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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9495 Posts
May 29 2022 10:14 GMT
#2721
On May 29 2022 18:19 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2022 17:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 29 2022 17:25 sharkie wrote:
What has liverpool to do about this? Its definitely a huge Problem when a match is delayed for 36 minutes?

Something always seems to happen with Liverpool though, doesn't it?


Imo its a mix of France and Liverpool here. Kicker (German football magazine) is also reporting about it.
According to Uefa the fault lies with Liverpool fans with fake tickets and according to British media its French youth jumping the gates. As always I am pretty sure the total truth lies in the middle so a mix of France and Liverpool

That's probably a fair assessment.
RIP Meatloaf <3
sekishusai
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
80 Posts
May 29 2022 10:36 GMT
#2722
This is the least impressive champion I've seen in years.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24446 Posts
May 29 2022 12:08 GMT
#2723
On May 29 2022 15:57 Vinekh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2022 09:01 WombaT wrote:
On May 29 2022 07:53 Vinekh wrote:
I don't think that Madrid 'sucks' against high pressing teams or that their first half was 'atrocious'. Their midfield consists of a bunch of veterans and a group of still inexperienced players, so they prefer to sit back against such teams, knowing that they can't really keep up.
At least this season, this strategy worked almost flawlessly. But in the cases it doesn't work, it collapses really fast (for example El Classico).

In the final, they weathered the storm for most of the time with great defense and goalkeeping and scored with the only shot at target. That is impressive and Carletto should be praised for his work.

The strategy didn’t work, although perhaps it was the most viable strategy available.

I disagree with this statement. Obviously, it worked.

They did ultimately win after all, Ancelotti and his squad have done a great job.

They were under the cosh a sufficient amount of time all through this competition, and crucially conceded tons of gilt edged chances throughout that I don’t think they got their tactical setup spot on.

If your plan is to concede possession, good goal scoring opportunities and hope to scrape through it’s not a great plan.
Villareal were suitably outmatched in playing personnel that I think it’s fair to praise Emery’s game plans as excellent.

In football as in many walks of life there’s a certain results bias. Pep and Klopp can both have made the right calls and still lose

Ours may be the only universe where Real played like this from the Ro16 onwards and won the thing
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
May 29 2022 13:02 GMT
#2724
Mane has confirmed he wants to leave Liverpool this summer as well!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24446 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-29 13:06:29
May 29 2022 13:03 GMT
#2725
On May 29 2022 19:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2022 18:19 sharkie wrote:
On May 29 2022 17:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 29 2022 17:25 sharkie wrote:
What has liverpool to do about this? Its definitely a huge Problem when a match is delayed for 36 minutes?

Something always seems to happen with Liverpool though, doesn't it?


Imo its a mix of France and Liverpool here. Kicker (German football magazine) is also reporting about it.
According to Uefa the fault lies with Liverpool fans with fake tickets and according to British media its French youth jumping the gates. As always I am pretty sure the total truth lies in the middle so a mix of France and Liverpool

That's probably a fair assessment.

We’ll hopefully find out more, I imagine it’s a combination of various things.

With the Euros final it was pretty clear English fans turned up ticketless and were intent on forcing entry, in big numbers.

Here? I dunno. Perhaps a minority of fans tried that method, or perhaps organisational delays, purported flagging of legitimate tickets as fake and a restless crowd forced the issue.

If the various stakeholders could just be honest that would be helpful.

Regardless of what actually happened, the organisation and policing and the fans can’t both be completely blameless. I find it implausible that this game had a tougher job in stewardship than the vast decampment of Rangers and Frankfurt to Seville that passed without incident.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
May 29 2022 13:31 GMT
#2726
On May 29 2022 19:36 sekishusai wrote:
This is the least impressive champion I've seen in years.

