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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 09 2013 03:11 Grumbels wrote: did you have to also spoil the yoda parting series in this post? The post you willingly clicked on that specificly notes that it is discussing mine use in IEM? Was it not implied that there was a pretty good risk of spoilers in the thread no matter what happened? | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
Barely saw any Protosses this tournament abusing the oracle builds/Protoss all-ins and 2 base oracle builds. There's a reason everyone is playing "Wings of Liberty" style for the most part, it's because no one is a master at using the new units yet, let alone defending them and everyone wants to play a way that they are very familiar with to give them an edge vs opponent's that may be "trying something new." If you guys start lobbying for Terran nerfs right now blindly just wait till everyone sees how the new Z/P strats will be. This is a new game, people are going to go through the learning phase as well as the metagame will go in cycles where there are some new incredibly strong builds/strats that become common place and the other races figure out how to counter them. Widow mine drops only are "effective" right now because they are completely new. Let the game develop before you all start naysaying "this is too powerful nerf it" when next week we may see that it actually was not as powerful at all or the other races figured out how to deal with it. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On March 09 2013 03:16 Plansix wrote: The post you willingly clicked on that specificly notes that it is discussing mine use in IEM? Was it not implied that there was a pretty good risk of spoilers in the thread no matter what happened? "if you don't want to get spoiled, stay away from team liquid!" -- weren't people over this childish sentiment yet? | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
So just wait for the LG IM Protoss players to show you how its done. LG IM might of course choose not to reveal counter strategies to their own plays. | ||
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ZeroReverse
Bulgaria108 Posts
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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whoopsome
Norway41 Posts
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Squiggles
Canada54 Posts
So give it a bit of time of Protoss to figure it out. It made for some crazy good games in Parting v Yoda. Constant aggression, counter-attacks, drops, etc... instead of NR15. | ||
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Squiggles
Canada54 Posts
On March 09 2013 03:45 whoopsome wrote: I have yet to see a patroling observer spottin for medivacs this tournament or maybe i have missed something? Parting in Game 4 has obs spotting, and by the end of the game, HT's littered across the map to snipe any stray medivacs. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On March 09 2013 03:45 whoopsome wrote: I have yet to see a patroling observer spottin for medivacs this tournament or maybe i have missed something? this. you have a freaking invisible unit who's sole purpose is to observe an area. or you could make one phoenix and have it fly around the edge of your base, like terrans do with vikings in tvt. omg we can't defend terran tier 3 tech with gateways units alone, better change the game before it even gets released. | ||
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MetalxStorm
United States71 Posts
On March 09 2013 03:31 Grumbels wrote: "if you don't want to get spoiled, stay away from team liquid!" -- weren't people over this childish sentiment yet? So you click on an IEM thread when you are not up to date on the tournament and then you are mad about spoilers... rethink your thought process please. As a toss watching all the games, I don't think the drop mechanic is broken, but I think that since the Terran has zero cost for using this boost ability then they have nothing to lose if they control their units properly. I think the game needs more time, but I also think that the ability to drop, do damage, and then escape without taking any damage needs to be looked at at the very least. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On March 09 2013 04:00 MetalxStorm wrote: So you click on an IEM thread when you are not up to date on the tournament and then you are mad about spoilers... rethink your thought process please. As a toss watching all the games, I don't think the drop mechanic is broken, but I think that since the Terran has zero cost for using this boost ability then they have nothing to lose if they control their units properly. I think the game needs more time, but I also think that the ability to drop, do damage, and then escape without taking any damage needs to be looked at at the very least. Don't blink stalkers also do this if defense is out of position? Go in, do damage and blink out? | ||
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Squiggles
Canada54 Posts
On March 09 2013 04:07 vthree wrote: Don't blink stalkers also do this if defense is out of position? Go in, do damage and blink out? Blink stalkers don't have the DPS of blue-flame hellions, hellbats, stimmed MM, etc. etc. (against buildings or workers), and you're limited where you can blink up. | ||
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MetalxStorm
United States71 Posts
absolutely they do, but they get stomped by more efficient units, they need high ground vision which can be denied, and they become obsolete as the game progresses through the mid and late game. In this circumstance, the Terran sacrifices nothing, gains map control, has the more efficent army against the Protoss anti air units, and still has an army that can effectively transition through mid and late game. That said I don't think it is imbalanced, I think Protoss can do a good job of defending drops, but they have to give terran an economic advantage to do so. | ||
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Squiggles
Canada54 Posts
Drop harassment all over the place is a lot more fun to watch and hard to pull off than NR15 maxed-ball fights. | ||
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ShamW0W
160 Posts
edit: Or, as the poster above me suggests, buff the other races ability to drop/harass. | ||
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On March 09 2013 03:45 whoopsome wrote: I have yet to see a patroling observer spottin for medivacs this tournament or maybe i have missed something? More or less this. The ability is fine. The Protosses are just inferior to MVP. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
Is it OP once you factor in possible oracle openers forcing really early turrets? MSC using time warp and nexus overcharge to its fullest potential? 2 base pushes involving oracles and/or VRs that outright kill any terran trying to secure a natural after the usual reaper/mine harass? I really think reaper and mine openers will soon fade out once protoss players learn how to punish them. | ||
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