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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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justanothertownie
16325 Posts
On July 11 2021 01:42 Liquid`Drone wrote: He also mentioned several European teams. I think 'booing the national anthem' resulting in some type of severe punishment sounds ridiculous. The laser pointer should result in severe punishment - but against the individual(s) who did it, not against 'England as a country'. Sure, not disagreeing with anything here. But he can mention whatever he wants - I watched most of the games of this euro and the only times I really noticed booing during anthems was when the english were involved. | ||
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gTank
Austria2607 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On July 10 2021 23:50 Jockmcplop wrote: Seems like you don't want to continue discussing it but... I would imagine there are legal problems with punishing a club or a FA unless they specifically have done something wrong, unless the proof of lack of negligence is at least taken into account officially. Again in theory I agree that a harsh punishment for this kind of thing would work as a deterrent, but I just don't think you can do it, because you can be taken to court for doing so and the law will always side with the club if they can prove they didn't do anything wrong. Legally the club isn't responsible for something a fan has done if it is not something they can reasonably be expected to be able to stop. No problem with discussing with you, just had a crying baby (literally, never seen that much poop from such a small individual). You raise valid points. However, the fact that FA can be fined for it, does imply that they are at least somewhat culpable. So legally they have been deemed responsible and by paying the fine have accepted responsibility. Further, the issue with only really punishing the individual(s) doing it is that: 1) It is unlikely to catch them, making it a huge upside low risk kinda deal 2) It brings no justice to the opposing team that suffered. Sure that idiot can't do it again if they catch him, but due to 1) that is unlikely to happen and even if it does someone else is likely to be willing to run the risk in a high-stakes situation. And the team that suffered from it is out of a tournament (Denmark was likely out regardless, but imagine it happening tomorrow vs Italy). I am not a fan of collective punishment and if you have a better solution I am all ears. However, deterrence seems to be the only option in this case. Also, re booing: some Danish fans booed Finland in the first game, got MASSIVELY slammed the days after (there was made room for that despite the Eriksen incident), and since then no one has booed (at least not to a degree which went through the TV). It shouldn't have happened in the first place, but at least the Danish fans learned from their mistakes and acknowledged it was fucked up and bettered themselves. EDIT: On July 10 2021 23:55 KwarK wrote: Banning all England fans from a stadium over one idiot smells a lot like collective punishment to me. It’s also unenforceable, surely. What’s to stop me going in as an Italy fan? Nothing stops you per se. But it is a fairly common punishment in sports in general, not just football, as it sends a strong signal. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On July 11 2021 01:29 Pandemona wrote: Of course it doesn't make it right and it isn't but it feels like whole of Europe is attacking England for it and turning blind eyes to everything else. Asking for our fans to be banned instantly for booing a national anthem and not making a big fuss when it happens before England do it, the same with laser pointers being a thing, in Copa America all this is happening tenfold but "not as many care" because its the same culprits all the time. There wasn't this much uproar when the English fans were getting mulled in France in the previous Euros when were targeted by half of Europe's "ultras" who just turned up to fight with military style combat gear in targeted attacks which no one stopped haha. England are not in the right here, i am not saying that, we have done some silly things from SECTIONS of fans, but to pnush the 100% for the 10% is harsh, or well punishing might be "ok" if it continues and doesn't stop, but to paint every fan in the country with the same brush for < 10% of fans is just sad state of affairs. I mean head of European Union saying her "heart is with italy" and the Italian media running with stories that Boris Johnson is involved in getting us VAR decisions because of decisions he made with UEFA about cancelling the super league xD On a footballing note, England deserve to be in the final, we beat Germany comfortably, beat everyone we have faced comfortably pretty much, only really looking poor in the Scotland game. Our toughest test on paper is Italy in the final but everything outside of football we are deservedly there competing, our second top 4 finish in two major tournaments! Bit insulting saying you beat Denmark comfortable as it was draw in normal time and you won on dive if you haven't noticed . But if that is comfortable for you. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On July 11 2021 03:03 Sapaio wrote: Bit insulting saying you beat Denmark comfortable as it was draw in normal time and you won on dive if you haven't noticed . But if that is comfortable for you. Well if you watched the game yes, but if you just see the final score and "highlights" of penalty and goals then sure that opinion would be disrespectful... The Danish goal was not a freekick though and then illegal wall movement on top of that if your being pedantic! The Engllish had penalty appeals turned down and finally get one to win a game in which 21 shots and 60% possession vs little in return, like i said if this was a boxing fight it would have been stopped before the 90th minute as nothing was coming back at England. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9840 Posts
Diving is a plague on football and I wish the refs were given more leeway to punish it using VAR. As long as the powers that be don't punish it harshly or often enough that it isn't worth trying it, it will be a part of the game, and every team will have players who dive for penalties, try and get others sent off and generally behave like horrible bastards on the pitch. The only time anyone rages about it is when it works at an important time, but if you are watching for it it happens at least 3 times per game, everywhere in the world. One thing I don't understand is this acceptance we have now in football that mere contact is enough for a foul. As far as I'm concerned if you don't actually knock a player off balance or take the ball illegally it shouldn't be a foul, but we accept that light touches are enough so it makes it really easy for players to dive with the justification that they felt a touch on their leg or ankle. If refs were allowed to use their common sense then any ref could look at the VAR of that and come to the conclusion that any contact was not enough to knock Sterling off the ball and any screaming he did should get him booked. Having said all that, scoreline apart I thought England deserved the win. They were more dominant the longer the game went on after a very even first half maybe slightly in Denmark's favour. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Also hitting people and the hitting players in the head is red cardsin my book so you would have been 10 and Denmark would have won. Never heard of illegal motion in danish goal but you are only person that speak of it, but all says Sterling dived. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
