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On February 27 2023 21:26 gTank wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2023 21:06 mahrgell wrote:
Okay: Lets repeat it again: It was the CHELSEA goal of the month. Chelsea scored only one goal that month. There were no other goals to vote for. Even a single vote would have made this goal of the month. There were no runner-ups... Oh damn sry, I thought that was the goal of the month for the whole PL.
Same same ^^'
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how does that even make sense? shes obviously filed a complaint because the police and prosecution know about it so whats this about her refusing to file a complaint?
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Some people dont want to go through all the hassle of this
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On February 28 2023 10:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:
how does that even make sense? shes obviously filed a complaint because the police and prosecution know about it so whats this about her refusing to file a complaint?
This is weird and makes it seem like a bogus accusation...
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On February 28 2023 10:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:
how does that even make sense? shes obviously filed a complaint because the police and prosecution know about it so whats this about her refusing to file a complaint?
Presumably she went to the police and talked to an officer. She was then asked to do paperwork and make it formal, and at that point she refused. The complaint can still be credible and the police/prosecution can still follow up on it, but they aren't *obliged* to, as they would be if she had actually filed the complaint formally.
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if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt.
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On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt.
Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint.
Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim.
Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed?
Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun"
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On February 28 2023 17:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt. Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint. Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim. Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed? Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun"
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On February 28 2023 17:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt. Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint. Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim. Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed? Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun"
yeah if you want to come up with hypotheticals to support why prosecutors would waste their time chasing every off the record complaint that comes their way, go ahead. otherwise its fairly safe to assume that like the majority of rape reports, they arent made immediately after the incident and so if there isnt a formal complaint then the fact that this is even being investigated is only because the accused is high profile.
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On February 28 2023 20:07 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 17:57 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt. Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint. Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim. Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed? Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun" yeah if you want to come up with hypotheticals to support why prosecutors would waste their time chasing every off the record complaint that comes their way, go ahead. otherwise its fairly safe to assume that like the majority of rape reports, they arent made immediately after the incident and so if there isnt a formal complaint then the fact that this is even being investigated is only because the accused is high profile.
Everything is a hypothetical when you don't know shit.
If you want to pretend that your random assumption that you've made with pretty much zero evidence is better than someone else's you're going to have to justify it.
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On February 28 2023 20:17 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 20:07 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 17:57 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt. Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint. Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim. Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed? Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun" yeah if you want to come up with hypotheticals to support why prosecutors would waste their time chasing every off the record complaint that comes their way, go ahead. otherwise its fairly safe to assume that like the majority of rape reports, they arent made immediately after the incident and so if there isnt a formal complaint then the fact that this is even being investigated is only because the accused is high profile. Everything is a hypothetical when you don't know shit. If you want to pretend that your random assumption that you've made with pretty much zero evidence is better than someone else's you're going to have to justify it.
find any dataset you want. i guarantee that whichever country youre looking at the stats will give you a similar story.
heres one from australia. rape reports arent typically made a day or two after the incident happens. thats just how it is. notice how australias stats' benchmark for time is one year.
https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/victims-sexual-assault-time-report-and-age-incident
thats the evidence my assumption is based on. an extremely high likelihood that the scenario acrofales gave isnt the case here. so my original statement continues to be likely to be correct. the fact that any random woman can walk into a police station, give the name of the accuser but neglect to elaborate on any of the other details (which is essentially what a formal complaint is), and the case is investigated anyway only happens because the accused is high profile.
the story is basically slandering with plausible deniability and if an investigation is conducted based on an unverified complaint that the complainant wont even press further, its malicious prosecution at worst and an opportunity to cancel someone at best.
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Wtf is wrong with you? Men like you are the reason women dont go report rape and similar stuff.
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On February 28 2023 20:39 sharkie wrote:
Wtf is wrong with you? Men like you are the reason women dont go report rape and similar stuff.
wtf is wrong with you? forgot how to read english? no idea what your 2nd sentence has to do with anything i said.
