EPT2023 - 2024 Football Thread - Page 132
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justanothertownie
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
On June 30 2024 05:38 justanothertownie wrote: Well, if you want to call correct decisions "gifting". This. The first disallowed German goal is the kinda thing VAR theoretically exists for, but I think more broadly the calls were all solid | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On June 30 2024 05:41 gTank wrote: Another "correct" decision, Header duel, both are hitting with their heads, danish player gets the yellow.... Yellow for the Dane player was obviously bollocks. Doesnt make the other decisions not correct | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
On June 30 2024 06:18 KobraKay wrote: Wirtz such class. Sad about that offside It was offside, but was such a nice finish you almost wish it wasn’t I’d definitely stick him back in, don’t think Sane did enough coming in personally. Or like, he came inside a lot. I could see him being a better option in giving Germany a lot of pace out wide, but if he’s dandering inside half the time he’s not giving you more than Germany’s other pseudo-10s | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
 Now was it because of our gameplan? I'm still unconvinced. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
Missed it earlier in transit, nonsense | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28700 Posts
But Germany advancing was overall fair. Denmark played the best game of the tournament but Germany was still overall better. Pretty decent game imo. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
But with VAR, I really don't see any handball rule where this shouldn't be a pen. Every defender knows you shouldn't try to do jumping jacks when trying to block crosses. Most skilled defenders have their arms clearly tucked to their bodies or even behind their body to make it obvious they aren't trying to gain an unfair advantage. Andersen's arm here was maybe in a "natural position", but at the same time also very obviously maximizing the blocked surface area. And as VAR shows, his hand clearly deflected the ball, which would have gone otherwise through unhindered. Like I understand those discussions when someone jumps into the ball and gets hit on the arm in front of his body and then there is this weird discussion on how close the arm was to his body , when all I can think of is "The ball would have hit the dude anyway". Same thing with free kicks hitting the hands/arms of players protecting their face/nuts. I can understand this discussion on a sliding block, when the arm stabilizing the player on the ground is hit and I feel like "Well, we shouldn't force dudes to completely face plant to block, he needed his arm there". But here? Put a dozen other defenders in this situation and they won't flail around their arms like this. During this Euro there were countless examples of that. Instead, Andersen chose to put his arm there and got punished for it. So why would anyone not consider this a handball? Do we really want defenders all to block in "natural poses" where it looks like they are trying to create this iconic "runner smashed through wall" pose from comic books? Pic isn't from the euro but shows quite well, how to block without trying to get an advantage. Curiously the defender was also hit and there was a huge discussion about whether he handled the ball, but it was correctly resolved as no pen. ![[image loading]](https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2021/11/02090208/screenshot-10.png) | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18088 Posts
On June 30 2024 02:07 sharkie wrote: If Switzerland is not a top nation in the last decade - which European nation is one then? France, England, Croatia and Portugal for starters, if results are the main criterion. But ahead of Switzerland are also Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Spain, and I'd venture to say Denmark and Italy as well. Even if Italy looked terrible in *this* tournament. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6241 Posts
On June 30 2024 15:59 mahrgell wrote: Imho the only reason why that pen may feel odd is because we all know that this would have never been called without VAR. It was so fast and the deflection wasn't that big, so this wouldn't have been spotted. But with VAR, I really don't see any handball rule where this shouldn't be a pen. Every defender knows you shouldn't try to do jumping jacks when trying to block crosses. Most skilled defenders have their arms clearly tucked to their bodies or even behind their body to make it obvious they aren't trying to gain an unfair advantage. Andersen's arm here was maybe in a "natural position", but at the same time also very obviously maximizing the blocked surface area. And as VAR shows, his hand clearly deflected the ball, which would have gone otherwise through unhindered. Like I understand those discussions when someone jumps into the ball and gets hit on the arm in front of his body and then there is this weird discussion on how close the arm was to his body , when all I can think of is "The ball would have hit the dude anyway". Same thing with free kicks hitting the hands/arms of players protecting their face/nuts. I can understand this discussion on a sliding block, when the arm stabilizing the player on the ground is hit and I feel like "Well, we shouldn't force dudes to completely face plant to block, he needed his arm there". But here? Put a dozen other defenders in this situation and they won't flail around their arms like this. During this Euro there were countless examples of that. Instead, Andersen chose to put his arm there and got punished for it. So why would anyone not consider this a handball? Do we really want defenders all to block in "natural poses" where it looks like they are trying to create this iconic "runner smashed through wall" pose from comic books? Pic isn't from the euro but shows quite well, how to block without trying to get an advantage. Curiously the defender was also hit and there was a huge discussion about whether he handled the ball, but it was correctly resolved as no pen. If your hand is in a natural position then it's not a penalty. This penalty was incredibly easily given. Defenders should not be forced to play with their hands behind their back to prevent the barest of touches in a natural position resulting in a penalty. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18088 Posts
On June 30 2024 17:18 RvB wrote: If your hand is in a natural position then it's not a penalty. This penalty was incredibly easily given. Defenders should not be forced to play with their hands behind their back to prevent the barest of touches in a natural position resulting in a penalty. Eh. Professional athletes train to do all kinds of unnatural things. Not flailing your arms around when you run/jump so we don't have to get idiotic arguments about how high and far an arm is from the body and whether that's still "natural" or "intentional handball" territory seems like a reasonable ask. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9708 Posts
Its just the fact that play wasn't remotely affected by what happened. The ball brushed the guy's finger extremely softly on its way past. It wasn't deflected or its path changed. Germany got a goal and changed the game off the back of it, and this kind of call doesn't seem worth the consequences of it imo. However, rules are rules so it has to be given, it just sucks. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6241 Posts
On June 30 2024 17:22 Acrofales wrote: Eh. Professional athletes train to do all kinds of unnatural things. Not flailing your arms around when you run/jump so we don't have to get idiotic arguments about how high and far an arm is from the body and whether that's still "natural" or "intentional handball" territory seems like a reasonable ask. We have a very different view of what's reasonable then. I don't find forcing people to play with their hands on their backs to prevent a slight touch in the penalty area very reasonable. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On June 30 2024 19:02 Ghostcom wrote: Possibly the most German win ever - winning on technicalities (I can't help but wonder what the margin of error is on VAR for offside decisions). pretty sure we had much more close offside calls this Euro. This semi-automatic offside is great - now we just need to change the offside rule | ||
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