EPTValerian? or Arturus? Neither of them really make sense.
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
Valerian? or Arturus? Neither of them really make sense. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
Arcturus - once smart, calculating, strategy and tactics powerhouse, who won countless battles was dumbed down to imbecile who cannot grasp what to do with all resources at his disposal. Kerrigan - determined, cold-minded, manipulative, foreseeing, retributive, vengeful, cunning, unstoppable "Queen bitch of the universe" which acted in genius and pre-meditated manner became straightforward zombie, unable to live up to the old Kerrigan glory. Zeratul - wise, but at the same time cunning, fearless baddass well was TOO scared. I mean Zeratul was most ok out of these 3, but he is lacking determination and that badass attitude he had in sc1. All in all, i really liked campaign. The story although it seems now bit straightforward is underestimated - there will be twists and turns, imo, coming up in next expansions. However, the dumbing down of these characters is what really got me. They were completely different in sc1. The continuity was lost. I mean, im ok that Kerrigan turned human again, but througout all campaign, as Queen of blades she doesnt compare to the first starcraft She was nothing more than a mindless zombie, a shadow of the old Brood War days. | ||
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Kadin
United States125 Posts
On July 29 2010 17:05 dogabutila wrote: My question is, who is tychus on the radio with at the end? Valerian? or Arturus? Neither of them really make sense. It's Arcturus. He set Tychus free so he could have a mole inside Raynor's operation. It's perfect - an old friend of Raynor's nearby with a gun held to his head (or his internal organs, in this case). Sure, Tychus might not do things like kill his friend over his own life, but killing Kerrigan would be right up Tychus' alley. And Mengsk knows that would both hurt Raynor severely and wound the zerg. If anything, Raynor might attack Tychus in a rage and cause Tychus to kill him to save his own skin, who knows. I liked the ending, even if it was cheesy =) Can't wait for the 2nd installment. | ||
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Mortis
United States217 Posts
On July 29 2010 08:52 Roffles wrote: I loved the campaign. It's been a while since I've played a single player game to be honest, but I've got to say that the single player was well worth my 12-15 hours of my time. Although, I am kinda curious as to what happens depending on the route you take during the story. For example, what happens if you choose to protect instead of purge? What happens to Dr. Hansen? And what happens to Tosh if you side with Nova? I'm kinda curious as to what happens, and if that has a major effect on the gameplay/storyline. If you protect the colony, she tries to kiss you, then gets off the ship on her new colony and you never see her again. If you side with Nova, Tosh becomes an enemy and is killed after the mission involving her, after Nova assassinates him. I don't think Tassadar is a live. I think that was more of a ghost thing, since he was at the site of where he crashed into the overmind. Also, I was fucking crushed at what happened at the end. Tychus was so good. I'm hoping Blizzard just pulled a fast-one and when the next game rolls around, he'll be there with Jim. I know the end says he died, but, we saw Tassadar crash into the overmind and look now  . I'm sincerely hoping Tychus comes back.Also, how many freaking ways are there to uninfest someone? Also, they claim that there was no cure to the infestation virus, yet, Alexi Stukov was infested and then uninfested. Couple of inconsistencies in lore. Otherwise, it was good  . | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
I think I figured it all out... So here is quite exactly what is said by Zeratul to Raynor "There is a malevolant presens in the void that seeks to destroy everything we hold dear, could this fallen one be a xel naga(also something about god somewhere)... be vary friend the haunts of the void are on the hunt" or something like that. I get back to this later. Random general thoughts after deeper thinking and research that I think makes TOTAL sense(not really), Duran is controling Mengsk or something like that. Quotes from wiki's "Duran would refer to the hybrid as the "completion of a cycle, According to the preserver Zamara, however, Samir Duran's experiments are a "perversion", and if his attempts "unify" the species become successful, it will result in "a monstrous and powerful perversion of both protoss and zerg will be set loose upon the universe, and all that [the protoss and terran] know and cherish will fall in their wake".