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On May 05 2022 06:43 Malinor wrote:
But anyway, when they won three in a row, all the stars aligned for them again and again and again. It was unbelievable, back then there was also the feeling that they were not 'that' good.
This team just has the same vibe. They seem to be touched by the gods. At this point I would not even bet one Dollar against them.
It was destiny, there is just no way around it. Their path was super hard and they just refused to ever give up.
Real and the CL are just a special bond that is hard to understand rationally.
I think Ancelotti is a genius, the game plan was great. Liverpool just wasn't fresh enough anymore. Just defending and countering them worked out well enough.
Just well deserved. I hope Liverpool gets a second one with this team the next few years. They deserve more.
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Norway28695 Posts
Artosis was an absolute monster today. Kinda expected game tbh - Liverpool looking fairly dominant (didn't see end game stats, but shots was 21-2 in their favor at one point) but RM being more clutch.
Keita had a disaster of an appearance.
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Northern Ireland25862 Posts
I’m tripling down and saying no way Real can win it next year playing like this, consistently :p
In terms of quality, one of the least impressive runs I can remember, for mentality and clutch moments one of the best.
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On May 29 2022 00:55 WombaT wrote:
I’m doubling down after being wrong the previous 3 rounds and backing Liverpool as I don’t think Real are that good
WombaT called it again. This is almost as impressive as Real's run was :D
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 29 2022 06:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Imagine a Spanish club winning the fa cup.
Haha still don't get how that didn't happen silly Man City xd
Still my bet i put on real on semi finals after they beat us at 7.5:1 paid off :D
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On May 29 2022 06:30 sharkie wrote:
So just like I criticized Pep, Klopp imo did the same mistake: playing Thiago from the start made no sense. He doesnt open defenses, he is there to calm a game and bring in consistency - you need him if you go in front.
Firmino, Keita, Joto are all players who can open door (great at 0-0 or if you are behind) and a not fully fit Thiago makes no sense to start. Klopp lost this game before it had even started
Game plan seemed to work fine, Liverpool’s tempo, control and clear cut chances created were all markedly better in the first half.
They lost, I don’t feel it’s because the game plan was bad. Tuchel got it spot on in the second leg after a poor first leg, Pep had it pretty spot on for the majority of that tie and I think Klopp had it largely right here.
Until you actually get a knockout blow this Real is always in with a shot.
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I thought Carvajal had a fantastic game. He didn't 'pocket' Diaz but he handled a very dangerous threat very well.
Courtois easy man of the match. He was colossal.
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On May 29 2022 06:46 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2022 06:30 sharkie wrote:
So just like I criticized Pep, Klopp imo did the same mistake: playing Thiago from the start made no sense. He doesnt open defenses, he is there to calm a game and bring in consistency - you need him if you go in front.
Firmino, Keita, Joto are all players who can open door (great at 0-0 or if you are behind) and a not fully fit Thiago makes no sense to start. Klopp lost this game before it had even started Game plan seemed to work fine, Liverpool’s tempo, control and clear cut chances created were all markedly better in the first half. They lost, I don’t feel it’s because the game plan was bad. Tuchel got it spot on in the second leg after a poor first leg, Pep had it pretty spot on for the majority of that tie and I think Klopp had it largely right here. Until you actually get a knockout blow this Real is always in with a shot.
Any team in the world would have had a first good half against real tonight. They were atrocious and only didnt concede because of super slow midfield of liverpool.
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On May 29 2022 06:50 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2022 06:46 WombaT wrote:On May 29 2022 06:30 sharkie wrote:
So just like I criticized Pep, Klopp imo did the same mistake: playing Thiago from the start made no sense. He doesnt open defenses, he is there to calm a game and bring in consistency - you need him if you go in front.
Firmino, Keita, Joto are all players who can open door (great at 0-0 or if you are behind) and a not fully fit Thiago makes no sense to start. Klopp lost this game before it had even started Game plan seemed to work fine, Liverpool’s tempo, control and clear cut chances created were all markedly better in the first half. They lost, I don’t feel it’s because the game plan was bad. Tuchel got it spot on in the second leg after a poor first leg, Pep had it pretty spot on for the majority of that tie and I think Klopp had it largely right here. Until you actually get a knockout blow this Real is always in with a shot. Any team in the world would have had a first good half against real tonight. They were atrocious and only didnt concede because of super slow midfield of liverpool.
Like basically every game they’ve played against these modern hyper pressing sides?
There’s a reason Real don’t look that hot in portions of these games, they don’t match up particularly well against it. They’ll weather the storm and come up with something, it’s been the pattern of their run.
Keita did almost none of the break the lines running he’s capable of when he was on the pitch anyway, and that was being fresh against tiring legs. I’m not sure what you think he would have done to influence proceedings from the start against fresh ones.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah it does seem that for 45 minutes Real suck vs the press, then all of a sudden they have 45 minutes thats good vs it. vs Chelsea first half stamford bridge they dominated, second half vs city they dominated and second half vs Liverpool they "played better" (wasn't a domination that one though for sure but defo were way better)
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On May 29 2022 06:40 Oukka wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2022 00:55 WombaT wrote:
I’m doubling down after being wrong the previous 3 rounds and backing Liverpool as I don’t think Real are that good WombaT called it again. This is almost as impressive as Real's run was :D
I’ve actually largely been correct in terms of how the matches have gone, I stand by it :p
In all seriousness Real need some smart recruitment to refresh. Camavinga looks a Rolls Royce of a player and I’m sure he’ll become more integral.
