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On September 15 2012 04:18 spbelky wrote:
I'll be honest, I'm really worried about Mech in TvP now. As it stands... Carrier is the counter to Terran mech, except for when the Terran gets 3/3 updgrades and sufficient Thors to melt the interceptors/tank damage, or enough BC's to yamato the Carriers. Both Thors and BCs are Massive. I'm just worried that a Carrier + few tempest superlate game will literally be untouchable (not just unkillable, but untouchable).
There's no point to be worried because it's literally gone. No warhounds = bio TvP
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What´s the tempest cause in the game if there are carriers ?.?
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On September 15 2012 04:15 Terran5 wrote:
Brining back the Carrier is a joke. Its in the fucking game since Release and in 99,8% of all Games we don't see Carriers... Blizz should stop caring about the Whiners.
Don't whine then!
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On September 15 2012 04:19 plgElwood wrote:
What´s the tempest cause in the game if there are carriers ?.?
To shoot from 15 range and do bonus damage to massive units.
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On September 15 2012 04:16 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 04:08 Qikz wrote:On September 15 2012 04:07 MCDayC wrote:On September 15 2012 04:06 blade55555 wrote:On September 15 2012 04:03 MCDayC wrote:
LOADS of little changes in the background, BC nerf, Raven nerf, Swarmhost upgrade nerf, what else did I miss? Wait what, what nerfs did they get? Damage reverted back to 8 for BC, SeeKeR Missile reverted back to 125 energy, Swarhmost damage upgrade only increases by 1 now. I really hope they do something with the BC, even a small speedboost would help and you could use it against carriers. Then again, with Yamato at 100 energy I think that solves my issues. I have a gut feeling that maybe the patch notes are wrong. The exact wording of the BC nerf is: Show nested quote +A bug was fixed that caused battlecruiser anti-ground damage to be more than 8. But wasn't the BC damage purposely changed to 10 as a design decision? And now the patch notes claim that it's a "bug," which is quite a contradiction.
Wouldn't be the first time Blizzard claimed a change was a "bug". See Trail of Cinders in D3 lol
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
On September 15 2012 04:19 SolidMoose wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 04:18 spbelky wrote:
I'll be honest, I'm really worried about Mech in TvP now. As it stands... Carrier is the counter to Terran mech, except for when the Terran gets 3/3 updgrades and sufficient Thors to melt the interceptors/tank damage, or enough BC's to yamato the Carriers. Both Thors and BCs are Massive. I'm just worried that a Carrier + few tempest superlate game will literally be untouchable (not just unkillable, but untouchable). There's no point to be worried because it's literally gone. No warhounds = bio TvP
You don't think making mech safer vs air openings and making hellions deal better with chargelots is even remotely gonna make mech more likely?
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This patch means Terran won't really change in any of the matchups.
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Very nice design choice ... to rapidly rotate many drastic changes to find out which ones are clearly deserving to be taken out of the picture. Maybe 3 or 4 more iterations of the big stuff and then settle down into minor tweaks if all is discovered.
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On September 15 2012 04:19 plgElwood wrote:
What´s the tempest cause in the game if there are carriers ?.?
To destroy massive units such as Broodlords while being out of range of such things as Fungal, apparently.
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Terran needs at least a few new things if toss is going to get buffed so heavily, right now in WoL one of the many issues with TvP is that terran is so 2 dimensional where as toss can go colossus tech or HT or mix in DT's and terran really has no options yet they start giving toss way better units and now give them better abilities like stopping the effect of fungal. wth
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Whoa, these changes are drastic! I like it though from a first glance. I'll have to check out some streams and see how this will mix things up.
1. I think the reaper changes are very interesting but might need to be tweaked a little.
2. Glad to see they are fundamentally rethinking Protoss.
3. I'm fine with the change to my little swarm hosts, I hope they tweak them some more though. They still seem a tad bit plain.
