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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
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KingGreasy
United States162 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:06 101998 wrote: I like how Alex sounds calm and collected and Milkis sounds emotional and borderline psychotic. Wheat is cutting Milkis off because he is going on defensive rants rather than having a conversation about the topic. Rants don't move a conversation anywhere. Milkis can talk about how he isn't a journalist but all he is doing is showing is ignorance to how much influence he has in the community. Being the dude that translates stuff means you are in the spotlight and your opinions hold weight. If he can't understand what that means or doesn't want to take responsibility for what he says then he needs to shut the fuck up. I agree What he translates is taken as is pretty much and that led to this controversy before both parties were able to clear up the discrepancies. The controversy seems so much smaller now than what it actually became and this probably would have been averted if people showed some restraint to let EG and TSL clear things up before going into witch hunt mode. | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:06 101998 wrote: I like how Alex sounds calm and collected and Milkis sounds emotional and borderline psychotic. Wheat is cutting Milkis off because he is going on defensive rants rather than having a conversation about the topic. Rants don't move a conversation anywhere. Milkis can talk about how he isn't a journalist but all he is doing is showing is ignorance to how much influence he has in the community. Being the dude that translates stuff means you are in the spotlight and your opinions hold weight. If he can't understand what that means or doesn't want to take responsibility for what he says then he needs to shut the fuck up. It's not him the one who should know what are his responsabilities. He knows. But it seems other do not. Posts in TL = Translation Twitts = Opinion To bash someone because of his opinions (no matter how "in the spotlight" he is) is just so BM, specially coming from someone representing a big company. Now people with influence cannot have an opinion? | ||
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1800STFU
158 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:09 Blitz Beat wrote: The 2012 presidential debates moderated on FOX by Sarah Palin. Palin: So Barack, I can call you that right? I hear you hate america. Barack: No, I Palin: Sorry but I need to interrupt here, your turn is over. I'm actually upset by this show and what it turned out to be. EG just turned me off even more. Completely agree bro. It was Alex using every speech trick in the book to talk for 10 mins in a long-winded intelligent sounding manner without really saying anything.... I guess there is a reason every bureaucrat and politician talks like this.....it works | ||
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hyptonic
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acob
United States12 Posts
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:12 hyptonic wrote: This just in, anyone who posts on TL can no longer have an opinion. Thanks EG No,no,no! That's not what we said. You can have an opinion, you just have to clear it with us and get an official release on the situation. I'm going to write them an e-mail now to make sure it's okay that I tell everyone that I like pizza and see if it's okay that I wake up for my job in the morning. | ||
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postlapsaria
United States137 Posts
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hewley
Germany1063 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
i completely disagree. milkis, at the end of the day is a forum poster with a cool pen for an icon, nothing more. he isnt paid by TL, he holds no official job with them and they dont have his social security number on file. TL is JUST A FORUM. this idea that its anything more is actually just plain bull. its a forum that is very active, shares a name with a team, and is used by a lot of teams to promote content, but its still a forum. if i choose to go onto the EG site forums, post my news about teamliquid (the team) in a well written and structured post, is any libellous claims i make EG's fault? nope. it seems that EG as an organisation expects TL (the forum), to hold itself to higher public relations standards than it does hold itself, and thats just retarded. | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:05 zeru wrote: The biased moderation by wheat made me a bit angry tbh. I know he's backed by EG and all but come on, that was a bit too much and obvious. He's backed by common sense. Puma is a free man, who was being paid nothing.... Milkes would have the "community" have a say in what Puma does. Its called communism... and in some extreme case totalitarianism. People should have individual rights, and Puma does. If Puma is not a SLAVE.... he is free to do this. Alex and Wheat have just been around and know that the "world" doesn't work like that. Free market.... welcome to 1920. Sorry if feelings get hurt, but there's no crying in SC2 or business. (also... why should EG apologize to GOM? How are they effected?) | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:14 hewley wrote: tbh I liked the show, but was very disappointed in DJ Wheat's moderation. I don't care who you are, but when one of them talks three times more and the other gets interrupted on several occasions, there is something wrong...... Milkis didn't have a ton to say besides apologize to the coach and GOM and to respect Korean coaches by going up and asking them directly if EG can take their star player. I feel sorry for Lee but he should have contracted his players and talked to them about this beforehand. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
Treating translations as journalism just because you did something and a lot of people got the info reading TL? Not gonna get far IMO | ||
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Graupe
Germany178 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:03 Dystisis wrote: Alex was arguing that anyone who posts something presented as an observation on Team Liquid is a journalist. That a private person's (who is not a journalist) tweets should be representative of both sides. That was the logical conclusion of his argument. I'm sorry, but if you agree with that, you are not too bright. With this argument itself I agree with djWheat. One could talk about this topic for like 5 hours and this is neither the place nor the time to do something alike. He still explicitly said that he doesn't want to attack anyone. But so many people react like "omg he attacked Milkis, I HAVE TO HATE HIM". That's plain stupid. I actually give a shit about this discussion but followed it because I was bored. At the end I can conclude that I really liked EG's presentation tonight. But the most striking thing about this show and the discussion of EG signing Puma is the hate of people against EG. Moreover many ppl on TL seem to simply adapt what they see as "TL's common opinion" rather than making their own thoughts about a subject. Whatever I feel like there's a trend that more and more ppl are adapting the, what I call, "TL's common opinion" instead of using their own brain. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
Soldier on Milikis and thank you so much for your translations. (Look, I'm a journalist now!) | ||
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DrunkenTemplar
Australia647 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:16 dsousa wrote: He's backed by common sense. Puma is a free man, who was being paid nothing.... Milkes would have the "community" have a say in what Puma does. Its called communism... and in some extreme case (if people like Milkes ever get into power) totalitarianism. not sure if serious...... | ||
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Kh0nsu
United Kingdom183 Posts
Milkis claims being a neutral party voids him of any responsibility, which is true, but doesn't change the fact he has slightly tarnished a companies reputation. Instead of taking Alex's approach of posters being held accountable, the companies should be responsible for controlling that information. Ask Puma and Coach Lee to confidentiality and the news would have only surfaced when the story was complete. | ||
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:16 dsousa wrote: He's backed by common sense. Puma is a free man, who was being paid nothing.... Milkes would have the "community" have a say in what Puma does. Its called communism... and in some extreme case (if people like Milkes ever get into power) totalitarianism. Alex and Wheat have just been around and know that the "world" doesn't work like that. Free market.... welcome to 1920. Sorry if feeling get hurt, but there's no crying in SC2 or business. So today, I've learned that Milkis is a closet dictator and that TL is ruining ESPORTS. The more you know~ | ||
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toastnbutter
United States62 Posts
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