• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:00
CEST 16:00
KST 23:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy18ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage3Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2)
Tourneys
GSL CK - monthly team event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea Pros React To: JaeDong vs Queen
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group F Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro24 Group E
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Loot Boxes—Emotions, And Why…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Electronics
mantequilla
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1293 users

Korean Interviews of David Kim - Page 5

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Pape
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Serbia419 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 17:30:04
April 25 2010 17:29 GMT
#81
I don't know about the most users being Terran, than Protoss, than Zerg. I face Terran like 20% of the time and zerg and toss the other 80% split. Maybe there are more terrans in the lower leagues, since noobs seem to like terran?
good luck have fun!
s2pid_loser
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
April 25 2010 17:31 GMT
#82
great interview

so david kim resurfaces! ^^
Et Ducit Mundum Per Luce
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
April 25 2010 17:38 GMT
#83
On April 26 2010 02:29 Pape wrote:
I don't know about the most users being Terran, than Protoss, than Zerg. I face Terran like 20% of the time and zerg and toss the other 80% split. Maybe there are more terrans in the lower leagues, since noobs seem to like terran?

Well I assumed this takes into account the US, EU, and Korean Servers... So if you are on US and there are more Z and P than T, on EU there might be more T than Z and P...

As well, the split might be something like 35% T, 33% P, 32% Z not a huge difference, but one none the less.
If you want to help me out... http://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4b82744b816d3
agleed.agleed
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany110 Posts
April 25 2010 17:58 GMT
#84
On April 25 2010 16:46 Jyvblamo wrote:
I got kind of an aggressive vibe from those questions. Maybe it's the translation, but it seems like the interviewer was ticked off hehe.


exactly what I thought, lol.
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
April 25 2010 18:10 GMT
#85
Nice thanks, interesting read
really?
bhp255
Profile Joined July 2008
United States600 Posts
April 25 2010 18:20 GMT
#86
very interesting
Following Okazaki's steps to becoming a Fuuko Master
TheTuna
Profile Joined August 2009
United States286 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 18:33:02
April 25 2010 18:31 GMT
#87
On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....

It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.
You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072

Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate.


Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say.

That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable.


Terrans haven't really been buffed in regards to Protoss since that interview, if i recall correctly. Marauders LOST concussive shells as base, and all Protoss took was a hit to immortal build time and a slight reworking of Warp Rays.

So I really doubt that much has changed, champ, and DK's interview proves this. Let's relax with the passive-aggressiveness, please.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 18:37:58
April 25 2010 18:35 GMT
#88
On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....

It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.
You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072

Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate.


Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say.

That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable.

It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds.

There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10.

Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago.

Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said

really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....


To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon.

People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%).

It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
Vargavaka
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden111 Posts
April 25 2010 18:39 GMT
#89
The point of beta is to gather data.


I found this the most important part of the whole interview. In the midst of legions of beta-testers writing lengthy analyses about which unit needs a nerf and why it's good to read that Blizzard is very down to earth about what the beta is really all about. Collecting lots and lots of data on the game, data which is certain to be of tremendous value in finalized game.
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
April 25 2010 20:39 GMT
#90
Lengthy analysis is data.

Thanks for the translation/link! Interesting read.
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 20:49:37
April 25 2010 20:45 GMT
#91
On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....

It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.
You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072

Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate.


Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say.

That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable.

It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds.

There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10.

Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago.

Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said

Show nested quote +
really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....


To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon.

People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%).

It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8.

"To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""

Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: "It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).

Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 21:51:04
April 25 2010 21:34 GMT
#92
On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....

It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.
You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072

Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate.


Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say.

That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable.

It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds.

There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10.

Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago.

Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said

really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....


To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon.

People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%).

It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8.

"To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""

Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: "It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).

Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say.

Since everything I say is lies, why don't you demonstrate with clear evidence why Protoss vs. Terran is Terran favored as of patch 10?
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
key_of_life
Profile Joined April 2010
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 21:52:08
April 25 2010 21:47 GMT
#93
On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....

It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.
You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072

Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate.


Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say.

That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable.

It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds.

There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10.

Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago.

Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said

really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....


To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon.

People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%).

It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8.

"To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""

Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: "It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).

Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say.