In the knock-out stages they beat PSG, Chelsea, Man City, and Liverpool. That is impressive, even if the performances did not look it. For comparison, Liverpool beat Inter, Benfica, and Villareal before losing to Real.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-29 16:33:36
May 29 2022 16:32 GMT
#2727
On May 29 2022 22:03 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2022 19:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 29 2022 18:19 sharkie wrote:
On May 29 2022 17:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 29 2022 17:25 sharkie wrote:
What has liverpool to do about this? Its definitely a huge Problem when a match is delayed for 36 minutes?

Something always seems to happen with Liverpool though, doesn't it?


Imo its a mix of France and Liverpool here. Kicker (German football magazine) is also reporting about it.
According to Uefa the fault lies with Liverpool fans with fake tickets and according to British media its French youth jumping the gates. As always I am pretty sure the total truth lies in the middle so a mix of France and Liverpool

That's probably a fair assessment.

We’ll hopefully find out more, I imagine it’s a combination of various things.

With the Euros final it was pretty clear English fans turned up ticketless and were intent on forcing entry, in big numbers.

Here? I dunno. Perhaps a minority of fans tried that method, or perhaps organisational delays, purported flagging of legitimate tickets as fake and a restless crowd forced the issue.

If the various stakeholders could just be honest that would be helpful.

Regardless of what actually happened, the organisation and policing and the fans can’t both be completely blameless. I find it implausible that this game had a tougher job in stewardship than the vast decampment of Rangers and Frankfurt to Seville that passed without incident.


personally, i think if you are going to blame the stadium organizers, i would be curious that uefa's statements make no mention of any issues on RM's side. was RM's end perfectly fine? and rep of england fans arent exactly the greatest

another example that manu absolutely has no idea what they are doing, rangnick's consultant role? over before it even began. was ten hag not his choice?
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4219 Posts
May 29 2022 16:55 GMT
#2728
On May 29 2022 22:31 Melliflue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2022 19:36 sekishusai wrote:
This is the least impressive champion I've seen in years.

In the knock-out stages they beat PSG, Chelsea, Man City, and Liverpool. That is impressive, even if the performances did not look it. For comparison, Liverpool beat Inter, Benfica, and Villareal before losing to Real.


their point still stands. It's a good team underperforming heavily and getting by on a few lucky bounces and some genious individual plays. Not impressive at all.

As Drone (i think it was him in the previous page) pointed out, luck did indeed play a factor in their run.

For all intents and purposes, they should have been eliminated in any of the previous rounds if any sort of fairness existed in the sport.

And let's not even start about how Casemiro managed to escape a red card in the first half of one of those games that would probably completely change one of their miracle recoveries. Sigh.

Was counting on Liverpool but it was not meant to be.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 29 2022 17:36 GMT
#2729
Gods...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24446 Posts
May 29 2022 18:42 GMT
#2730
On May 30 2022 01:32 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2022 22:03 WombaT wrote:
On May 29 2022 19:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 29 2022 18:19 sharkie wrote:
On May 29 2022 17:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 29 2022 17:25 sharkie wrote:
What has liverpool to do about this? Its definitely a huge Problem when a match is delayed for 36 minutes?

Something always seems to happen with Liverpool though, doesn't it?


Imo its a mix of France and Liverpool here. Kicker (German football magazine) is also reporting about it.
According to Uefa the fault lies with Liverpool fans with fake tickets and according to British media its French youth jumping the gates. As always I am pretty sure the total truth lies in the middle so a mix of France and Liverpool

That's probably a fair assessment.

We’ll hopefully find out more, I imagine it’s a combination of various things.

With the Euros final it was pretty clear English fans turned up ticketless and were intent on forcing entry, in big numbers.

Here? I dunno. Perhaps a minority of fans tried that method, or perhaps organisational delays, purported flagging of legitimate tickets as fake and a restless crowd forced the issue.

If the various stakeholders could just be honest that would be helpful.

Regardless of what actually happened, the organisation and policing and the fans can’t both be completely blameless. I find it implausible that this game had a tougher job in stewardship than the vast decampment of Rangers and Frankfurt to Seville that passed without incident.


personally, i think if you are going to blame the stadium organizers, i would be curious that uefa's statements make no mention of any issues on RM's side. was RM's end perfectly fine? and rep of england fans arent exactly the greatest

another example that manu absolutely has no idea what they are doing, rangnick's consultant role? over before it even began. was ten hag not his choice?