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On September 15 2012 04:19 SolidMoose wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 04:18 spbelky wrote:
I'll be honest, I'm really worried about Mech in TvP now. As it stands... Carrier is the counter to Terran mech, except for when the Terran gets 3/3 updgrades and sufficient Thors to melt the interceptors/tank damage, or enough BC's to yamato the Carriers. Both Thors and BCs are Massive. I'm just worried that a Carrier + few tempest superlate game will literally be untouchable (not just unkillable, but untouchable). There's no point to be worried because it's literally gone. No warhounds = bio TvP
Sigh.... I also worry that adding a few tempests (15range ZZZZ) will make colossus even safer from vikings than they already are. The tempest can slowly pick away at the vikings until they force the engagement, and it's not like protoss needs MORE units to force TvP engagements... they already have such a sick advantage in that lategame.
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On September 15 2012 04:16 Corvi wrote:
how can everyone be so fuckin happy about removing the warhound?
as your casual diamond/master terran i was very much looking forward to finally having a 1a unit that doenst instantly die to aoe. it makes me angry, that people seem to be happy about blizz makes this addon a joke from a terrans point of view, with barely anything to look forward to.
If you want to 1 a, don't play terran.
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Can someone explain me how tempest could be a skill-positional unit without 22 range ?
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On September 15 2012 04:19 SolidMoose wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 04:18 spbelky wrote:
I'll be honest, I'm really worried about Mech in TvP now. As it stands... Carrier is the counter to Terran mech, except for when the Terran gets 3/3 updgrades and sufficient Thors to melt the interceptors/tank damage, or enough BC's to yamato the Carriers. Both Thors and BCs are Massive. I'm just worried that a Carrier + few tempest superlate game will literally be untouchable (not just unkillable, but untouchable). There's no point to be worried because it's literally gone. No warhounds = bio TvP
Warhounds = always mech TvP
I'm glad it's gone.
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protoss QQ paid off and now terran cant go mech vs toss (and also making mech vs zerg weaker)
HOTS became alot less exicting for me :/
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Great patch overall, I wish they had kept Tempest with 22 range though. I think the super-range concept will produce interesting uses that won't be seen for months.
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On September 15 2012 04:21 spbelky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 04:19 SolidMoose wrote:On September 15 2012 04:18 spbelky wrote:
I'll be honest, I'm really worried about Mech in TvP now. As it stands... Carrier is the counter to Terran mech, except for when the Terran gets 3/3 updgrades and sufficient Thors to melt the interceptors/tank damage, or enough BC's to yamato the Carriers. Both Thors and BCs are Massive. I'm just worried that a Carrier + few tempest superlate game will literally be untouchable (not just unkillable, but untouchable). There's no point to be worried because it's literally gone. No warhounds = bio TvP Sigh.... I also worry that adding a few tempests (15range ZZZZ) will make colossus even safer from vikings than they already are. The tempest can slowly pick away at the vikings until they force the engagement, and it's not like protoss needs MORE units to force TvP engagements... they already have such a sick advantage in that lategame.
Except PDD works on Tempest attacks, there is that.
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United Kingdom38156 Posts
On September 15 2012 04:19 SolidMoose wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 04:18 spbelky wrote:
I'll be honest, I'm really worried about Mech in TvP now. As it stands... Carrier is the counter to Terran mech, except for when the Terran gets 3/3 updgrades and sufficient Thors to melt the interceptors/tank damage, or enough BC's to yamato the Carriers. Both Thors and BCs are Massive. I'm just worried that a Carrier + few tempest superlate game will literally be untouchable (not just unkillable, but untouchable). There's no point to be worried because it's literally gone. No warhounds = bio TvP
What is with this fucking whine.
It is the first of what will probably be many big balance patches, if you want to play mech in TvP make sure that Blizzard know that, and if you have a HotS account play the hell out of it and work out what, if anything, is lacking in TvP and help them tweak it till it's viable.
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