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Hello TL,
I'm not totally beginner as i am Plat 1v1 and RT/AT too but i'v got a lot of online experience on other games but as for campaigns it is my first campaign on a RTS so i think i might lack "something" to beat brutal campaign (i only won Normal campaign, that's it)
So in the end my question is : with a good "guide" or youtube videos explaining how to beat each mission, do you think it is possible for a player like me to beat brutal ? (i did the 5 first missions on my own and i'm aldready struggling lol)
i'll do whatever it takes to get the Brutal ICON :d
Thanks !
(apologises for my english)
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why use a guide when you are more than capable of doing it all on your own? :/ Some levels might be a little tricky but you'll learn to plug your pve holes along the way D:
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Brutal isn't that hard to do. Like they say "Medics and marines" can win most of the missions. If you're platinum you should be able to do it. At the time i did it i was only gold 1v1. Just some encouragement to say brutal is doable at your skill level. Good luck. Sorry don't know any good guides for campaign.
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Yeah, brutal is totally doable with just massing medic/marine every level. There's a couple of hard levels:
+ Show Spoiler +The odin level, becuase tychus is a moron, and the taldarim gas level, I just killed everything on that level, rather than bother with doing it "normally"
but I'm only gold, and not very good at that, and I managed it on brutal.
Last level tip here:
+ Show Spoiler +Go for air on the last level, get the zerg control tower thing, and it's a piece of cake.
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I would say that go for ground for the last mission. It's really much easier. Just build tanks and slow towers then go eat your dinner while the timer runs out.
To the op, it's completely doable. On of the hardest missions will be the protoss last one etc but it's managable.
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Nah, last protoss mission is easy. You know how zerg were complaining about voidray colossus awhile back?
Imagine what it would be like if you also got pre-nerf void rays! XD
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haha ok, well thanks everybody, you just gave me motivation !
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Yea I beat the last protoss mission with mass voidrays in the end 3 3 3 upgrades. So much dps on those when they fully charge up. Even got all the achievements.
With the Odin mission I completely dismissed Wraiths and massed up Banshees + Vikings and it was quite easy.
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There are several ways to do every mission honestly. I found that it's usually easiest with medic/marine a lot of the time just because the missions usually want you go quickly in general. The missions I had trouble with were The Laser Drill (but maybe that's because I didn't get enough tanks lol), The Odin Mission (ended up going Battlecruiser/Sci Vessel because I did it later than most), and All-in on ground. The last protoss mission you can do fancy things like DT walls, but I found it was much much easier and less frustrating to go voidray/colossus.
The main thing about All-in on ground is your starting positions suck so you have to pull way back.
Go for it! TL believes in you!
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with so much faith in me i can only succeed ! thanks a lot 
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The Laser mission was actually quite easy. Just target everything with the laser and in the downtime fire at the door. It takes time but your tanks can pretty much take a coffee break.
Also np ^^ ask if some mission is hard.
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In most missions you'll want to balance between a strong bioball and lots of tanks. The zerg haven mission (where you get the protoss research) can be beaten with straight up vikings, and the great train robbery is so easy if you have a ball of tanks sieging the trains.
Either air or ground on the last level is perfectly doable, just make sure you're prepared before deciding which one you're going for (whether you get hive mind emulator or the slow tower will dictate what you choose, and be sure to have full upgrades on your core units and on ALL your base structures).
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I believe Zai (on Psystarcraft's channel) did a complete walkthrough on how he beat brutal campaign. Look there if you're stuck.
Overall I think a plat player should have enough competence on his own to beat campaign, probably need to utilize a few tricks and stuff here and there though.
Protoss last level isn't that hard. I made an additional robo, upgrade, saturate workers, get nothing but colossi, mass cannons to sink minerals. Got all achievements on brutal too. If you can't get the achievement on brutal u can do it on hard. Simply beating the mission should be easy though.
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lots of save points...lots of marines...lots of bunkers...
i wouldn't use medics... they take up ground space...
the hardest mission for me was definitely the great train robbery.
that one took a lot of saves.
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i remember when walkthroughs didnt exist. you were the only capable of pass every game.
good luck ^ ^
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Check out the videos of people doing NUR Brutal (no upgrade runs) and copy their strategies. If they can do it with no upgrades, then it can surely be done with upgrades.
I'd say the hardest couple levels are:
The Odin level (tychus is dumb, and the ai target fires your repairing scvs)
The burning planet/banshee level (it's hard to take them in a straight up fight)
The last protoss level, in utter darkness (it's just hard, you need to be on top of all the entrances)
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On the last level you can take nydus and then use upgraded banshees+banshee mercs to just eliminate every nydus instantly. Build up bunkers+Tanks and you won't even lose anything other than to Kerrigan dropping by. I've done it without using the artifact at brutal.