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gTank
Austria2607 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On July 11 2021 04:42 Sapaio wrote: 60% possion vs little in return, what is little and where does the difference between 40% and that go in your fantasy English world go???????? Also hitting people and the hitting players in the head is red cardsin my book so you would have been 10 and Denmark would have won. Never heard of illegal motion in danish goal but you are only person that speak of it, but all says Sterling dived. Oh so Delany is allowed to punch people in the head but not English players? Oh ok, also Delany made 6 fouls that game and was cautioned 0 times, that isn't fair either. Anyway, you clearly think Denmark were the better team and were robbed so that opinion is not going to change. The right two teams are in the final in my book so im going to enjoy bringing it home tomorrow night  | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On July 11 2021 04:42 Sapaio wrote: 60% possion vs little in return, what is little and where does the difference between 40% and that go in your fantasy English world go???????? Also hitting people and the hitting players in the head is red cardsin my book so you would have been 10 and Denmark would have won. Never heard of illegal motion in danish goal but you are only person that speak of it, but all says Sterling dived. It is quite widespread among English fans. They might have a point if not for the fact that the two walls were not at the same depth which means that there was >1meter between them thus making it legal. There is an aerial view where it is quite clear that it was legal, but I cant seem to find it. However as can be seen in the below link the ref even corrected the distance before the free kick ensuring it was in fact legal. https://streamwo.com/Vg680XG | ||
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gTank
Austria2607 Posts
On July 11 2021 05:13 Pandemona wrote: Oh so Delany is allowed to punch people in the head but not English players? Oh ok, also Delany made 6 fouls that game and was cautioned 0 times, that isn't fair either. Anyway, you clearly think Denmark were the better team and were robbed so that opinion is not going to change. The right two teams are in the final in my book so im going to enjoy bringing it home tomorrow night Lol no one is denying that England deserves to be in the finals but cmon man, stop with this whataboutism XD €: you know, being humble and saying "Yeah we were better, the pen was lucky, tough luck but so is football" is completely ok. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On July 11 2021 05:16 gTank wrote: Lol no one is denying that England deserves to be in the finals but cmon man, stop with this whataboutism XD €: you know, being humble and saying "Yeah we were better, the pen was lucky, tough luck but so is football" is completely ok. Works both ways? Gracious in defeat and all that! I was happy we won but trying to defend the "attacks" on English from booing of national anthem to an unjustified penalty is the reason we are where we are is just not fair we are the second best team of this tournament and have more in the tank to hopefully beat the Italians tomorrow. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On July 11 2021 05:13 Pandemona wrote: Oh so Delany is allowed to punch people in the head but not English players? Oh ok, also Delany made 6 fouls that game and was cautioned 0 times, that isn't fair either. Anyway, you clearly think Denmark were the better team and were robbed so that opinion is not going to change. The right two teams are in the final in my book so im going to enjoy bringing it home tomorrow night No I don't think we where better but people saying you beat us comfortable is arrogant. I say wrong penalty won you game. I think Denmark has good chance to win the game but was robed. It's not always the best team wins. It's arrogant that you make it sound like 3-0. I remember English saying possession doesn't mean anything or number of chances does if you win. And apparently diving doesn't mind shit if England wins but you hate on Spanish or Italian football or foreign football in PL. But when English national players does it and win it great. | ||
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gTank
Austria2607 Posts
On July 11 2021 05:20 Pandemona wrote: Works both ways? Gracious in defeat and all that! I was happy we won but trying to defend the "attacks" on English from booing of national anthem to an unjustified penalty is the reason we are where we are is just not fair we are the second best team of this tournament and have more in the tank to hopefully beat the Italians tomorrow. Nah ok I give up sry XD Rather talk some sense in my boots. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26700 Posts
On July 11 2021 00:10 deacon.frost wrote: It's not just that, they were disrespecting the anthems the whole god damn tourney. But some people are defending this because "it's happening elsewhere" ... and some are pretending it's fine. The laser pointer incident is just UEFA ignoring the shit until it escalates even further. Start solving the issues and don't pretend it's not happeneing or the childish "but they;'re doing it too!!!" Like those idiots cannot be silent for a minute. Fair play and respect my ass. Clubs are being punished for their fans chanting stupid stuff. Why they cannot be punished for their fans trying to blind people on the pitch then? Like... what's the difference? Where's the negligance at chanting? Not enough gags? Oh my god save it with the sanctimony already. As much as I am not a fan of certain actions by English fans, this characterisation is preposterous. Hey remember when Italy fans booed Mario Balotelli for reasons totally unrelated to his race? Remember when fans of a Czech club decided to double down over credible accusations of racist abuse? Hell remember all the racist abuse directed at England’s black players when they travelled East in the last half decade Remember the Hungarian anti-gay chants recently? But yeah let’s fucking ban England for the one bloke with the lazer, and the (unsavoury and I’m on record on being hugely disappointed with) booing of anthems. Yeah let’s fucking do that, makes a lot of sense. It’s not like English players haven’t made a concerted stance against racism, backed up by a manager, whose opinions on his acumen may vary but has been a profoundly dignified ambassador for basic human dignity in all his utterances. Ridiculous. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9840 Posts
Anyone watching? So far apart from the goal its not been great. 15 fouls in the first 25 minutes. | ||
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