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On February 28 2023 20:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 20:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 28 2023 20:07 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 17:57 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt. Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint. Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim. Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed? Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun" yeah if you want to come up with hypotheticals to support why prosecutors would waste their time chasing every off the record complaint that comes their way, go ahead. otherwise its fairly safe to assume that like the majority of rape reports, they arent made immediately after the incident and so if there isnt a formal complaint then the fact that this is even being investigated is only because the accused is high profile. Everything is a hypothetical when you don't know shit. If you want to pretend that your random assumption that you've made with pretty much zero evidence is better than someone else's you're going to have to justify it. find any dataset you want. i guarantee that whichever country youre looking at the stats will give you a similar story. heres one from australia. rape reports arent typically made a day or two after the incident happens. thats just how it is. notice how australias stats' benchmark for time is one year. https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/victims-sexual-assault-time-report-and-age-incidentthats the evidence my assumption is based on. an extremely high likelihood that the scenario acrofales gave isnt the case here. so my original statement continues to be likely to be correct. the fact that any random woman can walk into a police station, give the name of the accuser but neglect to elaborate on any of the other details (which is essentially what a formal complaint is), and the case is investigated anyway only happens because the accused is high profile. the story is basically slandering with plausible deniability and if an investigation is conducted based on an unverified complaint that the complainant wont even press further, its malicious prosecution at worst and an opportunity to cancel someone at best.
That doesnt even make sense.... wtactualf?
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On February 28 2023 20:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 20:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 28 2023 20:07 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 17:57 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt. Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint. Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim. Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed? Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun" yeah if you want to come up with hypotheticals to support why prosecutors would waste their time chasing every off the record complaint that comes their way, go ahead. otherwise its fairly safe to assume that like the majority of rape reports, they arent made immediately after the incident and so if there isnt a formal complaint then the fact that this is even being investigated is only because the accused is high profile. Everything is a hypothetical when you don't know shit. If you want to pretend that your random assumption that you've made with pretty much zero evidence is better than someone else's you're going to have to justify it. find any dataset you want. i guarantee that whichever country youre looking at the stats will give you a similar story. heres one from australia. rape reports arent typically made a day or two after the incident happens. thats just how it is. notice how australias stats' benchmark for time is one year. https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/victims-sexual-assault-time-report-and-age-incidentthats the evidence my assumption is based on. an extremely high likelihood that the scenario acrofales gave isnt the case here. so my original statement continues to be likely to be correct. the fact that any random woman can walk into a police station, give the name of the accuser but neglect to elaborate on any of the other details (which is essentially what a formal complaint is), and the case is investigated anyway only happens because the accused is high profile. the story is basically slandering with plausible deniability and if an investigation is conducted based on an unverified complaint that the complainant wont even press further, its malicious prosecution at worst and an opportunity to cancel someone at best.
No, your original statement isn't likely to be correct at all. The police wouldn't do this just based on someone coming to them and saying something. There's probably something else, like maybe previous allegations against the same guy, or some circumstance that makes it seem more likely he was involved in something that we have no idea about. Maybe the girl came in and looked like this had happened. There are any number of circumstances that could make the police extra suspicious of someone.
You are making some absolutely huge assumptions based on nothing.
Personally I believe in 'innocent until proven guilty', whether we are talking about the crime of rape, or the crime of falsely reporting a rape.
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On February 28 2023 20:47 gTank wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 20:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 20:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 28 2023 20:07 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 17:57 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt. Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint. Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim. Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed? Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun" yeah if you want to come up with hypotheticals to support why prosecutors would waste their time chasing every off the record complaint that comes their way, go ahead. otherwise its fairly safe to assume that like the majority of rape reports, they arent made immediately after the incident and so if there isnt a formal complaint then the fact that this is even being investigated is only because the accused is high profile. Everything is a hypothetical when you don't know shit. If you want to pretend that your random assumption that you've made with pretty much zero evidence is better than someone else's you're going to have to justify it. find any dataset you want. i guarantee that whichever country youre looking at the stats will give you a similar story. heres one from australia. rape reports arent typically made a day or two after the incident happens. thats just how it is. notice how australias stats' benchmark for time is one year. https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/victims-sexual-assault-time-report-and-age-incidentthats the evidence my assumption is based on. an extremely high likelihood that the scenario acrofales gave isnt the case here. so my original statement continues to be likely to be correct. the fact that any random woman can walk into a police station, give the name of the accuser but neglect to elaborate on any of the other details (which is essentially what a formal complaint is), and the case is investigated anyway only happens because the accused is high profile. the story is basically slandering with plausible deniability and if an investigation is conducted based on an unverified complaint that the complainant wont even press further, its malicious prosecution at worst and an opportunity to cancel someone at best. That doesnt even make sense.... wtactualf?
what doesnt make sense? its practically common knowledge. the combination of fear, trauma and the time it takes to deliberate on what actions to take all lead to victims making reports a long time after the incident actually took place.
