• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:16
CEST 09:16
KST 16:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism0Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?103Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!46
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly SC2 INu's Battles#20 [BO.9]
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! ASL22 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group B [ASL22] Ro16 Group A [ASL22] Ro24 Group F [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV EVE Corporation [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
F* the Children and Get Off …
TrAiDoS
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8964 users

HOTS Patch notes [9/14/2012] - Page 25

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 HotS
1404 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 71 Next
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 19:27:40
September 14 2012 19:24 GMT
#481
On September 15 2012 04:19 Louis8k8 wrote:
I think the biggest "??" was the Reaper buff. I have no comments. It's just interesting that Blizzard thought of giving it such an ability.

They want the unit to be actually used. Now we need the widow mines to be fixed, because they still suck and some solid mech unit that isn't warhound.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
September 14 2012 19:25 GMT
#482
wow really impressed by Blizzard...TvT is saved and Protoss looks interesting.

For the bad: what the HELL is it with the BC and Raven nerfs??

Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
ACHward
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada23 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 19:26:00
September 14 2012 19:25 GMT
#483
I liked what they said on ITG about changing the Warhound. I think their missle anti-mechanical attack should be casted rather than autocast and nerfed slightly. If this is done the Warhound might have a place.
TLAFLiquidSheth MVPDongRaeGu EGStephanoRC
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
September 14 2012 19:25 GMT
#484
On September 15 2012 04:21 spbelky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 04:19 SolidMoose wrote:
On September 15 2012 04:18 spbelky wrote:
I'll be honest, I'm really worried about Mech in TvP now. As it stands... Carrier is the counter to Terran mech, except for when the Terran gets 3/3 updgrades and sufficient Thors to melt the interceptors/tank damage, or enough BC's to yamato the Carriers. Both Thors and BCs are Massive. I'm just worried that a Carrier + few tempest superlate game will literally be untouchable (not just unkillable, but untouchable).


There's no point to be worried because it's literally gone. No warhounds = bio TvP


Sigh.... I also worry that adding a few tempests (15range ZZZZ) will make colossus even safer from vikings than they already are. The tempest can slowly pick away at the vikings until they force the engagement, and it's not like protoss needs MORE units to force TvP engagements... they already have such a sick advantage in that lategame.

Tempest are 6(!) supply and don't kill vikings very fast. If that really happens, it's a way worse supply sink for P than for T, so your ground force will just overwhelm his.
As it is, I don't see much reason to get Tempests in normal PvT comps, it might become standard in PvP (no more war of the worlds) and in PvZ (against brood lord comps). It looks like a very, very good change imo. I could see Tempest and Carriers both finding their place.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
September 14 2012 19:26 GMT
#485
This is HUGE, Protoss was actually extremely underpowered and now it's absolutely great, especially the new Oracle spell, now PvZ is gonna be way more entertaining (srsly I was sick of the constant chain-fungal into win)
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
September 14 2012 19:26 GMT
#486
I'm using carriers in all of my PvZ's, I like that change
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
September 14 2012 19:26 GMT
#487
Dustin Browder:

We thought 1 completely terrible T3 air unit for Protoss wasn't enough, so we doubled the amount.
Now the mighty Protoss race has 2 completely terrible T3 air units!!!
clwzim
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil65 Posts
September 14 2012 19:26 GMT
#488
i still have one question: wasn't tempest suppose to do splash damage?
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
September 14 2012 19:26 GMT
#489
I'm gonna guess that half toe Terrans crying about the warhound aren't even in the beta....

...and those who are...can I have your beta key?
Behavior is a function of its consequences.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 14 2012 19:26 GMT
#490
On September 15 2012 04:24 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 04:19 SolidMoose wrote:
On September 15 2012 04:18 spbelky wrote:
I'll be honest, I'm really worried about Mech in TvP now. As it stands... Carrier is the counter to Terran mech, except for when the Terran gets 3/3 updgrades and sufficient Thors to melt the interceptors/tank damage, or enough BC's to yamato the Carriers. Both Thors and BCs are Massive. I'm just worried that a Carrier + few tempest superlate game will literally be untouchable (not just unkillable, but untouchable).