I don’t think Real have quite the culture of travelling support that you see in Britain, or elsewhere in Europe.

I’m not actually blaming the organisers, I don’t feel I’ve seen enough information really. With this, and in any other similar incident I can even vaguely recall, organisers say they did nothing wrong, police say they did nothing wrong, fan groups and clubs say their fans did nothing wrong.

It gets a bit tiresome. Stubborn pride coming before the truth or improving and learning.

Yeah the Ragnick appointment was a fucking disaster. Symptomatic of United in general. The coaching was always the question mark, what Ragnick generally has done very well is build clubs institutionally.

Either appoint him on an interim basis, on the proviso he becomes director of football, or technical director or don’t hire him on an interim basis. All the bad results and performances did was erode his authority, to the degree he can’t then make that move into the back room as smoothly.

Or, appoint a dedicated coach. Or say, not turn your nose up at Antonio Conte for ‘not being United enough’ or whatever reasoning was given.

Players didn’t respond to him, IMO partly because they knew he was departing anyway. At least if he was a confirmed director of football well, players know he’ll have a big influence on their futures.

I still think the idea to bring Ragnick in to rein in the institutional rot was a sensible idea, but horrendously executed. Genuinely baffling club at times
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9495 Posts
May 29 2022 18:55 GMT
#2731
Forest are back!
RIP Meatloaf <3
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-29 19:29:14
May 29 2022 19:18 GMT
#2732
Now there's an American GK in the premiere league.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51400 Posts
May 29 2022 21:44 GMT
#2733
rumours of rangnick leaving his advisory role to work full-time with austria end up being true



jeez what a shit show. i hope the whole dossier/report shit is true though and ten hag has a better understanding of what needs fixing.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 29 2022 22:09 GMT
#2734
Damn France.... calm down.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8614 Posts
May 30 2022 03:48 GMT
#2735
what the fuck at the rangnick situation?
his coaching ability aside, its obvious his 6 months have unearthed a shit ton of skeletons at the club. this is 100% the glazers not wanting to deal with the constant humiliation of rangnicks blunt assessments of what a shambles this club is.
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1897 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-30 05:37:54
May 30 2022 05:34 GMT
#2736
It'll be interesting to see what kind of conclusions RM make of their season. La Liga title & UCL title run vs all the top dogs signal an absolute blinder of a season. But then again you look at it and it has relied on Benz being in insane form at 34 years of age, Modric staying world class at 36, Courtois pulling off miracles and barely scraping wins together defying almost all the probabilities and so on. In La Liga both Barca and Atletico had some of their weaker seasons too.

How do you rate a season like that? Results wise it's a almost a 10 out of 10, but at the same time they've seemingly got outplayed in so many games. Any of the multiple keys moment goes different and more competition in La Liga and suddenly it could be a very underwhelming UCL exit and finishing 3rd in La Liga.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18342 Posts
May 30 2022 06:15 GMT
#2737
You rate a season like that a 10 but know of your shortcomings and address them in the transfer window imo.

Lets see if real will do that
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1897 Posts
May 30 2022 07:46 GMT
#2738
I feel like the end of the first Zidane stint felt similar. They didn't play well and probably needed some rebuild, but winning the back-to-back UCLs made everything seem alright. They didn't really properly rebuild, Zidane left and it took them a while to get back to being a top contender.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4340 Posts
May 30 2022 08:17 GMT
#2739
On May 30 2022 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Damn France.... calm down.

https://twitter.com/SRFC_Infinity35/status/1531000939733196800

fucking hell
Sucker for nostalgia
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6818 Posts
May 30 2022 09:48 GMT
#2740
On May 30 2022 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Damn France.... calm down.

https://twitter.com/SRFC_Infinity35/status/1531000939733196800


Is this in the wrong thread? Reminds me a lot of those pictures in https://tl.net/forum/general/587060-russo-ukrainian-war-thread
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