On February 28 2023 20:52 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 20:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 20:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 28 2023 20:07 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 17:57 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt. Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint. Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim. Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed? Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun" yeah if you want to come up with hypotheticals to support why prosecutors would waste their time chasing every off the record complaint that comes their way, go ahead. otherwise its fairly safe to assume that like the majority of rape reports, they arent made immediately after the incident and so if there isnt a formal complaint then the fact that this is even being investigated is only because the accused is high profile. Everything is a hypothetical when you don't know shit. If you want to pretend that your random assumption that you've made with pretty much zero evidence is better than someone else's you're going to have to justify it. find any dataset you want. i guarantee that whichever country youre looking at the stats will give you a similar story. heres one from australia. rape reports arent typically made a day or two after the incident happens. thats just how it is. notice how australias stats' benchmark for time is one year. https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/victims-sexual-assault-time-report-and-age-incidentthats the evidence my assumption is based on. an extremely high likelihood that the scenario acrofales gave isnt the case here. so my original statement continues to be likely to be correct. the fact that any random woman can walk into a police station, give the name of the accuser but neglect to elaborate on any of the other details (which is essentially what a formal complaint is), and the case is investigated anyway only happens because the accused is high profile. the story is basically slandering with plausible deniability and if an investigation is conducted based on an unverified complaint that the complainant wont even press further, its malicious prosecution at worst and an opportunity to cancel someone at best. No, your original statement isn't likely to be correct at all. The police wouldn't do this just based on someone coming to them and saying something. There's probably something else, like maybe previous allegations against the same guy, or some circumstance that makes it seem more likely he was involved in something that we have no idea about. Maybe the girl came in and looked like this had happened. There are any number of circumstances that could make the police extra suspicious of someone. You are making some absolutely huge assumptions based on nothing. Personally I believe in 'innocent until proven guilty', whether we are talking about the crime of rape, or the crime of falsely reporting a rape.
well i just went over the likelihood of this report having being made immediately after the incident.
other than that, sure, there may be something going on we dont know about. my point is the story (tweet) is trash because its completely nonsensical. you either have a credible ("formal") complaint for which an investigation could be based on and an article comes out saying exactly that, or you dont have a credible complaint for which no investigation should be based on because its a waste of time and resources.
the story gives us hardly any information about which of the two scenarios is applicable here. all it does is basically throw mud at hakimi and could potentially slander/cancel him. if youre going to circulate a story of this nature then it should have better clarity on what the situation is
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On February 28 2023 20:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 20:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 28 2023 20:07 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 17:57 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt. Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint. Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim. Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed? Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun" yeah if you want to come up with hypotheticals to support why prosecutors would waste their time chasing every off the record complaint that comes their way, go ahead. otherwise its fairly safe to assume that like the majority of rape reports, they arent made immediately after the incident and so if there isnt a formal complaint then the fact that this is even being investigated is only because the accused is high profile. Everything is a hypothetical when you don't know shit. If you want to pretend that your random assumption that you've made with pretty much zero evidence is better than someone else's you're going to have to justify it. find any dataset you want. i guarantee that whichever country youre looking at the stats will give you a similar story. heres one from australia. rape reports arent typically made a day or two after the incident happens. thats just how it is. notice how australias stats' benchmark for time is one year. https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/victims-sexual-assault-time-report-and-age-incidentthats the evidence my assumption is based on. an extremely high likelihood that the scenario acrofales gave isnt the case here. so my original statement continues to be likely to be correct. the fact that any random woman can walk into a police station, give the name of the accuser but neglect to elaborate on any of the other details (which is essentially what a formal complaint is), and the case is investigated anyway only happens because the accused is high profile. the story is basically slandering with plausible deniability and if an investigation is conducted based on an unverified complaint that the complainant wont even press further, its malicious prosecution at worst and an opportunity to cancel someone at best.