Eye test wise, and against the results City and Liverpool look a level above, and City have already strengthened.
That said it’s a cup competition, not a league so there’s some variance possible.
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I don't think that Madrid 'sucks' against high pressing teams or that their first half was 'atrocious'. Their midfield consists of a bunch of veterans and a group of still inexperienced players, so they prefer to sit back against such teams, knowing that they can't really keep up.
At least this season, this strategy worked almost flawlessly. But in the cases it doesn't work, it collapses really fast (for example El Classico).
In the final, they weathered the storm for most of the time with great defense and goalkeeping and scored with the only shot at target. That is impressive and Carletto should be praised for his work.
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One of the reasons Real Madrid is the most valuable Club in Europe.
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Norway28695 Posts
Yep, while having a kick ass goalie and a world class striker with the best season of his life are obvious qualities that should not be disregarded, RM winning the CL this season is partially caused by variance. 'Attempts' is a meaningless statistic when determining 'which side won the game', but it does give some indication of 'who would be favored to win if they played again' (although obviously the aforementioned striker+goalie can make a team outperform their statistics, and counter-attacking teams will normally be more efficient than high pressure ones). Anyway, looking at attempts, we have a 34-24 in PSG's favor, 49-18 in Chelsea's favor, 31-24 in City's favor, and a 23-3 in Liverpool's favor. UEFA also tracks 'clear chances' (basically 'huge chances that didn't turn into goals') - across those 7 games, RM had 2 of these, while Chelsea+PSG+City+Pool had 7 of them.
I'm by no means neglecting that RM has some type of intangible quality to them for this whole run, but luck is a factor in football. RM has been lucky. To be fair, I think most winners normally are at some point (I'll make an exception for Pep's Barcelona and prolly one of the Bayern runs), but I'm reasonably confident this is the first CL winner to have lost the 'attempts' statistic in every single round of the knockout stage.
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On May 29 2022 07:53 Vinekh wrote:
I don't think that Madrid 'sucks' against high pressing teams or that their first half was 'atrocious'. Their midfield consists of a bunch of veterans and a group of still inexperienced players, so they prefer to sit back against such teams, knowing that they can't really keep up.
At least this season, this strategy worked almost flawlessly. But in the cases it doesn't work, it collapses really fast (for example El Classico).
In the final, they weathered the storm for most of the time with great defense and goalkeeping and scored with the only shot at target. That is impressive and Carletto should be praised for his work.
It wasn’t that they sat back and weathered the storm, they got battered, frequently. Even by PSG
The strategy didn’t work, although perhaps it was the most viable strategy available.
Both Chelsea and PSG gifted them completely unforced goals. Man City would have been out of sight with even slightly better finishing.
Mourinho’s 10 men Inter against Barcelona is a keeping it tight masterclass, Real largely failed to keep it tight. Although I think the final was pretty even.
Real’s mentality and incredible moments of individual fortitude are of course to be praised, as is Carlo’s work in cultivating it.
At no point in basically all the knockout stages did Real win any tactical or strategical battle
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On May 29 2022 09:01 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2022 07:53 Vinekh wrote:
I don't think that Madrid 'sucks' against high pressing teams or that their first half was 'atrocious'. Their midfield consists of a bunch of veterans and a group of still inexperienced players, so they prefer to sit back against such teams, knowing that they can't really keep up.
At least this season, this strategy worked almost flawlessly. But in the cases it doesn't work, it collapses really fast (for example El Classico).
In the final, they weathered the storm for most of the time with great defense and goalkeeping and scored with the only shot at target. That is impressive and Carletto should be praised for his work. The strategy didn’t work, although perhaps it was the most viable strategy available.
I disagree with this statement. Obviously, it worked.
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Oh look, Liverpool lost an important game and then create some giant uproar about how unfairly their fans were treated.
Surprise, surprise.
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What has liverpool to do about this? Its definitely a huge Problem when a match is delayed for 36 minutes?
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On May 29 2022 17:25 sharkie wrote:
What has liverpool to do about this? Its definitely a huge Problem when a match is delayed for 36 minutes?
Something always seems to happen with Liverpool though, doesn't it?
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On May 29 2022 17:39 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2022 17:25 sharkie wrote:
What has liverpool to do about this? Its definitely a huge Problem when a match is delayed for 36 minutes? Something always seems to happen with Liverpool though, doesn't it?
Imo its a mix of France and Liverpool here. Kicker (German football magazine) is also reporting about it.
According to Uefa the fault lies with Liverpool fans with fake tickets and according to British media its French youth jumping the gates. As always I am pretty sure the total truth lies in the middle so a mix of France and Liverpool
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