UEFA EURO 2020: England v Denmark Last updated 07/08/2021 12:00
Disciplinary proceedings have been opened following the UEFA EURO 2020 semi-final match between England and Denmark (2-1), played on 7 July at Wembley Stadium, London.
Charges against The Football Association: • Use of laser pointer by its supporters - Article 16(2)(d) of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations (DR) • Disturbance caused by its supporters during the national anthem - Article 16(2)(g) DR • Lighting of fireworks by its supporters - Article 16(2)(c) DR
The case will be dealt with by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body (CEDB) in due course.
UEFA finally noticed that English fans are horrible during the anthems. It took them what, 5 games to notice? Well, at least they've noticed.
Yeah i heard Italy, Denmark, Scotland and like 15,000 other nations that do the booing of the anthem xD
Of course the person with the laser will get banned and criminally prosecuted which is great and the poor girl who was abused online by handful of idiots thankfully the goodness of people raised £35,000 for her in which the family donated to UNICEF on her behalf!
And how does banning him give Denmark justice? The ref was informed during the game (in fact in the first half). It should have been resolved there by discontinuing the match until it was fixed.
It didn’t seem to impact things on the field, in a sporting sense no injustice was done.
On an intent level, and the absolute anathema of good sportsmanship that fan showed, they should be punished for that reason, and banned for those reasons.
I don’t think from the footage I saw that the lazer actually landed on Schmeichel‘s eyes, so it didn’t contribute to some sporting injustice. On the other hand, a fan being willing to potentially cause eye injury, never mind the sporting factor is abhorrent, and they should be banned.
Denmark wasn’t subject to a particular injustice, practically, but the whole concept of sport and what it’s about was.
It didn't impact the penalty (well apparently it didn't, but frankly, we don't know). However, what impact it had the Danish defenders throughout first, second and overtime is undetermined and the fact that the ref was aware that it was happening and did nothing to stop it, even prior to the penalty, does constitute a sporting injustice as well as an injustice against sportsmanship.
EDIT: I really don't understand your argument. It is akin to saying that drunk driving or speeding really isn't a crime unless you crash into someone.
But just to be clear, I am fine with losing to England per se. The Danish lads did brilliantly in my eyes. I am not fine with the way it happened (incompetent ref, diving and flopping) and the shitty fans in the stadium. Sure it might only have been a few (though the boos were certainly from a majority), but hooliganism clearly lives strong.
No my argument was you should be punished for drink driving, even if no harm has been done. Perhaps I worded it badly.
That said I wasn’t aware it was a thing beyond the penalty incident (that it didn’t seem to affect), so perhaps it did have some more effect than I thought.
Agree if it was knowledge amongst match officials that this was occurring that halting proceedings until the individual got turfed out would have been appropriate.
The ref briefly halted the match in the second half (he delayed a free kick or a throw) to confer with the 4.th ref and then some dude in a suit (supposedly and UEFA representative). The Danish commentators noted a few minutes later that it was because of repeated protests by the Danish players, latest Pierre Emil Højbjerg that they were targeted with lasers. What I don't understand is why he 30 seconds later continues the match with the issue unresolved. Clearly it was noticeable enough for complaints to be made and thus had an impact.
He had no choice. UEFA needs them monies. Let's stop pretending UEFA is the good organization, they are corrupted - check the current championship. QED.
Another Dutch referee for the English match, I wonder if this one will be able to survive the diving xD
It's logical if Messi is in La Liga there is higher spectators for the games, and more importantly much more viewers for the games so means more TV money.
Hungary is given a fine (100k euro) and banned from having Hungarian spectators for their next 2 matches for banners and homophobic chants from the crowd.
England is given a fine (30k euro) for a fan literally influencing the semi-final trying to blind multiple Danish players throughout the match (and for pyrotechnics and boohing national anthems).
There is certainly a lesson to be learned here, but I am quite sure I don't like what it is.
On July 10 2021 20:47 Ghostcom wrote: Hungary is given a fine (100k euro) and banned from having Hungarian spectators for their next 2 matches for banners and homophobic chants from the crowd.
England is given a fine (30k euro) for a fan literally influencing the semi-final trying to blind multiple Danish players throughout the match (and for pyrotechnics and boohing national anthems).
There is certainly a lesson to be learned here, but I am quite sure I don't like what it is.
You cannot punish England properly. C'mon. Again, UEFA is all about money. Hungary? They don't care. England? Oooh, dollarydoos! (well, actually, Francs)
You guys are surprised? Remember Man City and UEFA with the financial fair play back in I think 2020? UEFA gets shafted by their greed and it shows a lot.
