EPT2022 - 2023 Football Thread - Page 125
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justanothertownie
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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United States41117 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
Ligue 1 and Serie A will overtake the bundesliga based on todays results... | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On May 28 2023 00:48 Malinor wrote: German football is dead internationally with this result for the foreseeable future. The whole Bundesliga is comprised of teams that don't believe they can ever win anything. And if the chance arises, they fail. Bayern just learned that they can basically mess up as much as they want and still be king. That is not a good learning if you want to win the CL again at some point. Plus, the lack of competition nationally hinders CL success as well. The national team is already weak. The current Bayern players are not as good as the last generation and all other teams basically send people that only know that they cannot make it to the top. One could argue that Frankfurt won EL last year, and that is nice. But I feel it is more the case that a German team can fluke its way to victory every 25 years. Either Dortmund bounces back from this quick, meaning the next 1-2 years, or they will break and celebrate their Ro16 CL appearance every other year as the highest achievement. What a sad day for German football. However, when it comes to the Bundesliga being made up of" teams who dont think they can win anything", speaking as a Freiburg fan, I believe they as well as nearly half of the teams in the Bundesliga cannot be blamed for that (other examples: Mainz, Union Berlin, Augsburg, Bochum, to a lesser extent even Bremen, Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim). They are teams from smaller cities (read: limited economic potential, unless continually depending on a specific sponsor is supposed to be a valid business plan), or who only made it to the Bundesliga relatively recently. For them to expect to the be genuine contenders would be delusional. Imo the blame for the lack of competitiveness lies with the historically bigger (big city) clubs who continually self-destruct to the point where some of them arent even in the Bundesliga anymore. Such as Hamburg, Stuttgart, Hertha Berlin. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4738 Posts
On May 28 2023 02:47 Mafe wrote: I agree with the general sentiment. The Bundesliga got the champion it deserved, and in a deserving manner too. However, when it comes to the Bundesliga being made up of" teams who dont think they can win anything", speaking as a Freiburg fan, I believe they as well as nearly half of the teams in the Bundesliga cannot be blamed for that (other examples: Mainz, Union Berlin, Augsburg, Bochum, to a lesser extent even Bremen, Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim). They are teams from smaller cities (read: limited economic potential, unless continually depending on a specific sponsor is supposed to be a valid business plan), or who only made it to the Bundesliga relatively recently. For them to expect to the be genuine contenders would be delusional. Imo the blame for the lack of competitiveness lies with the historically bigger (big city) clubs who continually self-destruct to the point where some of them arent even in the Bundesliga anymore. Such as Hamburg, Stuttgart, Hertha Berlin. Completely agree, this is more on the larger clubs and larger cities. Freiburg is a marvelous club and they are working wonders with what they have. The question could be raised if it is a systemic problem, with Bayern being so much richer than everyone else noone can keep up. I feel that is too easy, and I would extend on your argument why that is not the case. Let's have a look at some clubs who should be able to compete: Leverkusen was such a strong contender for a time, but for whatever reason, they could not cross the finish line. Maybe if they had gotten 1-2 Championships in the early 2000s, the club would maybe have a different mentality today and would be able to challenge every 3-5 years (they are too small to compete all the time). Hamburg is a large and great city, they have amazing fans, there is so much business and money in this town that money is easy to come by. On top of that, they don't have challenges like the clubs in the west, where basically 5+ clubs compete for fans, sponsors etc. (Dortmund, Schalke, Cologne, Mönchengladbach, Leverkusen,...) - they are all alone in the north, only with Bremen as a natural rival. This town had everything that is needed to compete with Bayern, if the club was run the right way. But they mismanaged the club in ways that are hard to believe from the outside. If I remember correctly, they basically had Klopp signing but decided to want a bigger name. So Klopp went to Dortmund... Hertha BSC Berlin needs to be mentioned, because they basically have the same conditions as Hamburg, but they lack the history of the HSV. They never were really in contention, but they should be better, plain and