[27] From the manner in which Duran replied to Zeratul, claiming to be many millennia old (and having had many names over these millennia) and serving "a far greater power", Duran's background became even more enigmatic. Duran, referring to the hybrid, said it was a "completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young",[1] Also in SC1 the secret mission he made hybrids using protoss power pylons. Quote Duran to Zeratul "Your violence, young prodigal, is typical. As is your inability to comprehend the greater scheme of things. You can destroy all of the specimens here. It will do you no good. For I have seeded the Hybrid on many, many worlds. You will never find them all before they awaken... And when they do... your universe will be changed... forever."" Thus he originally made the complex in the secret mission in SC2 This in turn might refer to The Voice of Darkness http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Voice_in_the_Darkness_(entity) "The Dark Voice, also known as the Voice in the Darkness is one of many names for a Void-based entity inimical to the xel'naga and their followers, the protoss. It has also called itself "The Lord of the In-Between Places", the "Living Heart of the Void", and the "One True God" (in contrast to the xel'naga, which it refers to as "false gods").[1]" (see first mention of xel'naga or god in the beginning) "It proclaimed that its evil behavior is because that's the way the galaxy made it, and despises the xel'naga for changing the natural order, and even for imprisoning rather than killing it." "It also possesses knowledge of psionic technology." As do ghosts like Duran and the solution to the problem our beloved Kerrigan. There was also a referance to god or something like that in what Zeratul said, also that thing was Xel'nagas enemy and we know that people on the terran side has been in contact with this before imprisoned "God" and that it's whereabouts are not sure, here is what duran sais to Zeratul Duran: "I've had many names throughout the millennia, young prodigal. You would know me best as Samir Duran." Kerrigan knowing duran, the prophecy and mengsk know how to get to the core of defeating it all as protoss seem to also be the first target the Hybrid thingy wanted to destroy this part I have not figured out. And so on... Well that's enough rambling for now... Edit: Found some more facts and quotes, think it is starting to make sense now to me. Am really happy about this post btw Summary: 1 "The Dark Voice" is free after the Xel'naga prison failed 2 Duran is "The Dark Voice" thanks to psionic abilities 3 Duran made the Hybrids to destroy what Xel'naga has made(Zerg, Toss) and then everything else with it. 4 This god wants to destroy everything 5 Duran manipulates Mengsk | ||
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MalMal
Canada94 Posts
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On July 28 2010 15:38 Velr wrote: Who said Kerrigan has lost her control over the Zerg? :p... Now Zergs will go picking flowers and overthrowing mensks, after that she will with Raynor and her Zerg employes on a big farm planet and life a happy live. Well... don't forget that we have almost blow up Char, which was the home planet of Zerg swarm. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
On July 29 2010 17:27 Kadin wrote: It's Arcturus. He set Tychus free so he could have a mole inside Raynor's operation. It's perfect - an old friend of Raynor's nearby with a gun held to his head (or his internal organs, in this case). Sure, Tychus might not do things like kill his friend over his own life, but killing Kerrigan would be right up Tychus' alley. And Mengsk knows that would both hurt Raynor severely and wound the zerg. If anything, Raynor might attack Tychus in a rage and cause Tychus to kill him to save his own skin, who knows. I liked the ending, even if it was cheesy =) Can't wait for the 2nd installment. If thats true, then why are people saying he isn't as crafty as old? If he has a radio or some other equipment capable of looking and recording what tychus is seeing how does he not know when they are attacking etc? | ||
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cerebralz
United States443 Posts
Although there a lot of good speculation in this thread, there really isn't any "concrete" evidence of where they are actually going with the story. We don't know if: 1)Kerrigan is good or not, and whether she controls the swarm at the end of the game 2)Whether Mengsk is really behind the hybrids, or a puppet himself, or a prisoner himself (ala Tychus) 3)What the heck is Zeratul up to, or for that matter Artanis and the rest of Raynor's toss buddies 4)How kerrigan can stop the hungerer 5)How Tassadar hasn't 'tasted death" and how is he linked to the site of his last battle? 6)How the Overmind had the vision of the future, and if it is accurate 7)Are the Zelnaga good or bad? 8)Duran will show up again (although Narud may be an incarnation) 9)What the heck did the artifacts do? and why did the zel'naga leave them all over? 10)What was kerrigan doing the whole 4 years? 11)How terrans are related to zel'naga if at all? 12)terrans have been doing experiments on the zerg/protoss from SC1 and BW, is this possibly linked to the hybrid? I feel for everyone who hated the story. I enjoyed it, but it did leave so many questions to make you mad. It seemed like they "dumbed it down" so that more people could get into it, not just the core gamers. There's still potential, but i hope since the gameplay is basically more or less worked out, they can take a good look at where they're going with the story and improve on it. | ||
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Mortis
United States217 Posts