There's no point to be worried because it's literally gone. No warhounds = bio TvP


What is with this fucking whine.

It is the first of what will probably be many big balance patches, if you want to play mech in TvP make sure that Blizzard know that, and if you have a HotS account play the hell out of it and work out what, if anything, is lacking in TvP and help them tweak it till it's viable.

And this guy thinks terran suuuucks !
Its beta guys, i can't believe people are actually balance whining to the degree where they're considering dropping the game.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
September 14 2012 19:26 GMT
#491
great patch!
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6661 Posts
September 14 2012 19:26 GMT
#492
On September 15 2012 04:22 Serp87 wrote:
protoss QQ paid off and now terran cant go mech vs toss (and also making mech vs zerg weaker)
HOTS became alot less exicting for me :/

Can't go mech? Battle Hellions will still tear shit up and with widow mines easier to produce you might find them very fucking useful. At least try the changes before bashing them -.-

The warhound was a terrible fucking unit, insanely OP, A move unit that you could mass. Say what you want about the collosi if you make just Collosi you will die, if you make just warhounds you LOL your way to victory...
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
September 14 2012 19:28 GMT
#493
Looks like this is going to be a long beta... Blizzard is still throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Recoil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States276 Posts
September 14 2012 19:28 GMT
#494
On September 15 2012 04:26 clwzim wrote:
i still have one question: wasn't tempest suppose to do splash damage?


They took it away when they added Phoenix Range
Tamburlaine
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada288 Posts
September 14 2012 19:28 GMT
#495
Wait, I'm confused. Will phase shield protect from EMP damage? I know it doesn't remove it...
I like things.
Rutok
Profile Joined May 2011
9 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 19:38:08
September 14 2012 19:29 GMT
#496
Great.. now Protoss can finally go back to never building carriers by CHOICE! Well done..

Also i dont really get how everybody and their mothers cried about the warhound beeing a 1a unit.. so how much micro do you need for carriers?
Brahoono
Profile Joined September 2012
119 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 19:29:59
September 14 2012 19:29 GMT
#497
On September 15 2012 04:22 Serp87 wrote:
protoss QQ paid off and now terran cant go mech vs toss (and also making mech vs zerg weaker)
HOTS became alot less exicting for me :/


Just wait a little. Apparently Blizzard isn't as ignorant as people thought. They will buff the mine a lot throughout the beta and I'm pretty sure they will bring either the Warhound with a complete redesign or another unit to complement mechplay.


Btw it was a collective QQ...even terrans and zergs took part, because the Warhound sucked so hard.
spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
September 14 2012 19:29 GMT
#498
On September 15 2012 04:28 Hier wrote:
Looks like this is going to be a long beta... Blizzard is still throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.

I hope it's long. But I also hope it goes public soon... Or at least a lot more invites.
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
September 14 2012 19:30 GMT
#499
Poll: First impressions of the Patch

Two thumbs up (44)
 
61%

Two thumbs down (15)
 
21%

One thumb up (10)
 
14%

No thumbs (3)
 
4%

One thumb down (0)
 
0%

72 total votes

Your vote: First impressions of the Patch

(Vote): Two thumbs up
(Vote): One thumb up
(Vote): No thumbs
(Vote): One thumb down
(Vote): Two thumbs down



MMA: The true King of Wings
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 14 2012 19:30 GMT
#500
On September 15 2012 04:29 spbelky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 04:28 Hier wrote:
Looks like this is going to be a long beta... Blizzard is still throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.

I hope it's long. But I also hope it goes public soon... Or at least a lot more invites.

I'm pretty sure they said that its never going fully public, just a very widespread closed beta.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 71 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 44m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft650
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 291
soO 73
Hm[arnc] 72
Bale 45
ZergMaN 24
Yoon 8
League of Legends
JimRising 669
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss64
Other Games
ceh9510
XaKoH 337
Happy328
NeuroSwarm98
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2266
League of Legends
• Rush1147
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
2h 44m
Leta vs ggaemo
Jaedong vs Queen
GSL
3h 44m
PiGosaur Cup
16h 44m
Kung Fu Cup
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Escore
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
5 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Clem vs TBD
RSL Revival
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-02
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.