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The guns n roses mission (harvest gas) was the hardest for me because I never understood that its bad to harvest from multiple gas at once. I figured it would be easier the faster you do it. But they hit you with so much more if you harvest more than one. Once i figured that out it was pretty easy.
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Oh and don't get discouraged your gunna die.... alot.... persistance pays.
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the AI is easily abusable. you can beat it by watching vods and just getting the hang of what to do.
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After playing at a silver/gold level during the Beta, I beat the game on brutal, it just took a lot of loading and saving.
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The campaign should be easy on brutal, I only played for a few days and it's not that hard  .
Just macro imo and it's doable.
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i think the reason to have "BRUTAL" is that new players etc CANT beat it, otherwise i hope next add ons have harder "brutal" so only rly good player can beat the lvl.
the normal player should could play on "hard" so all the rly good ones have still a "mission"
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On April 01 2011 20:45 lozarian wrote:
Yeah, brutal is totally doable with just massing medic/marine every level. There's a couple of hard levels:
The odin level, becuase tychus is a moron, and the taldarim gas level, I just killed everything on that level, rather than bother with doing it "normally"
The gas level was VERY easy for me, all you have to do is build bunkers and missle turrets before you start collecting the gas (get the extra hp for bunker instead of the wimpy turret)
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Well, brutal is brutal in the sense that it isn't supposed to be easy for your average players. So struggling is not uncommon.
Marine and Medics do get you through most of the campaign and many are pretty straight forward. However, you do need to keep your eyes out for the few that are a bit tricky. Like someone stated before, the one where you have to guard Odin can be pretty annoying. Make good use of your cloaked wraiths and snipe key units such as the Raven, Siege tanks, Bunkers, etc.
There are also videos uploaded where players have beaten each stage in brutal. So you can go watch and see what they do to help give you a better sense of what you need to be doing to win.
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You can do all missions on brutal and achieve every secondary objective that grants research. Most missions just have more units,higher tech units and better weapons/armor upgrades.
The only missions on brutal that were actually hard for me were In Utter Darkness and Supernova. The rest just go either MMM or your newest unit(if it's something that is used in multy-player). I found that campaign specific units were usually outclassed by the newer units.
If you're having trouble with a mission just leave it and do a different one if you can so you get some better research,units and/or upgrades.
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I beat brutal when I was still bronze.
It can get difficult but if you are familiar with the missions from a previous play through you can push through without too much trouble.
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What eases the play a lot is picking the "right" upgrades both from the tech lab and the armory. Also you should grab every research you're capable of. It makes stuff really a lot easier.
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An easy way to beat the last protoss level is to spam phoenixes to snipe the overseers and blocking each ramp with hold positioned dark templar.
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Where you are skill level in 1v1 to me seems to be a good indicator that you are of sufficient skill level to give the campaign an attempt. I do expect though you will get stuck at portions and have your fair share of difficulty. If you slow down and think about the portions that are challenging or discuss it with your friends it should be achievable.
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It also helps to do the missions in a specific order. You can often choose out of 2-3 missions. First time I tried the gas level on Brutal it was a total pain to get done. Then half a year later when I replayed the campaign again I did the Siege Tank mission first... needless to say a couple of siege tanks at the 2 chokes allowed for the gathering of 5 gas canisters at the same time.
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if u go brutal, u will learn the basic mechanics fast, such as always building SCV and not getting supply blocked. Try it on brutal, and remember micro is also your friend on some missions, where as you don't have an base.
I finished it on brutal first time I played it, got stuck on the final for maybe one whole day or so. (since it is not fun to repeat the same mistake over and over).
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If you have some RTS experience it really shouldn't be so hard to finish the campaign on brutal mode, you'll sometime need to try different ways to know a very good composition for the campaign.
Like getting marine stim+medic make the jungle brutal mission SO easy.
I had the perdition turret instead of the planetary fortress and I didn't have the mind control tower and finished the campaign in 2days(real not hours played), but I have to say that the science vessel make the life WAY more easy for most of the hard mission.
Really just try it you won't pass every mission on the first try but every mission is doable even without the most optimal upgrades/tech choice that makes some mission (too?) easy.
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Brutal is rather easy to be honest, admittedly there are some part that are tough, but being as it's against an AI it's rather easy to prepare for what you're facing as it's essentially scripted.
For the level with the Odin, block it in after the first base and you can take the level at your own pace.
For supernova, spam banshees, a few vikings, marine/medic, and send your cloaked banshees off to snipe the artifact, take out pylons to drop detection, scan and vikings to drop obs, and push with your marines to split there defences. A few science vessels make it easy.