If you're upset about the tweet, then fine. I won't argue that. The tweet basically says "the police is investigating this guy" and I agree with you that that shouldn't really be reported because even if that guy is a world famous footballer, he is innocent until proven guilty, and him being investigated doesn't say shit about his guilt in the matter. It's pretty bad.
But that wasn't your statement, you stated that the police and prosecution should drop it because there was no formal complaint. That's entirely different, and all the statistics in the world won't change that YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS CASE. You jumped straight to "that shit is made up, why is the police bothering with it" instead of "oh, maybe I don't have all the facts".
When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me. Although I don't feel included here!
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On February 28 2023 21:40 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 20:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 20:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 28 2023 20:07 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 17:57 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt. Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint. Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim. Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed? Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun" yeah if you want to come up with hypotheticals to support why prosecutors would waste their time chasing every off the record complaint that comes their way, go ahead. otherwise its fairly safe to assume that like the majority of rape reports, they arent made immediately after the incident and so if there isnt a formal complaint then the fact that this is even being investigated is only because the accused is high profile. Everything is a hypothetical when you don't know shit. If you want to pretend that your random assumption that you've made with pretty much zero evidence is better than someone else's you're going to have to justify it. find any dataset you want. i guarantee that whichever country youre looking at the stats will give you a similar story. heres one from australia. rape reports arent typically made a day or two after the incident happens. thats just how it is. notice how australias stats' benchmark for time is one year. https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/victims-sexual-assault-time-report-and-age-incidentthats the evidence my assumption is based on. an extremely high likelihood that the scenario acrofales gave isnt the case here. so my original statement continues to be likely to be correct. the fact that any random woman can walk into a police station, give the name of the accuser but neglect to elaborate on any of the other details (which is essentially what a formal complaint is), and the case is investigated anyway only happens because the accused is high profile. the story is basically slandering with plausible deniability and if an investigation is conducted based on an unverified complaint that the complainant wont even press further, its malicious prosecution at worst and an opportunity to cancel someone at best. If you're upset about the tweet, then fine. I won't argue that. The tweet basically says "the police is investigating this guy" and I agree with you that that shouldn't really be reported because even if that guy is a world famous footballer, he is innocent until proven guilty, and him being investigated doesn't say shit about his guilt in the matter. It's pretty bad. But that wasn't your statement, you stated that the police and prosecution should drop it because there was no formal complaint. That's entirely different, and all the statistics in the world won't change that YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS CASE. You jumped straight to "that shit is made up, why is the police bothering with it" instead of "oh, maybe I don't have all the facts".When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me. Although I don't feel included here!
actually i specifically said prosecution, but might as well include police too. and i only used the wording "formal complaint" because you did. the original tweet doesnt even go as far as saying "formal". thats what you came up with to entertain the idea that the story might be legitimate. based on the original wording of the tweet, yeah i stand by what i said. if the police isnt given a proper complaint then why the fk should anyone investigate it. you cant just walk into a police station, casually name drop the rapist and then walk out and expect people to follow up on your word. if there isnt more to the story and prosecution took up the case, then the situation would indeed be preposterous because it would be clear that there were ill motivations. the prospect of getting a high profile persons scalp being the driving factor over the legitimacy of the complaint.
so to be clear my issue is originally with the tweet, but on the off chance that the tweet is 100% correct, then my complaint extends to the prosecutors. either the tweet is complete shit and is missing key information, or we are about to witness the beginnings of malicious prosecution first hand.
