i think the reason to have "BRUTAL" is that new players etc CANT beat it, otherwise i hope next add ons have harder "brutal" so only rly good player can beat the lvl.
the normal player should could play on "hard" so all the rly good ones have still a "mission"

Antylamon

United States1981 Posts

April 03 2011 14:56 GMT

#27

On April 01 2011 20:45 lozarian wrote:
Yeah, brutal is totally doable with just massing medic/marine every level. There's a couple of hard levels:
The odin level, becuase tychus is a moron, and the taldarim gas level, I just killed everything on that level, rather than bother with doing it "normally"

The gas level was VERY easy for me, all you have to do is build bunkers and missle turrets before you start collecting the gas (get the extra hp for bunker instead of the wimpy turret)

itzjohnny

62 Posts

April 03 2011 17:19 GMT

#28

Well, brutal is brutal in the sense that it isn't supposed to be easy for your average players. So struggling is not uncommon.

Marine and Medics do get you through most of the campaign and many are pretty straight forward. However, you do need to keep your eyes out for the few that are a bit tricky. Like someone stated before, the one where you have to guard Odin can be pretty annoying. Make good use of your cloaked wraiths and snipe key units such as the Raven, Siege tanks, Bunkers, etc.

There are also videos uploaded where players have beaten each stage in brutal. So you can go watch and see what they do to help give you a better sense of what you need to be doing to win.

Bhaalgorn

Slovenia214 Posts

April 03 2011 17:19 GMT

#29

You can do all missions on brutal and achieve every secondary objective that grants research. Most missions just have more units,higher tech units and better weapons/armor upgrades.

The only missions on brutal that were actually hard for me were In Utter Darkness and Supernova. The rest just go either MMM or your newest unit(if it's something that is used in multy-player). I found that campaign specific units were usually outclassed by the newer units.

If you're having trouble with a mission just leave it and do a different one if you can so you get some better research,units and/or upgrades.

jcarlson08

United States267 Posts

April 03 2011 21:50 GMT

#30

I beat brutal when I was still bronze.

It can get difficult but if you are familiar with the missions from a previous play through you can push through without too much trouble.

Hryul

Austria2609 Posts

April 03 2011 22:42 GMT

#31

What eases the play a lot is picking the "right" upgrades both from the tech lab and the armory. Also you should grab every research you're capable of. It makes stuff really a lot easier.

Zruku

United States35 Posts

April 04 2011 04:02 GMT

#32

An easy way to beat the last protoss level is to spam phoenixes to snipe the overseers and blocking each ramp with hold positioned dark templar.

StifSokSamurai

United States120 Posts

April 04 2011 04:35 GMT

#33

Where you are skill level in 1v1 to me seems to be a good indicator that you are of sufficient skill level to give the campaign an attempt. I do expect though you will get stuck at portions and have your fair share of difficulty. If you slow down and think about the portions that are challenging or discuss it with your friends it should be achievable.

Mahs

Netherlands171 Posts

April 04 2011 10:01 GMT

#34

It also helps to do the missions in a specific order. You can often choose out of 2-3 missions. First time I tried the gas level on Brutal it was a total pain to get done. Then half a year later when I replayed the campaign again I did the Siege Tank mission first... needless to say a couple of siege tanks at the 2 chokes allowed for the gathering of 5 gas canisters at the same time.

SvartSol

Sweden78 Posts

April 04 2011 10:45 GMT

#35

if u go brutal, u will learn the basic mechanics fast, such as always building SCV and not getting supply blocked. Try it on brutal, and remember micro is also your friend on some missions, where as you don't have an base.

I finished it on brutal first time I played it, got stuck on the final for maybe one whole day or so. (since it is not fun to repeat the same mistake over and over).

Iblis

904 Posts

April 04 2011 11:46 GMT

#36

If you have some RTS experience it really shouldn't be so hard to finish the campaign on brutal mode, you'll sometime need to try different ways to know a very good composition for the campaign.
Like getting marine stim+medic make the jungle brutal mission SO easy.

I had the perdition turret instead of the planetary fortress and I didn't have the mind control tower and finished the campaign in 2days(real not hours played), but I have to say that the science vessel make the life WAY more easy for most of the hard mission.

Really just try it you won't pass every mission on the first try but every mission is doable even without the most optimal upgrades/tech choice that makes some mission (too?) easy.

KosherKrackers

United Kingdom2 Posts

April 04 2011 12:48 GMT

#37

Brutal is rather easy to be honest, admittedly there are some part that are tough, but being as it's against an AI it's rather easy to prepare for what you're facing as it's essentially scripted.

For the level with the Odin, block it in after the first base and you can take the level at your own pace.

For supernova, spam banshees, a few vikings, marine/medic, and send your cloaked banshees off to snipe the artifact, take out pylons to drop detection, scan and vikings to drop obs, and push with your marines to split there defences. A few science vessels make it easy.

As for rank, I'm high gold or at least was before my hiatus, probably mid-silver now, so by far not the best 1v1 and rather lacking in several fields, but the campaign was simple by comparison.

The last mission gave me a little trouble, until I stopped blocking with PF and instead put up a line of bunkered marines, 4 tanks behind them, and spammed banshees to snipe Kerrigan/Nydus. Took me three tries altogether.

ihasaKAROT

Netherlands4730 Posts

April 04 2011 13:52 GMT

#38

Tip for the Odin level:

The enemy has pretty much no detection. I had 2 ghosts (or spectres) nuking the *** out of everything there, uncontested, permacloaked. Very easy to do when theres nothing to attack you apart from the waves they send.

The last level can be done by just making tanks , tanks and tanks. Upgrade them , bunch em up and snipe kerrigan with a few ghosts. Oh yeah so tanks tanks tanks and ghosts

But yeah, check out Zai's walktroughs. They are good and most of them is the exact tactic of what you should do to win.

kaztah

Norway1221 Posts

April 04 2011 16:19 GMT

#39

I've done the brutal campaign twice. First time when it was new I just siege tank+viking'd myself through everything. Insanely safe and easy, but somewhat tedious at times.

Nowadays I just build marines+medics for fun and see how fast every mission can be done. It's pretty easy with that combo, since it's so cost effective with upgrades. Don't really need all that complicated tactics of any sort on any map.