On May 29 2022 17:25 sharkie wrote: What has liverpool to do about this? Its definitely a huge Problem when a match is delayed for 36 minutes?
Something always seems to happen with Liverpool though, doesn't it?
Imo its a mix of France and Liverpool here. Kicker (German football magazine) is also reporting about it. According to Uefa the fault lies with Liverpool fans with fake tickets and according to British media its French youth jumping the gates. As always I am pretty sure the total truth lies in the middle so a mix of France and Liverpool
On May 29 2022 07:53 Vinekh wrote: I don't think that Madrid 'sucks' against high pressing teams or that their first half was 'atrocious'. Their midfield consists of a bunch of veterans and a group of still inexperienced players, so they prefer to sit back against such teams, knowing that they can't really keep up. At least this season, this strategy worked almost flawlessly. But in the cases it doesn't work, it collapses really fast (for example El Classico).
In the final, they weathered the storm for most of the time with great defense and goalkeeping and scored with the only shot at target. That is impressive and Carletto should be praised for his work.
The strategy didn’t work, although perhaps it was the most viable strategy available.
I disagree with this statement. Obviously, it worked.
They did ultimately win after all, Ancelotti and his squad have done a great job.
They were under the cosh a sufficient amount of time all through this competition, and crucially conceded tons of gilt edged chances throughout that I don’t think they got their tactical setup spot on.
If your plan is to concede possession, good goal scoring opportunities and hope to scrape through it’s not a great plan. Villareal were suitably outmatched in playing personnel that I think it’s fair to praise Emery’s game plans as excellent.
In football as in many walks of life there’s a certain results bias. Pep and Klopp can both have made the right calls and still lose
Ours may be the only universe where Real played like this from the Ro16 onwards and won the thing
On May 29 2022 17:25 sharkie wrote: What has liverpool to do about this? Its definitely a huge Problem when a match is delayed for 36 minutes?
Something always seems to happen with Liverpool though, doesn't it?
Imo its a mix of France and Liverpool here. Kicker (German football magazine) is also reporting about it. According to Uefa the fault lies with Liverpool fans with fake tickets and according to British media its French youth jumping the gates. As always I am pretty sure the total truth lies in the middle so a mix of France and Liverpool
That's probably a fair assessment.
We’ll hopefully find out more, I imagine it’s a combination of various things.
With the Euros final it was pretty clear English fans turned up ticketless and were intent on forcing entry, in big numbers.
Here? I dunno. Perhaps a minority of fans tried that method, or perhaps organisational delays, purported flagging of legitimate tickets as fake and a restless crowd forced the issue.
If the various stakeholders could just be honest that would be helpful.
Regardless of what actually happened, the organisation and policing and the fans can’t both be completely blameless. I find it implausible that this game had a tougher job in stewardship than the vast decampment of Rangers and Frankfurt to Seville that passed without incident.
On May 29 2022 19:36 sekishusai wrote: This is the least impressive champion I've seen in years.
In the knock-out stages they beat PSG, Chelsea, Man City, and Liverpool. That is impressive, even if the performances did not look it. For comparison, Liverpool beat Inter, Benfica, and Villareal before losing to Real.
On May 29 2022 17:25 sharkie wrote: What has liverpool to do about this? Its definitely a huge Problem when a match is delayed for 36 minutes?
Something always seems to happen with Liverpool though, doesn't it?
Imo its a mix of France and Liverpool here. Kicker (German football magazine) is also reporting about it. According to Uefa the fault lies with Liverpool fans with fake tickets and according to British media its French youth jumping the gates. As always I am pretty sure the total truth lies in the middle so a mix of France and Liverpool
That's probably a fair assessment.
We’ll hopefully find out more, I imagine it’s a combination of various things.
With the Euros final it was pretty clear English fans turned up ticketless and were intent on forcing entry, in big numbers.
Here? I dunno. Perhaps a minority of fans tried that method, or perhaps organisational delays, purported flagging of legitimate tickets as fake and a restless crowd forced the issue.
If the various stakeholders could just be honest that would be helpful.
Regardless of what actually happened, the organisation and policing and the fans can’t both be completely blameless. I find it implausible that this game had a tougher job in stewardship than the vast decampment of Rangers and Frankfurt to Seville that passed without incident.
personally, i think if you are going to blame the stadium organizers, i would be curious that uefa's statements make no mention of any issues on RM's side. was RM's end perfectly fine? and rep of england fans arent exactly the greatest
another example that manu absolutely has no idea what they are doing, rangnick's consultant role? over before it even began. was ten hag not his choice?
