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On July 22 2011 10:05 dicedicerevolution wrote:
Alex brought up a very valid point in calling forum posts and threads on TL.net (more often than not in the community news section) as journalism. It may not be journalism in name, but in terms of impact on the community itself (both the readers, posters, professional organizations and players involved), it is indistinguishable from actual journalism. There is actual money involved, and to say that the future of eSports is at stake isn't an understatement considering how all of this is still being "figured out" and how the ramifications can be so grave if "shit isn't sorted out."

While Milkis also makes a very valid point of "this is sort of responsibility is beyond my pay-grade," there's no escaping the actual influence he has (which is exactly what Alex points out is an attribute of journalism). To make an extreme example (and I will say explicitly isn't a reference to anything imagined or otherwise), it would be possible for a TL.net poster to make a libelous claim which later becomes revealed to be false, but the damage already being done and irreversible to an extent. The recourse for the individuals being wrong in such a case of libel would have little to no recourse beyond an honor system of sorts (a public apology, etc.). Even in an instance of a less malevolent example of say, simple incompetence, the damage would still be the same and public opinion even less sympathetic to those wronged (it was an accident, they shouldn't be so mad).

It's really an unfortunate situation for all involved, but I do think that actually addressing these issues would help eSports move forward as a whole, especially since the solution inescapably involves the community. We're standing on an opportunity here, and the way to capitalize on it is to take responsibility together and become stronger for it.

Not allowed to explain himself properly plus against someone used to this kind of discussions where you say lots of words but no content. Plus personal attack was so sad.

On July 22 2011 10:03 Dystisis wrote:

Alex was arguing that anyone who posts something presented as an observation on Team Liquid is a journalist. That a private person's (who is not a journalist) tweets should be representative of both sides. That was the logical conclusion of his argument.

I'm sorry, but if you agree with that, you are not too bright.

On July 22 2011 10:06 101998 wrote:
I like how Alex sounds calm and collected and Milkis sounds emotional and borderline psychotic. Wheat is cutting Milkis off because he is going on defensive rants rather than having a conversation about the topic. Rants don't move a conversation anywhere.

Milkis can talk about how he isn't a journalist but all he is doing is showing is ignorance to how much influence he has in the community. Being the dude that translates stuff means you are in the spotlight and your opinions hold weight. If he can't understand what that means or doesn't want to take responsibility for what he says then he needs to shut the fuck up.

On July 22 2011 10:08 Dommk wrote:
Agree with Wheat. End of the day, it should be what is best for Puma, not what is best for TSL or EG. So if Puma decides this is what he wants to do then let him.

On July 22 2011 10:08 Dommk wrote:
Agree with Wheat. End of the day, it should be what is best for Puma, not what is best for TSL or EG. So if Puma decides this is what he wants to do then let him.

On July 22 2011 10:07 RoyalCheese wrote:


Thanks, my thoughts exactly, except very well worded

On July 22 2011 10:05 dicedicerevolution wrote:
Alex brought up a very valid point in calling forum posts and threads on TL.net (more often than not in the community news section) as journalism. It may not be journalism in name, but in terms of impact on the community itself (both the readers, posters, professional organizations and players involved), it is indistinguishable from actual journalism. There is actual money involved, and to say that the future of eSports is at stake isn't an understatement considering how all of this is still being "figured out" and how the ramifications can be so grave if "shit isn't sorted out."

While Milkis also makes a very valid point of "this is sort of responsibility is beyond my pay-grade," there's no escaping the actual influence he has (which is exactly what Alex points out is an attribute of journalism). To make an extreme example (and I will say explicitly isn't a reference to anything imagined or otherwise), it would be possible for a TL.net poster to make a libelous claim which later becomes revealed to be false, but the damage already being done and irreversible to an extent. The recourse for the individuals being wrong in such a case of libel would have little to no recourse beyond an honor system of sorts (a public apology, etc.). Even in an instance of a less malevolent example of say, simple incompetence, the damage would still be the same and public opinion even less sympathetic to those wronged (it was an accident, they shouldn't be so mad).

It's really an unfortunate situation for all involved, but I do think that actually addressing these issues would help eSports move forward as a whole, especially since the solution inescapably involves the community. We're standing on an opportunity here, and the way to capitalize on it is to take responsibility together and become stronger for it.

On July 22 2011 09:42 outerspace02 wrote:


you should hear him talk about promod and Alex "Drax" Mendoza