As for rank, I'm high gold or at least was before my hiatus, probably mid-silver now, so by far not the best 1v1 and rather lacking in several fields, but the campaign was simple by comparison.
The last mission gave me a little trouble, until I stopped blocking with PF and instead put up a line of bunkered marines, 4 tanks behind them, and spammed banshees to snipe Kerrigan/Nydus. Took me three tries altogether.
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Tip for the Odin level:
The enemy has pretty much no detection. I had 2 ghosts (or spectres) nuking the *** out of everything there, uncontested, permacloaked. Very easy to do when theres nothing to attack you apart from the waves they send.
The last level can be done by just making tanks , tanks and tanks. Upgrade them , bunch em up and snipe kerrigan with a few ghosts. Oh yeah so tanks tanks tanks and ghosts 
But yeah, check out Zai's walktroughs. They are good and most of them is the exact tactic of what you should do to win.
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I've done the brutal campaign twice. First time when it was new I just siege tank+viking'd myself through everything. Insanely safe and easy, but somewhat tedious at times.
Nowadays I just build marines+medics for fun and see how fast every mission can be done. It's pretty easy with that combo, since it's so cost effective with upgrades. Don't really need all that complicated tactics of any sort on any map.
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I beat brutal fairly quickly with no rts experience. You should be able to too. Just try harder and check liquipedia if you must
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I beat brutal campaign before i even started laddering, and i haven't played brood war. Totally doable, just learn from your own mistakes and be ready to play a map more than once lol.
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Watch VoDs, concentrate on it one mission at a time, dont try to rush through them in one day or anything
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The whole campaign got a whole lot easier for me when I found the stim button.
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VIking/Banshee + Science Vessels.
It wins so hard.
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When I started the campaign at release I did not dare going brutal. After seeing this thread I attempted a few levels on brutal and am now surprised at how easy is actually is (at least the levels I have attempted up and till now.) Also, I am not the worlds best SC player, in fact I am much closer to the opposite of that.
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On April 01 2011 20:01 vat0s wrote:
Hello TL,
I'm not totally beginner as i am Plat 1v1 and RT/AT too but i'v got a lot of online experience on other games but as for campaigns it is my first campaign on a RTS so i think i might lack "something" to beat brutal campaign (i only won Normal campaign, that's it)
If you're platinum, you will beat the campaign on Brutal with relative ease. Just keep macroing like you would normally and you'll roflstomp most missions.
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I was able to do Brutal (I'm Bronze 1v1). For me it was pretty hard but I was able to do it by saving often during each mission.
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I beat the brutal campaign when I was in bronze. I played WC3 so I might be cheating a bit though. It took me about a month or two to complete even with a video guide.
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Broodwar offered some missions that were more difficult than anything SCII brutal throws at you in my experience. It's only hard in the fact that you're going to die from time to time and trial and error is going to be necessary if you're not following walk-throughs. In Utter Darkness was the only level that ever really tripped me up, and even it became easy once I figured things out.
There's some tricks and gimmicks dealing with individual mission mechanics and AI that become vital on hardcore and levels can become frustrating until you find them.
A little patience, macro, and generous saving should carry you through.
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just a quick question
Is it possible to get banned for copying saved games from another user and geting the icons that way?
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You won't get them that way. The game activates achievements as they happen, it doesn't backtrack to see what you've done.
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On April 02 2011 08:24 dpurple wrote:
The guns n roses mission (harvest gas) was the hardest for me because I never understood that its bad to harvest from multiple gas at once. I figured it would be easier the faster you do it. But they hit you with so much more if you harvest more than one. Once i figured that out it was pretty easy.
meh, I harvested from 4 at once on brutal, just build a bunker line!
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On April 06 2011 07:11 s3raph wrote:
VIking/Banshee + Science Vessels.
It wins so hard.
I concur. This strategy is unstoppable, assuming you can get a few of each. It's harder to do that on some levels than others, but wow.
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As stated above, M&M win most of the encounters. Also, the key phrase to 90% of the missions is "critical mass" Most of the time you can turtle up and build whatever pertinent unit you need for that missions. Once you hit critical mass, roll out and decimate everything.
Also save you game often, especially on longer missions or ones you find challenging. Being able to go back 5, 10, 15minutes helps a lot. This is especially true on the final mission.
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Last protoss level for begginers might be hard. I took me 3 tries first time i played and i was diamond back then :D.
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Planetary fortresses are OP in multiplayer, and are laughably good in the campaign.
Put a single one at chokes and some 2x repair speed SCV and nothing can pass it =/
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