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On February 28 2023 21:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2023 21:40 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2023 20:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 20:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 28 2023 20:07 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 28 2023 17:57 Acrofales wrote:On February 28 2023 16:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if she didnt formally file a complaint its preposterous that prosecution "took up the case". the complaint would have as much credibility as a random twitter troll and to act on such a complaint would be nothing more than going on a baseless witchhunt. Or maybe there is a whole bunch of evidence beyond what the woman said that the police can act on without her doing anything at all? We don't know anything other than that he's being investigated and the alleged victim did not file a formal complaint. Consider, for example, the following situation. A girl runs into the police station, clearly distraught. Her clothes are ripped and it looks like she was battered physically. When asked what's wrong, she says she was raped, and she details the situation. A doctor examines her and determines that she had sexual intercourse and that the wounds are consistent with her story of being held against her will and trying to struggle to escape. However, when faced with the paperwork where she has to give her ID number, her address and a contact phone number, she decides NOT to press ahead. She is, after all, an illegal immigrant and afraid of being deported if she enters the police system, even as a victim. Would you consider that "equal credibility to a random twitter troll"? Or something the police really should investigate despite there being no complaint filed? Now I'm not saying that that is what happened. What I'm saying is: WE DO NOT KNOW, so stop assuming the Parisian police is just doing this "just for fun" yeah if you want to come up with hypotheticals to support why prosecutors would waste their time chasing every off the record complaint that comes their way, go ahead. otherwise its fairly safe to assume that like the majority of rape reports, they arent made immediately after the incident and so if there isnt a formal complaint then the fact that this is even being investigated is only because the accused is high profile. Everything is a hypothetical when you don't know shit. If you want to pretend that your random assumption that you've made with pretty much zero evidence is better than someone else's you're going to have to justify it. find any dataset you want. i guarantee that whichever country youre looking at the stats will give you a similar story. heres one from australia. rape reports arent typically made a day or two after the incident happens. thats just how it is. notice how australias stats' benchmark for time is one year. https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/victims-sexual-assault-time-report-and-age-incidentthats the evidence my assumption is based on. an extremely high likelihood that the scenario acrofales gave isnt the case here. so my original statement continues to be likely to be correct. the fact that any random woman can walk into a police station, give the name of the accuser but neglect to elaborate on any of the other details (which is essentially what a formal complaint is), and the case is investigated anyway only happens because the accused is high profile. the story is basically slandering with plausible deniability and if an investigation is conducted based on an unverified complaint that the complainant wont even press further, its malicious prosecution at worst and an opportunity to cancel someone at best. If you're upset about the tweet, then fine. I won't argue that. The tweet basically says "the police is investigating this guy" and I agree with you that that shouldn't really be reported because even if that guy is a world famous footballer, he is innocent until proven guilty, and him being investigated doesn't say shit about his guilt in the matter. It's pretty bad. But that wasn't your statement, you stated that the police and prosecution should drop it because there was no formal complaint. That's entirely different, and all the statistics in the world won't change that YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS CASE. You jumped straight to "that shit is made up, why is the police bothering with it" instead of "oh, maybe I don't have all the facts".When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me. Although I don't feel included here! actually i specifically said prosecution, but might as well include police too. and i only used the wording "formal complaint" because you did. the original tweet doesnt even go as far as saying "formal". thats what you came up with to entertain the idea that the story might be legitimate. based on the original wording of the tweet, yeah i stand by what i said. if the police isnt given a proper complaint then why the fk should anyone investigate it. you cant just walk into a police station, casually name drop the rapist and then walk out and expect people to follow up on your word. if there isnt more to the story and prosecution took up the case, then the situation would indeed be preposterous because it would be clear that there were ill motivations. the prospect of getting a high profile persons scalp being the driving factor over the legitimacy of the complaint. so to be clear my issue is originally with the tweet, but on the off chance that the tweet is 100% correct, then my complaint extends to the prosecutors. either the tweet is complete shit and is missing key information, or we are about to witness the beginnings of malicious prosecution first hand.
So your conclusion from a rape charge that you have next to no information about is "must be bogus and the prosecutor is just collecting scalps", thereby assuming both the woman who reported it to the police and the prosecutor are committing crimes. Regardless of whether Hakimi is guilty or not, the tweet provides less evidence still for your assertion.
Oh, and regarding your statistics: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/28/psg-achraf-hakimi-being-investigated-by-french-prosecutors-over-alleged-rape
So seeing as the story broke yesterday, that gives it at most 48 hours since the alleged rape before she reported it to the police.
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