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ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
July 22 2011 01:06 GMT
#1701
lololol djwheat on a rant
www.root-gaming.com
101998
Profile Joined December 2010
United States318 Posts
July 22 2011 01:06 GMT
#1702
I like how Alex sounds calm and collected and Milkis sounds emotional and borderline psychotic. Wheat is cutting Milkis off because he is going on defensive rants rather than having a conversation about the topic. Rants don't move a conversation anywhere.

Milkis can talk about how he isn't a journalist but all he is doing is showing is ignorance to how much influence he has in the community. Being the dude that translates stuff means you are in the spotlight and your opinions hold weight. If he can't understand what that means or doesn't want to take responsibility for what he says then he needs to shut the fuck up.

User was warned for this post
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
July 22 2011 01:06 GMT
#1703
This was a lose-lose situation for Milkis.

Not allowed to explain himself properly plus against someone used to this kind of discussions where you say lots of words but no content. Plus personal attack was so sad.

He shouldn't have accepted the invitation.


However this could be a turning point so people can realise who is EG and who is Milkis/TL.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
RoyalCheese
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic745 Posts
July 22 2011 01:07 GMT
#1704
On July 22 2011 10:05 dicedicerevolution wrote:
Alex brought up a very valid point in calling forum posts and threads on TL.net (more often than not in the community news section) as journalism. It may not be journalism in name, but in terms of impact on the community itself (both the readers, posters, professional organizations and players involved), it is indistinguishable from actual journalism. There is actual money involved, and to say that the future of eSports is at stake isn't an understatement considering how all of this is still being "figured out" and how the ramifications can be so grave if "shit isn't sorted out."

While Milkis also makes a very valid point of "this is sort of responsibility is beyond my pay-grade," there's no escaping the actual influence he has (which is exactly what Alex points out is an attribute of journalism). To make an extreme example (and I will say explicitly isn't a reference to anything imagined or otherwise), it would be possible for a TL.net poster to make a libelous claim which later becomes revealed to be false, but the damage already being done and irreversible to an extent. The recourse for the individuals being wrong in such a case of libel would have little to no recourse beyond an honor system of sorts (a public apology, etc.). Even in an instance of a less malevolent example of say, simple incompetence, the damage would still be the same and public opinion even less sympathetic to those wronged (it was an accident, they shouldn't be so mad).

It's really an unfortunate situation for all involved, but I do think that actually addressing these issues would help eSports move forward as a whole, especially since the solution inescapably involves the community. We're standing on an opportunity here, and the way to capitalize on it is to take responsibility together and become stronger for it.


Thanks, my thoughts exactly, except very well worded
Kennigit: "Chill was once able to retire really young, but decided to donate his entire salary TO SUPPORT ESPORTS"
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
July 22 2011 01:07 GMT
#1705
Wheat delivering quite the speech
We talkin about PRACTICE
Zombie_Velociraptor
Profile Joined May 2011
274 Posts
July 22 2011 01:07 GMT
#1706
At the end of the day, what I don't get is, if you're so pro-foreign-scene, if you want the foreign teams to shine, why do you want them to 'shine' by buying Korean players rather than training our own?
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
July 22 2011 01:07 GMT
#1707
Milkis freaked out when AG said, why not ask us for a statement.

That's why wheat cut him off because it was uncomfortable. AG shouldn't have said it, but Milkis could have fielded it calmly and been left to say what he wants to.
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
July 22 2011 01:08 GMT
#1708
Agree with Wheat. End of the day, it should be what is best for Puma, not what is best for TSL or EG. So if Puma decides this is what he wants to do then let him.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
July 22 2011 01:08 GMT
#1709
Not allowed to explain himself properly plus against someone used to this kind of discussions where you say lots of words but no content. Plus personal attack was so sad.


Classic political / lawyer verbal diarrhea > all

It's been proven time and time again.
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
July 22 2011 01:08 GMT
#1710
On July 22 2011 10:03 Dystisis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:58 Graupe wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:52 superbabosheki wrote:
EG has a good point, and Milkis is self-admittedly ignorant to the way the international esports market works, dunno where all the hate is spewing from.



Yeah that's exactly what I feel too. I think it's a shame that this thread goes the way it does. EG didn't blame or attack anyone. EG even complimented TL so often and ppl in this thread just prove the whole opposite - stupid tl-fanboyism and one sided argumentation.

Don't get me wrong I love TL, but some ppl in this thread are mad.

Alex was arguing that anyone who posts something presented as an observation on Team Liquid is a journalist. That a private person's (who is not a journalist) tweets should be representative of both sides. That was the logical conclusion of his argument.

I'm sorry, but if you agree with that, you are not too bright.

I'm sorry if I'm not too bright but you should understand that he meant that specifically to Milkis really is more than just a "translator" as he one of the few people that constantly connect foreigner and Korea via translation. A one sided tweet that is going to be read by tens of thousands of people is not fair and I'm not saying that Milkis should cater to both sides, but you definitely took it out of context.
irishGUARD
Profile Joined March 2011
United States7 Posts
July 22 2011 01:08 GMT
#1711
I think Chills presence was vastly missed in moderating the last discussion point of the TL/journalist topic. He surely would have been able to make an excellent counter argument against Alex.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 01:11:06
July 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#1712
On July 22 2011 10:06 101998 wrote:
I like how Alex sounds calm and collected and Milkis sounds emotional and borderline psychotic. Wheat is cutting Milkis off because he is going on defensive rants rather than having a conversation about the topic. Rants don't move a conversation anywhere.