Yea. The "55% win rate" may not exactly true any more now. But it is true that David Kim said that "It's hard to balance Terran and Protoss. It's hard for a Terran to beat a Protoss, and we still can't fix that. That's the matchup we're focusing on right now. There will be a patch soon once we decide on a direction to balance that matchup." on the April 20's interview which is just a few days before patch 9.

And in the patch 9, they reduced the cost of Shell, and increased the production time of Immortal. I think that's one of their first trials to fix the unbalance problem on PvsT. So Blizzard will see how the result would turn out. In my personal opinion, I am not sure if that change in Patch9 is going to fix those huge 55% winning rate(oh yea. I should've said maybe less than 55% for now, but still protoss is favored on PvsT based on what David said on April 20) difference on PvsT. Maybe it would work. Nobody knows yet. We just need to wait.


Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 21:51:24
April 25 2010 21:50 GMT
#94
On April 25 2010 16:52 Wings wrote:
Show nested quote +
Q: The balance feedback is probably different for Korea and for USA, are you taking the Korean feedback more seriously as a Korean developer?

... absolutely horrible question. I'm assuming a korean interviewer on Ygosu asked this, this question could make korean people look overly nationalistic and racist.


You don't seem to know Koreans in Korea very well

They're probably the most ethnocentric people in Asia, next to Japan.
Wintermute
Profile Joined March 2010
United States427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 21:59:26
April 25 2010 21:56 GMT
#95
On April 25 2010 16:47 genotyrant wrote:
I'm surprised that the developers are plat players, but really good to know.


You're surprised that people who have been immersed in the game for the past few years are platinum?

I'm actually surprised that there are any developers who are NOT platinum.

Don't let me say this, but you're no worse than me; it's crazy.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 22:06:40
April 25 2010 22:00 GMT
#96
On April 26 2010 06:34 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....

It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.
You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072

Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate.


Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say.

That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable.

It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds.

There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10.

Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago.

Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said

really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....


To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon.

People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%).

It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8.

"To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""

Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: "It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).

Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say.

Since everything I say is lies, why don't you demonstrate with clear evidence why Protoss vs. Terran is Terran favored as of patch 10?

I have no idea if PvT is P or T favored since the latest patch. Likely neither do you.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 22:09:25
April 25 2010 22:05 GMT
#97
On April 26 2010 07:00 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 06:34 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....

It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.
You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072

Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate.


Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say.

That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable.

It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds.

There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10.

Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago.

Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said

really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....


To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon.

People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%).

It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8.

"To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""

Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: "It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).

Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say.

Since everything I say is lies, why don't you demonstrate with clear evidence why Protoss vs. Terran is Terran favored as of patch 10?

I have no idea if PvT is P favored since the latest patch. Likely neither do you.


And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).


Without a doubt, right? Prove it.

Unless you want to admit that you're contradicting yourself with "Without a doubt gives a favor to Terran" versus "I have no idea if PvT is favored."
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 22:09:18
April 25 2010 22:08 GMT
#98
On April 26 2010 07:05 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 07:00 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 06:34 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:43 OHtRUe wrote:
Terran now rapes prottoss everyway. Early game you can be super aggressive again with 2 rax marauder with concussive and if you survive his initial push you win pretty much. You also can do 4 rax marine FE which is ridicolously hard to stop as toss. really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....

It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.
You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072

Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate.


Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say.

That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable.

It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds.

There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10.

Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago.

Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said

really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....


To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon.

People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%).

It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8.

"To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""

Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: "It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).

Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say.

Since everything I say is lies, why don't you demonstrate with clear evidence why Protoss vs. Terran is Terran favored as of patch 10?

I have no idea if PvT is P favored since the latest patch. Likely neither do you.


Show nested quote +
And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).


Without a doubt, right? Prove it.

Huh? Did you even read the patch notes?

The thing that happened in them was that Marauders were buffed and Immortals were nerfed. That gives an advantage to Terran compared to before, the question is just how much.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
April 25 2010 22:10 GMT
#99
thanks for translating this, man!
♞ Your soul will forever be lost in the void of a horse. ♞
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-25 22:11:43
April 25 2010 22:10 GMT
#100
On April 26 2010 07:08 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 07:05 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 07:00 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 06:34 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 05:45 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 03:35 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:30 Paladia wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:28 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On April 26 2010 00:13 Paladia wrote:
On April 25 2010 23:54 Kyo Yuy wrote:
[quote]
It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.
You call it a "fact", so please state the source of said fact.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121072

Releasing a patch that doesn't nerf protoss: Patches have different aims. Sometimes they're based on balancing race matchups, but oftentimes not. For example, the ZvZ matchup was stale because they were only making 3 units. The reasons for the patch are that statistically speaking, protoss is winning a lot. ZvT and ZvP have only 1% win-loss differential. However PvT is at around a 55% win rate.