Not even a little bit surprised to be honest. I would have thought the fine was going to be bigger to make it easier to swallow, but I never expected a fair punishment.
On July 10 2021 22:10 WombaT wrote: Bloomin hell some of you blokes go so over the top sometimes it makes me want to bat for the English!
Yeah its ridiculous. If you believe the European press UEFA had the referee give us a free penalty the other night because something something super league. Its crazy what bitterness can do to a person's ability to be rational.
On July 10 2021 22:20 gTank wrote: What is not rational here? Please explain ...
The whole idea that UEFA wants England to win the Euro. Its stupid. With the thing about the fines, i'm sure there's some specific rules and laws determining what fines are given for what. Homophobia and racism is a big hot topic so i assume you get massive fines for that. Either that or again its a giant UEFA conspiracy designed to save England 70,000 for some reason. They probably don't want to bankrupt us with a 100,000 fine.
On July 10 2021 22:20 gTank wrote: What is not rational here? Please explain ...
The whole idea that UEFA wants England to win the Euro. Its stupid. With the thing about the fines, i'm sure there's some specific rules and laws determining what fines are given for what. Homophobia and racism is a big hot topic so i assume you get massive fines for that. Either that or again its a giant UEFA conspiracy designed to save England 70,000 for some reason. They probably don't want to bankrupt us with a 100,000 fine.
Stop strawmanning. There are likely someone who argues that UEFA wants England to win, but it isn't me - or anyone else in the context of this discussion.
In my opinion the correct punishment would include banning English fans from the stadium for X number of games, however clearly that is never going to happen when the next match is the EC finals in England. However, when you punish something that literally threatens the integrity of the game this lightly, it is going to happen again, and again, and again. The lightness of the punishment was made super obvious by the contrast to the Hungarian punishment - which seems much more in tune with the severity of the deed.
What do you think would be the appropriate punishment in this case where fans have tried to blind opposing players throughout the entire game, including the game deciding penalty?
Haha the anti English is great, European Union president issuing rallying cry for Italy to beat us, Denmark feeling some sense of robbery in a game where they were dominated in and looked second best, but because a laser pointer and booing of a national anthem they were "robbed".....a dodgy penalty which happens in football even though at that point the goal was a matter of time anyway which is quite clear.
Denmark, Germany, Italy, Scotland have all boo'd a national anthem this TOURNAMENT, let alone when you go away from home in qualifiers the away side national anthem is boo'd 99% of the time, but hey England did it and look like their going to win a competition so lets start pointing fingers and nit picking at everything..
Hungary being anti LBGQT for a very long time, is the same as booing a national anthem......ok understood.
On July 10 2021 22:20 gTank wrote: What is not rational here? Please explain ...
The whole idea that UEFA wants England to win the Euro. Its stupid. With the thing about the fines, i'm sure there's some specific rules and laws determining what fines are given for what. Homophobia and racism is a big hot topic so i assume you get massive fines for that. Either that or again its a giant UEFA conspiracy designed to save England 70,000 for some reason. They probably don't want to bankrupt us with a 100,000 fine.
Stop strawmanning. There are likely someone who argues that UEFA wants England to win, but it isn't me - or anyone else in the context of this discussion.
In my opinion the correct punishment would include banning English fans from the stadium for X number of games, however clearly that is never going to happen when the next match is the EC finals in England. However, when you punish something that literally threatens the integrity of the game this lightly, it is going to happen again, and again, and again. The lightness of the punishment was made super obvious by the contrast to the Hungarian punishment - which seems much more in tune with the severity of the deed.
What do you think would be the appropriate punishment in this case where fans have tried to blind opposing players throughout the entire game, including the game deciding penalty?
You don't get banned fans from spectating for one offence, or even a few offences of this minor magnitude. Its a standard 3 strike policy per se, where if you are disciplined multiple times within a period of time you get harsher and harsher punishment. Booing a national anthem is only a gesture of a fine here because everyone else does it, the only legit thing is the laser pointer which was terrible, but UEFA know when English find him he will be bought to justice by being banned from football and potentially criminally prosecuted and jail time given.
You are saying btw that DIRECTLY effected the game yet the keeper saved the pen??? If he didn't dive over the ball and attempt to HOLD onto it, it wouldn't have bounced out back to Kane for a tapin either...Also if this was "all game long" Kasper had the game of his career lol
On July 10 2021 20:26 Sapaio wrote: It's logical if Messi is in La Liga there is higher spectators for the games, and more importantly much more viewers for the games so means more TV money.
Yeah but if Messi leaves, Atletico Madrid become the top club and they have some good names to carry La Liga, it would only be for a couple of years. Surely the money vs actually winning is not even a contest here as surely if Atletico madrid win the next 2 la liga while real and barca re build is going to grow their brand tenfold over the couple hundred thousand from a lesser tv deal?