Milkis can talk about how he isn't a journalist but all he is doing is showing is ignorance to how much influence he has in the community. Being the dude that translates stuff means you are in the spotlight and your opinions hold weight. If he can't understand what that means or doesn't want to take responsibility for what he says then he needs to shut the fuck up.



are you being this dense on purpose?

ever heard the phrase, dont shoot the messenger.


On July 22 2011 10:08 Dommk wrote:
Agree with Wheat. End of the day, it should be what is best for Puma, not what is best for TSL or EG. So if Puma decides this is what he wants to do then let him.



so if theres some deal in the future that some how hurts sc2 in a big way (hurts ESPORTS) but the player in question gets a bigger salery then its ok?

really?

im not putting my flag in either side of the fence with this post but thats just a dumb argument and DJwheat should know it
laguu
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland278 Posts
July 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#1713
Wheat as a host should have noticed that milkis is not as experienced a speaker and not let Alex cut him off all the time
Arguing with a fool proves there are two.
Blitz Beat
Profile Joined May 2011
United States178 Posts
July 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#1714
The 2012 presidential debates moderated on FOX by Sarah Palin.

Palin: So Barack, I can call you that right? I hear you hate america.
Barack: No, I
Palin: Sorry but I need to interrupt here, your turn is over.

I'm actually upset by this show and what it turned out to be. EG just turned me off even more.
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
July 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#1715
On July 22 2011 10:08 Dommk wrote:
Agree with Wheat. End of the day, it should be what is best for Puma, not what is best for TSL or EG. So if Puma decides this is what he wants to do then let him.


This is pretty much what I think, a team should be a player organisation sharing sponsors and praticing together, not some over controlling machine.

^ My opinion.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
July 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#1716
Amazing recap and analysis of the situation WHEAT, really liked it.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#1717
On July 22 2011 10:07 RoyalCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 10:05 dicedicerevolution wrote:
Alex brought up a very valid point in calling forum posts and threads on TL.net (more often than not in the community news section) as journalism. It may not be journalism in name, but in terms of impact on the community itself (both the readers, posters, professional organizations and players involved), it is indistinguishable from actual journalism. There is actual money involved, and to say that the future of eSports is at stake isn't an understatement considering how all of this is still being "figured out" and how the ramifications can be so grave if "shit isn't sorted out."

While Milkis also makes a very valid point of "this is sort of responsibility is beyond my pay-grade," there's no escaping the actual influence he has (which is exactly what Alex points out is an attribute of journalism). To make an extreme example (and I will say explicitly isn't a reference to anything imagined or otherwise), it would be possible for a TL.net poster to make a libelous claim which later becomes revealed to be false, but the damage already being done and irreversible to an extent. The recourse for the individuals being wrong in such a case of libel would have little to no recourse beyond an honor system of sorts (a public apology, etc.). Even in an instance of a less malevolent example of say, simple incompetence, the damage would still be the same and public opinion even less sympathetic to those wronged (it was an accident, they shouldn't be so mad).

It's really an unfortunate situation for all involved, but I do think that actually addressing these issues would help eSports move forward as a whole, especially since the solution inescapably involves the community. We're standing on an opportunity here, and the way to capitalize on it is to take responsibility together and become stronger for it.


Thanks, my thoughts exactly, except very well worded

Yeah. Basically perfectly put.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
July 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#1718
were calling people posting on a forum journalism now?
dont make me laugh.
Brood War Remake - SC2BW - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145316
Dimiotrix
Profile Joined November 2010
United States11 Posts
July 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#1719
On July 22 2011 10:05 dicedicerevolution wrote:
Alex brought up a very valid point in calling forum posts and threads on TL.net (more often than not in the community news section) as journalism. It may not be journalism in name, but in terms of impact on the community itself (both the readers, posters, professional organizations and players involved), it is indistinguishable from actual journalism. There is actual money involved, and to say that the future of eSports is at stake isn't an understatement considering how all of this is still being "figured out" and how the ramifications can be so grave if "shit isn't sorted out."

While Milkis also makes a very valid point of "this is sort of responsibility is beyond my pay-grade," there's no escaping the actual influence he has (which is exactly what Alex points out is an attribute of journalism). To make an extreme example (and I will say explicitly isn't a reference to anything imagined or otherwise), it would be possible for a TL.net poster to make a libelous claim which later becomes revealed to be false, but the damage already being done and irreversible to an extent. The recourse for the individuals being wrong in such a case of libel would have little to no recourse beyond an honor system of sorts (a public apology, etc.). Even in an instance of a less malevolent example of say, simple incompetence, the damage would still be the same and public opinion even less sympathetic to those wronged (it was an accident, they shouldn't be so mad).

It's really an unfortunate situation for all involved, but I do think that actually addressing these issues would help eSports move forward as a whole, especially since the solution inescapably involves the community. We're standing on an opportunity here, and the way to capitalize on it is to take responsibility together and become stronger for it.



Well said. While just being a forum post it has clearly affected the industry, TSL, EG and SC2 as a whole. Most of us get our sc2 news from these forums. It's slowly becoming journalism for the scene.
PHC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States472 Posts
July 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#1720
On July 22 2011 09:42 outerspace02 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:41 PHC wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:37 MonkSEA wrote:
Anyone else think the EG person is a complete prick who derails the subject at hand?




It's unbelievable. I've never heard so much lawyer and double-speak come from a member from the community. HOLY FUCK. He says the TL community is the smartest.


We can also sniff out snakes too.


you should hear him talk about promod and Alex "Drax" Mendoza



Oh God, no thx. Dunno what/who that is. And I really don't want to know. I hope he sticks with corrupting CS and stay FARRRR away from Starcraft as possible.

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