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On July 30 2010 07:36 Mortis wrote: Yeah, I just realized Narud has the same eye brows and facial hair as Duran. Lol, read Narud backwards | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
 There was no character development at all. What was Tosh for? What was Tychus for? Why introduce a major character (that was kind of a symbol of SC II since its announcement) to just have him do nothing of note and die like an idiot? The only great part was the Protoss side missions. | ||
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Mortis
United States217 Posts
I know, I'm just saying it makes even more sense | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
On July 30 2010 07:32 cerebralz wrote: Although there a lot of good speculation in this thread, there really isn't any "concrete" evidence of where they are actually going with the story. We don't know if: 2)Whether Mengsk is really behind the hybrids, or a puppet himself, or a prisoner himself (ala Tychus) 7)Are the Zelnaga good or bad? 8)Duran will show up again (although Narud may be an incarnation) 9)What the heck did the artifacts do? and why did the zel'naga leave them all over? 12)terrans have been doing experiments on the zerg/protoss from SC1 and BW, is this possibly linked to the hybrid? These 5 points I think we already evidently can somewhat conclude. 2: Duran sais in SC1 that he has many of the places hidden where there are Hybrids he has made through terran efforts and that he is an old ancient powerful creature(Dark voice), Mengsk knows of the Hybrids and wants the scientists killed. Maybe he is lusting to control everything thus thinks the Hybrids (are a way for it and he will one day see his mistake as it will be the doom of all) and Duran is manipulating/helping him do this and possibly it was his idea. 7: They are good it seems, though the people seem to mistake them for the bad ones not the Dark Voice it seems. Xel'naga wants to live on for sure, they wouldn't want everything to grow dark and go under. 8: Surely, Narud and him makes sense since they both know about the same goal. Also Narud wanting the archives destroyed may more be of a will not wanting to give Kerrigan the information she needs to save everything. 9: They did alot =) My guess is that the same prison thingy that is used to save Kerrigan is what will be used on Duran/Narud and is why he wanted it that badly, then also get Kerrigan out of the game, maybe she has to be the Queen of Blades or such to succeed in capturing Duran/Narud/The Dark Voice 12: Terran has been doing experiments to evolve the Hybrid thanks to Duran and his knowledge, thus most possibly Duran is manipulating Mengsk as Mengsk thinks Duran is helping him, though by these means Durans real wish of letting the Universe go under is fulfilled When you get 1k wins online with each race maybe there is a treat for you as you get the portrait, good marketing before next game and it will take a LONG time to get that many games in? It really can't be much else except the question exactly how Mengsk is being played with. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
In terms of the actual story, I'd be hard-pressed to think of a time when I was ever as disappointed as this. The story was all over the place with very little direction. It was entirely too "western-like" - there was barely any of the grit and grimness of SC+BW. The script was pretty bad. The Protoss have been turned into a bunch of damn Space Elves ever since they started with the books. And worst of all, they completely ruined the characters of Mengsk and Kerrigan. Mengsk is so unbelievably shallow and is turned into a bumbling USSR dictator compared to SC+BW when he was cold, calculating, tactical, motivated, and actually had some depth (not to mention more than five lines). Kerrigan is similar - she was essentially turned into the Overmind. She had zero personality and the only thing she was doing was driving to kill everyone and then accept her doom. We don't even know why the Zerg backed off and then randomly attacked again in the first place. Such a disappointing story. My question is, who is tychus on the radio with at the end? Valerian? or Arturus? Neither of them really make sense. It's unmistakably Arcturus' voice. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
After the last trailer you would know that Valerian will give Raynor what he always wanted. Seeing that there was a 'Sarah Kerrigan as huma'n portrait, that one was also very easy guessable. So story wise it was really weak. The only mission that impressed me was pretty much the last one with the Protoss. That one was pretty intimidating. I also preferred Kerrigan as the Queen of Blades. But I am looking forward to see what Blizzard is going to do with the Zerg campaign now. It is a chance to introduce some new awesome Zerg characters. edit: also some characters that were briefly introduces should have had more stuff to them... like Tosh or Mira Han. Because imo they were kind of fun. edit2: that narud <> duran thing is awesome in hindsight... stupid me didnt really notice it. xD | ||
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kyophan
United States113 Posts
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