On July 10 2021 22:20 gTank wrote: What is not rational here? Please explain ...
The whole idea that UEFA wants England to win the Euro. Its stupid. With the thing about the fines, i'm sure there's some specific rules and laws determining what fines are given for what. Homophobia and racism is a big hot topic so i assume you get massive fines for that. Either that or again its a giant UEFA conspiracy designed to save England 70,000 for some reason. They probably don't want to bankrupt us with a 100,000 fine.
Stop strawmanning. There are likely someone who argues that UEFA wants England to win, but it isn't me - or anyone else in the context of this discussion.
In my opinion the correct punishment would include banning English fans from the stadium for X number of games, however clearly that is never going to happen when the next match is the EC finals in England. However, when you punish something that literally threatens the integrity of the game this lightly, it is going to happen again, and again, and again. The lightness of the punishment was made super obvious by the contrast to the Hungarian punishment - which seems much more in tune with the severity of the deed.
What do you think would be the appropriate punishment in this case where fans have tried to blind opposing players throughout the entire game, including the game deciding penalty?
I dunno, it depends on what the rules say. They tend to depend on whether its one fan at one game or whether there's a systemic, ongoing problem. You can argue whether that's right or wrong but that's how it seems to go. That's why racist chants throughout a crowd is punished more harshly than one fan being a prick and endangering players.
Now, if the laser pointer thing happens again despite the punishment i would fully expect the next punishment to be increased.
I think you'll agree that these are all reasonable points, and there's no need to jump straight to a UEFA conspiracy to protect England (which you haven't really done, but others have). England have been punished for their fans and their clubs fans going back decades now, and rightly so.
You are both strawmanning the shit out this discussion. One more and I'm out.
1) I have already acknowledge the England had the better game and just like most other Danes I am fine with having lost the game to England - the way it happened much less so. The penalty in itself was thin, but the events leading up to it were even more dubious and the game should have been stopped.
2) I don't think there is an UEFA conspiracy - I thought as much obvious, but apparently it needs a separate bullet because you keep strawmanning.
3) The laserpointer was all game. Pierre Emil Højbjerg, Simon Kjær and Kasper Schemicel were all affected by it at different stages of the game - and made the ref aware in the very first half that it was an issue. There was even a short break during the start of the second half pertaining to this with the issue remaining unresolved as we could see during the penalty. Whether or not the penalty was initially saved or not doesn't change the facts.
4) It is not a 3 strike policy. Denmark had no history of hooliganism until a guy tried to argue with the ref during a match versus Sweden when a penalty was correctly awarded to Sweden. First strike -> match lost and no fans for the next matches. And that was a fair punishment because threatening the integrity of the game has no place anywhere.
The punishment is incredibly light and likely only so due to the circumstances of the next game. As such I didn't expect otherwise but it does leave me with a feeling of UEFA not taking the game seriously.
On July 10 2021 22:51 Ghostcom wrote: You are both strawmanning the shit out this discussion. One more and I'm out.
1) I have already acknowledge the England had the better game and just like most other Danes I am fine with having lost the game to England - the way it happened much less so. The penalty in itself was thin, but the events leading up to it were even more dubious and the game should have been stopped.
2) I don't think there is an UEFA conspiracy - I thought as much obvious, but apparently it needs a separate bullet because you keep strawmanning.
3) The laserpointer was all game. Pierre Emil Højbjerg, Simon Kjær and Kasper Schemicel were all affected by it at different stages of the game - and made the ref aware in the very first half that it was an issue. There was even a short break during the start of the second half pertaining to this with the issue remaining unresolved as we could see during the penalty. Whether or not the penalty was initially saved or not doesn't change the facts.
4) It is not a 3 strike policy. Denmark had no history of hooliganism until a guy tried to argue with the ref during a match versus Sweden when a penalty was correctly awarded to Sweden. First strike -> match lost and no fans for the next matches. And that was a fair punishment because threatening the integrity of the game has no place anywhere.
The punishment is incredibly light and likely only so due to the circumstances of the next game. As such I didn't expect otherwise but it does leave me with a feeling of UEFA not taking the game seriously.
If you read the EUFA disciplinary regulations there is a specific mitigation which depends on whether or not the club/FA can prove they were not negligent in their arrangements for the match.
So if a fan gets on the pitch then it probably looks like not enough security was present to stop that from happening. I don't know the specifics of the game you're talking about though so I can't say, but that makes sense.
Whereas with a laser pointer its pretty hard to stop that happening, identify the person responsible or find the laser pointer upon entry into the stadium.
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