Unless you think Blizzard HQ is an unreliable source. If that's the case then I don't know what to say.

That is from several patches ago. You claimed it was the current stats, which is entirely inaccurate. Dressing up stats from several patches ago as current is highly questionable.

It was 2 patches ago, in patch 8. All that's changed since then for Terran is the Concussive Shell cost and research time has changed to 50/50 and 60 seconds.

There were no changes for Protoss or Terran between patch 9 and patch 10.

Protoss players were complaining marauders were OP DURING patch 8. Also the statistics were released LAST WEEK (April 19). It wasn't like these results were from months or even weeks ago.

Blizzard doesn't release win statistics on a daily basis. I didn't claim anything about current stats, the poster I quoted said

really dont understand how they think TvP is in toss's favor....


To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran." If you are saying that the FEW DAYS since patch 9/10 has been out is enough for Blizzard to think that TvP is suddenly back in Terran's favor, then you're asking for too much too soon.

People who are complaining about the change in Marauder research time felt that Blizzard was unjustified and that Terran was OP. Blizzard made the change when Protoss had a 55% win rate in PvT (on April 19, when Blizzard stated the win rate was 55%).

It's way too soon to say that Terran is OP NOW, and people who are complaining that Terran was still OP in patch 8 need to realize those statistics were FROM patch 8.

"To which I said, "Blizzard had statistics that Protoss had a 55% win rate over Terran.""

Now you are even pulling off fake quotes to further your cause. Quite pointless since anyone can just check what you wrote. What you really wrote was: "It has something to do with the fact that Protoss has a 55% win rate over Terran overall on the US Servers.". Has, is present tense, and thus means currently, which is entirely inaccurate since the interview where those numbers were taken was several patches ago. And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).

Just don't dress up lies as facts to further your cause in the future, as in worst case someone may actually believe what you say.

Since everything I say is lies, why don't you demonstrate with clear evidence why Protoss vs. Terran is Terran favored as of patch 10?

I have no idea if PvT is P favored since the latest patch. Likely neither do you.


And since then Terran has been nothing but buffed while Protoss has suffered a severe nerf, which without a doubt gives a favor to Terran compared to before (how much remains to be seen though).


Without a doubt, right? Prove it.

Huh? Did you even read the patch notes?

The thing that happened in them was that Marauders were buffed and Immortals were nerfed. That gives an advantage to Terran compared to before, the question is just how much.

Prove it. How does it give an advantage to Terran?

How does altering build times and research costs give Terran an advantage? You seem to be confident that Terran will gain something out of it.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 236
Hui .149
ProTech122
trigger 93
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6238
Horang2 3303
Bisu 3274
Jaedong 2677
Shuttle 727
EffOrt 660
Aegong 426
Larva 385
Soma 376
Stork 372
[ Show more ]
Light 295
Hyuk 262
Snow 228
Mini 223
Killer 220
Soulkey 202
ggaemo 200
ZerO 178
actioN 162
Rush 148
hero 79
JYJ 59
Sharp 58
Backho 50
Hm[arnc] 46
[sc1f]eonzerg 43
Shinee 39
Movie 38
sSak 36
Terrorterran 17
zelot 17
Sacsri 16
GoRush 14
910 13
soO 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
Noble 10
Icarus 9
Dota 2
Gorgc4120
qojqva2014
Counter-Strike
fl0m1807
oskar81
Other Games
singsing2292
Liquid`RaSZi1097
B2W.Neo871
hiko730
Lowko360
crisheroes283
RotterdaM199
XcaliburYe170
XaKoH 140
QueenE75
ArmadaUGS72
Mew2King46
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 883
Other Games
BasetradeTV646
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV534
• lizZardDota243
League of Legends
• Nemesis2191
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
10h
Replay Cast
19h
Kung Fu Cup
22h
Replay Cast
1d 10h
The PondCast
1d 20h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W2
IPSL Spring 2026
Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.