On May 29 2022 19:36 sekishusai wrote: This is the least impressive champion I've seen in years.
In the knock-out stages they beat PSG, Chelsea, Man City, and Liverpool. That is impressive, even if the performances did not look it. For comparison, Liverpool beat Inter, Benfica, and Villareal before losing to Real.
their point still stands. It's a good team underperforming heavily and getting by on a few lucky bounces and some genious individual plays. Not impressive at all.
As Drone (i think it was him in the previous page) pointed out, luck did indeed play a factor in their run.
For all intents and purposes, they should have been eliminated in any of the previous rounds if any sort of fairness existed in the sport.
And let's not even start about how Casemiro managed to escape a red card in the first half of one of those games that would probably completely change one of their miracle recoveries. Sigh.
Was counting on Liverpool but it was not meant to be.
On May 29 2022 17:25 sharkie wrote: What has liverpool to do about this? Its definitely a huge Problem when a match is delayed for 36 minutes?
Something always seems to happen with Liverpool though, doesn't it?
Imo its a mix of France and Liverpool here. Kicker (German football magazine) is also reporting about it. According to Uefa the fault lies with Liverpool fans with fake tickets and according to British media its French youth jumping the gates. As always I am pretty sure the total truth lies in the middle so a mix of France and Liverpool
That's probably a fair assessment.
We’ll hopefully find out more, I imagine it’s a combination of various things.
With the Euros final it was pretty clear English fans turned up ticketless and were intent on forcing entry, in big numbers.
Here? I dunno. Perhaps a minority of fans tried that method, or perhaps organisational delays, purported flagging of legitimate tickets as fake and a restless crowd forced the issue.
If the various stakeholders could just be honest that would be helpful.
Regardless of what actually happened, the organisation and policing and the fans can’t both be completely blameless. I find it implausible that this game had a tougher job in stewardship than the vast decampment of Rangers and Frankfurt to Seville that passed without incident.
personally, i think if you are going to blame the stadium organizers, i would be curious that uefa's statements make no mention of any issues on RM's side. was RM's end perfectly fine? and rep of england fans arent exactly the greatest
another example that manu absolutely has no idea what they are doing, rangnick's consultant role? over before it even began. was ten hag not his choice?
I don’t think Real have quite the culture of travelling support that you see in Britain, or elsewhere in Europe.
I’m not actually blaming the organisers, I don’t feel I’ve seen enough information really. With this, and in any other similar incident I can even vaguely recall, organisers say they did nothing wrong, police say they did nothing wrong, fan groups and clubs say their fans did nothing wrong.
It gets a bit tiresome. Stubborn pride coming before the truth or improving and learning.
Yeah the Ragnick appointment was a fucking disaster. Symptomatic of United in general. The coaching was always the question mark, what Ragnick generally has done very well is build clubs institutionally.
Either appoint him on an interim basis, on the proviso he becomes director of football, or technical director or don’t hire him on an interim basis. All the bad results and performances did was erode his authority, to the degree he can’t then make that move into the back room as smoothly.
Or, appoint a dedicated coach. Or say, not turn your nose up at Antonio Conte for ‘not being United enough’ or whatever reasoning was given.
Players didn’t respond to him, IMO partly because they knew he was departing anyway. At least if he was a confirmed director of football well, players know he’ll have a big influence on their futures.
I still think the idea to bring Ragnick in to rein in the institutional rot was a sensible idea, but horrendously executed. Genuinely baffling club at times
what the fuck at the rangnick situation? his coaching ability aside, its obvious his 6 months have unearthed a shit ton of skeletons at the club. this is 100% the glazers not wanting to deal with the constant humiliation of rangnicks blunt assessments of what a shambles this club is.
It'll be interesting to see what kind of conclusions RM make of their season. La Liga title & UCL title run vs all the top dogs signal an absolute blinder of a season. But then again you look at it and it has relied on Benz being in insane form at 34 years of age, Modric staying world class at 36, Courtois pulling off miracles and barely scraping wins together defying almost all the probabilities and so on. In La Liga both Barca and Atletico had some of their weaker seasons too.
How do you rate a season like that? Results wise it's a almost a 10 out of 10, but at the same time they've seemingly got outplayed in so many games. Any of the multiple keys moment goes different and more competition in La Liga and suddenly it could be a very underwhelming UCL exit and finishing 3rd in La Liga.
I feel like the end of the first Zidane stint felt similar. They didn't play well and probably needed some rebuild, but winning the back-to-back UCLs made everything seem alright. They didn't really properly rebuild, Zidane left and it took them a while to get back to being a top contender.
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