simple. There is not one of the big leagues where the capital city does not have a big club competing for the title, only Berlin in Germany.. Union Berlin is fun, but they are more like St. Pauli, a working man's club. They will never be huge. Then you have Dortmund, who are obviously just not ready as an organization since Klopp left. If Haller scored the penalty today it could be different, but it isn't. With this loss, they will continue to fail to attract S-tier talent (or be able to keep it after a couple of seasons) that feels they can actually win something there. Leipzig just hasn't pushed through yet, and while they are doing okay, they kind of seem to small. You probably could extend that list. But anyway, it kind off feels that no other club in Germany has managed to create a winning mentality over the last 2 decades. And that for one is not Bayerns fault. Sure they have the most money, sure they might win 50% of the titles or even 2 out of 3. But 11 seasons straight... that is just nobody stepping up when they had the chance, and now they are all broken mentally. 11 years in a row. This seems unreal. Before that, it was never more than 3 years in a row. It is heartbreaking. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28792 Posts
They were relegated from the first division in the 91-92 season, the year before the PL started, and just now managed to get back up. I'm seeing that the stadium/facility quality is slightly worse than what most PL teams can offer.. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
They are however now with promotion money getting a new stadium built, so this game and getting in the premier league has won them a stadium! | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9843 Posts
6th penalty too. The worst way to lose. Dabo just stepped up but didn't really want to then fucked it up. You could see it on his face as he was walking up to take it. On May 28 2023 04:04 Liquid`Drone wrote: Luton Town is in the premier league for the first time! They were relegated from the first division in the 91-92 season, the year before the PL started, and just now managed to get back up. I'm seeing that the stadium/facility quality is slightly worse than what most PL teams can offer.. They've managed to get from non-league to the Premier league since 2013. | ||
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26760 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
Lewandowski, Neuer, Sommer, Upamecano, Pavard, Goretzka, Sule, Gnabry, Hummels, Kimmich, Gotze, Mandzukic, Gomez etc. etc. all decided to join them than try and beat them. They were generally all fairly cheap and in some cases free. | ||
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justanothertownie
16325 Posts
On May 28 2023 17:09 DropBear wrote: The problem for me is that Bayern cherry-pick all the best talent from every other Bundesliga club and every single player is happy to go, even if it means not playing every week. I don't know how you fix this problem if the players themselves want to go. Lewandowski, Neuer, Sommer, Upamecano, Pavard, Goretzka, Sule, Gnabry, Hummels, Kimmich, Gotze, Mandzukic, Gomez etc. etc. all decided to join them than try and beat them. They were generally all fairly cheap and in some cases free. And clubs like the Bvb do it to the ones below them like Gladbach. That is how this business works - players want to play for the better clubs who also pay better. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9843 Posts
I want them to stay up because holy shit are they in trouble if they go down. I reckon Leicester and Leeds could at least stay solvent. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28792 Posts
Liverpool's collapse is hilarious. Southampton with 2 points from the previous 10, Liverpool 7-3-0 from the same 10. And still conceding 4 after going up 2-0. Truly special level of inconsistency this season. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28792 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
3. Liga: Before the games, Osnabrück and Wiesbaden were on equal points, but Osnabrück had a better GD by one! They were battling for direct promotion vs relegation games (and if either of them lost, there were enough teams close behind that this would undoubtedly drop them down into nothingness) Wiesbaden won their game 1-0, while Osnabrück was 1-0 behind in extra time. This gave Wiesbaden the direct promotion, Osnabrück would get nothing. Wiesbaden had a pitch invasion. Then Osnabrück scored in minutes 94 and 96. Suddenly Osnabrück got the direct promotion and the Wiesbaden party got abruptly canceled. 2. Liga: Again the battle for direct promotion vs relegation games. This time Heidenheim vs Hamburger SV, with Heidenheim leading by a point. Hamburg scored their 1-0 in the 3rd minute and never let go. When their game was over, Heidenheim was trailing 1-2 in extra time. So as usual pitch invasion Hamburg... And then Heidenheim scored in minutes 93+99 :D And the story of 3. Liga repeated. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
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