2010 03:44 Ryuu314 wrote:On May 12 2010 02:45 billyX333 wrote:On May 12 2010 02:38 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On May 12 2010 02:15 billyX333 wrote:On May 12 2010 02:10 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On May 12 2010 02:09 billyX333 wrote:
if anybody actually got good through this 'training camp'
their name would permanently live in the wall of shame
no body would give them any respect, and people would constantly refer to it as a joke
no good gamer with any dignity would do this Wow can you tell me the winning lottery numbers for the upcoming week while ur at it? Seriously please tell me what kind of expert you are in this industry and how you KNOW this info in your 100 posts? lol what? i think its absolutely hilarious that you'd bring my POST count into this because i don't care to offer my opinion frequently as you clearly makes me less informed on the community since post count reflects time spent in the community and posts read as well, am i right? what kind of expert am i in this "industry?" you mean this non-existent industry of gamer coaching? im still giggling uncontrollably ...my post count has been brought into this Check out Rule #6.Yes, post count does mean something around here. it means actually a hell of a lot. And the industry is E-Sports. Google it ...and you're a forum veteran? and gamer coaching =/= e-sports thats like analogizing dick's sporting goods with the NBA only sporting goods actually is an industry, unlike gamer coaching More so than you are. Does anyone ever read the TL forum rules anymore? It doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter if you think post count has no correlation to the topic at hand. It matters to TL. If you don't like it, gtfo. lol i'm not going to roll over for everybody with a higher post count than me respecting forum veterans =/= respecting every single guy with more posts i know who i'd consider veterans, and its neither you nor that other guy and i dont think about who is "more of a veteran than another guy, therefor the lesser veteran should bow down" ... you either are, or you arent
not to mention TL has very little impact on the esports community outside of 1 very small aspect of it.
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For those of you who don't like the idea, there's no need to spend your day convincing others who DO like they idea that they're wrong, or that we (we as in gocucoaching.com) are wrong.
The simple fact is: gaming is a hobby like anything else. People pay money for music lessons, golf lessons, personal trainers, and items in world of warcraft or lineage, and so on. Maybe you're not one of those people. Maybe you think everything in the universe should be freely given or that people should always pursue a free option to a paid solution. That's fine. But do everyone else a favor and keep your negativity to yourself. Whether you troll the thread or not, the camp will happen 
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On May 12 2010 03:46 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 23:17 Newguy wrote:On May 11 2010 23:07 RoosterSamurai wrote:On May 11 2010 22:55 phamou wrote:On May 11 2010 22:34 RoosterSamurai wrote:On May 11 2010 22:33 Tinithor wrote:
You could learn equal or more by watching Day9 Well...No. There is no substitution for practice, but I think for six hundred dollars, I would rather just stay at home (continue going to work) And keep hiring gosu coaches to help me once in a while. How much is gosucoaching compared to the camp? Good idea, I think it could benefit everyone that wants to be good at a game. Each person its hobby, and I do believe since Starcraft 2 will probably be the best game for the next 10 years (just like starcraft), 250$ at the beginning of the release will allow the participants to be good and enjoy starcraft even more. Its a good investment (10 years of being good, owning people online and feel more confident for 250$). It also gives you experience of a daily pro gamer, how he lives, etc, allows you to travel to a new place. Basically its just like going to a trip to Vegas or anywhere else. stop bashing, the idea is cool and original. Like it, sign up dont like it, dont sign up The difference between the camp and gosucoaching.com is that when you hire a coach, it's strictly 1 on 1, not 3-4 on 8. Anyway, I'm not bashing the camp, I like the idea, i'm just not going to travel out to arizona and spend like 600 dollars on this. An hour with a pro coach averages about $20 on gosucoaching.com, not including the computer, active internet connection, etc. The camp costs $250 + plane ticket (for sake of ease, let's say that costs $100 for a person anywhere in the lower 48.) + food expenses (Let's say they buy you dinner on your last day, leaving you to buy food the other days.) +$50. Plus most normal people are going to have to take off time from work to do this, and that cost can vary. I think it would be a lot of fun, but it's really not as convenient for the 18+ gamer... And anyone under 18 would never be allowed to do this anyway. Maybe after sc2 comes out if I'm practicing for tourneys or something I might use their gosucoaching site, $20 an hour isn't bad, lessons on musical instruments cost about the same. I don't know where you live, but 20$ an hour for musical instrument lessons is a HUGE steal where I live. Average is 50-60$ here :o or even more
Exactly. The lessons on an hourly basis are already extremely cheap. I've been told by literally dozens of people they would pay more. But we like to keep it priced where it's extremely affordable and at the same time, worth our time and effort. So we're not gouging anyone. The camp is sick cheap. I used to go to summer tennis camps for 4 days that cost $1000 a pop and only included 4 hours per day of actual instructor led education.
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I agree with louder.
I would have just made a poster graphic with all the info and contact information, then just closed comments for the thread.
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im still so very amazed at people trying to compare coaching to a video game compared to tutoring for being a math major or a professional football/basketball player. its just unbelievable how gullible and stupid people are.
you can make millions being a pro football player during there career and having a math tutor opens so many doors for you to have a successful life. musical tutors is the same, lots of money to be made in the music industry. stop trying to compare it because it is not the same...
the chances of you making any money at all playing starcraft is insanely low.
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i hope you guys pick some dedicated applicants, half the people prob will just wanna fuck around lol
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