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I don't know about the most users being Terran, than Protoss, than Zerg. I face Terran like 20% of the time and zerg and toss the other 80% split. Maybe there are more terrans in the lower leagues, since noobs seem to like terran?
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great interview
so david kim resurfaces! ^^
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On April 26 2010 02:29 Pape wrote:
I don't know about the most users being Terran, than Protoss, than Zerg. I face Terran like 20% of the time and zerg and toss the other 80% split. Maybe there are more terrans in the lower leagues, since noobs seem to like terran?
Well I assumed this takes into account the US, EU, and Korean Servers... So if you are on US and there are more Z and P than T, on EU there might be more T than Z and P...
As well, the split might be something like 35% T, 33% P, 32% Z not a huge difference, but one none the less.
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On April 25 2010 16:46 Jyvblamo wrote:
I got kind of an aggressive vibe from those questions. Maybe it's the translation, but it seems like the interviewer was ticked off hehe.
exactly what I thought, lol.
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Nice thanks, interesting read 
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On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers. You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate. Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say. That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable.
Terrans haven't really been buffed in regards to Protoss since that interview, if i recall correctly. Marauders LOST concussive shells as base, and all Protoss took was a hit to immortal build time and a slight reworking of Warp Rays.
So I really doubt that much has changed, champ, and DK's interview proves this. Let's relax with the passive-aggressiveness, please.
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On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers. You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate. Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say. That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable.
It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds.
There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10.
Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago.
Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said
really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....
To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon.
People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%).
It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8.
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The point of beta is to gather data.
I found this the most important part of the whole interview. In the midst of legions of beta-testers writing lengthy analyses about which unit needs a nerf and why it's good to read that Blizzard is very down to earth about what the beta is really all about. Collecting lots and lots of data on the game, data which is certain to be of tremendous value in finalized game.
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Lengthy analysis is data.
Thanks for the translation/link! Interesting read.
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On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers. You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate. Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say. That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable. It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds. There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10. Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago. Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon. People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%). It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8.
"To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""
Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: "It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).
Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say.
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On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers. You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate. Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say. That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable. It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds. There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10. Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago. Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon. People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%). It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8. "To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: " It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though). Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say.
Since everything I say is lies, why don't you demonstrate with clear evidence why Protoss vs. Terran is Terran favored as of patch 10?
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On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers. You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate. Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say. That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable. It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds. There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10. Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago. Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon. People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%). It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8. "To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: " It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though). Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say.
Yea. The "55% win rate" may not exactly true any more now. But it is true that David Kim said that "It's hard to balance Terran and Protoss. It's hard for a Terran to beat a Protoss, and we still can't fix that. That's the matchup we're focusing on right now. There will be a patch soon once we decide on a direction to balance that matchup." on the April 20's interview which is just a few days before patch 9.
And in the patch 9, they reduced the cost of Shell, and increased the production time of Immortal. I think that's one of their first trials to fix the unbalance problem on PvsT. So Blizzard will see how the result would turn out. In my personal opinion, I am not sure if that change in Patch9 is going to fix those huge 55% winning rate(oh yea. I should've said maybe less than 55% for now, but still protoss is favored on PvsT based on what David said on April 20) difference on PvsT. Maybe it would work. Nobody knows yet. We just need to wait.
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On April 25 2010 16:52 Wings wrote:Show nested quote +Q: The balance feedback is probably different for Korea and for USA, are you taking the Korean feedback more seriously as a Korean developer? ... absolutely horrible question. I'm assuming a korean interviewer on Ygosu asked this, this question could make korean people look overly nationalistic and racist.
You don't seem to know Koreans in Korea very well 
They're probably the most ethnocentric people in Asia, next to Japan.
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On April 25 2010 16:47 genotyrant wrote:
I'm surprised that the developers are plat players, but really good to know.
You're surprised that people who have been immersed in the game for the past few years are platinum?
I'm actually surprised that there are any developers who are NOT platinum.
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On April 26 2010 06:34 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers. You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate. Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say. That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable. It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds. There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10. Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago. Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon. People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%). It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8. "To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: " It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though). Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say. Since everything I say is lies, why don't you demonstrate with clear evidence why Protoss vs. Terran is Terran favored as of patch 10?
I have no idea if PvT is P or T favored since the latest patch. Likely neither do you.
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On April 26 2010 07:00 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 06:34 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers. You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate. Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say. That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable. It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds. There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10. Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago. Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon. People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%). It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8. "To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: " It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though). Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say. Since everything I say is lies, why don't you demonstrate with clear evidence why Protoss vs. Terran is Terran favored as of patch 10? I have no idea if PvT is P favored since the latest patch. Likely neither do you.
And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).
Without a doubt, right? Prove it.
Unless you want to admit that you're contradicting yourself with "Without a doubt gives a favor to Terran" versus "I have no idea if PvT is favored."
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On April 26 2010 07:05 Kyo Yuy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 07:00 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 06:34 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers. You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate. Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say. That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable. It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds. There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10. Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago. Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon. People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%). It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8. "To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: " It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though). Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say. Since everything I say is lies, why don't you demonstrate with clear evidence why Protoss vs. Terran is Terran favored as of patch 10? I have no idea if PvT is P favored since the latest patch. Likely neither do you. Show nested quote +And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though). Without a doubt, right? Prove it.
Huh? Did you even read the patch notes?
The thing that happened in them was that Marauders were buffed and Immortals were nerfed. That gives an advantage to Terran compared to before, the question is just how much.
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thanks for translating this, man!
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On April 26 2010 07:08 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 07:05 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 07:00 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 06:34 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:
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It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers. You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate. Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say. That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable. It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds. There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10. Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago. Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor.... To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon. People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%). It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8. "To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: " It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though). Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say. Since everything I say is lies, why don't you demonstrate with clear evidence why Protoss vs. Terran is Terran favored as of patch 10? I have no idea if PvT is P favored since the latest patch. Likely neither do you. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though). Without a doubt, right? Prove it. Huh? Did you even read the patch notes? The thing that happened in them was that Marauders were buffed and Immortals were nerfed. That gives an advantage to Terran compared to before, the question is just how much.
Prove it. How does it give an advantage to Terran?
How does altering build times and research costs give Terran an advantage? You seem to be confident that Terran will gain something out of it.
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