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Norway28675 Posts
Soft means contact but not enough to make him fall if he wasn't trying to get a penalty. That's different from a 'real dive'- where there is no contact.
Pretty much everyone agrees that it shouldn't have been a penalty. It's more a question of 'how outrageous is it that VAR didn't intervene' - and in this regard, I think 'referees have made bigger mistakes than this, even in this championship, where VAR did not revert the referee decision'. I wish VAR did correct the 70-30 decisions where it goes the way of the 30 - but it seems like they're generally not intervening unless it's significantly 'more wrong' than that.
Other than stuff like offsides or whether the ball crossed the line, referee decisions are subject to personal interpretation. For most situations, a panel of referees watching a situation in slow motion will normally reach the same conclusion, but not even that is completely given. I saw pundits were pretty unanimous in that ya, the Sterling tackle wasn't a penalty. But I also saw ones stating that the tackle of Kane in the first half should've been one. Also - even with this mistake, I still firmly believe that this championship is the one with the by far best refereeing I've ever seen. Yep - Sterling got a penalty which was soft to the point where it was erroneous, but there have been 10+ similar penalties that'd often get called but that in this championship haven't been.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 09 2021 00:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Soft means contact but not enough to make him fall if he wasn't trying to get a penalty. That's different from a 'real dive'- where there is no contact.
Pretty much everyone agrees that it shouldn't have been a penalty. It's more a question of 'how outrageous is it that VAR didn't intervene' - and in this regard, I think 'referees have made bigger mistakes than this, even in this championship, where VAR did not revert the referee decision'. I wish VAR did correct the 70-30 decisions where it goes the way of the 30 - but it seems like they're generally not intervening unless it's significantly 'more wrong' than that.
Other than stuff like offsides or whether the ball crossed the line, referee decisions are subject to personal interpretation. For most situations, a panel of referees watching a situation in slow motion will normally reach the same conclusion, but not even that is completely given. I saw pundits were pretty unanimous in that ya, the Sterling tackle wasn't a penalty. But I also saw ones stating that the tackle of Kane in the first half should've been one. Also - even with this mistake, I still firmly believe that this championship is the one with the by far best refereeing I've ever seen. Yep - Sterling got a penalty which was soft to the point where it was erroneous, but there have been 10+ similar penalties that'd often get called but that in this championship haven't been.
Aw yeah, that tackle on Kane should have been one. Unfortunately for Kane he commited a fould right before that tackle so they didn't have to solve it (if we talk about the same moment)
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Norway28675 Posts
Ya I guess that was the explanation for that one, my bad. 
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Northern Ireland25501 Posts
Godamnit Drone, more sober and sensible analysis from ye, where’s the tribalistic passion?!
Compared to how VAR has really broken up the flow of games, especially in the Premier League this season I’ve absolutely enjoyed the general standard, and clear deliberate approach to referee in this manner.
Games have generally flowed nicely and that (generally) hasn’t been at the expense of terrible decisions.
A real plus point for me anyway in a tournament that, I dunno if it’s just me but has felt a little meh at times in terms of quality and timeless classic matches.
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Northern Ireland25501 Posts
Also Jock are you English? I’d always assume you were a Scot!
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On July 09 2021 02:05 WombaT wrote:
Also Jock are you English? I’d always assume you were a Scot!
Yes I'm English!
Wee Jock McPlop is a blackadder reference 
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Northern Ireland25501 Posts
On July 09 2021 02:11 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2021 02:05 WombaT wrote:
Also Jock are you English? I’d always assume you were a Scot! Yes I'm English! Wee Jock McPlop is a blackadder reference
Having recently binged all of Blackadder I’m not sure how I missed that!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On July 08 2021 21:51 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +UEFA EURO 2020: England v Denmark
Last updated 07/08/2021 12:00
Disciplinary proceedings have been opened following the UEFA EURO 2020 semi-final match between England and Denmark (2-1), played on 7 July at Wembley Stadium, London.
Charges against The Football Association:
• Use of laser pointer by its supporters - Article 16(2)(d) of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations (DR)
• Disturbance caused by its supporters during the national anthem - Article 16(2)(g) DR
• Lighting of fireworks by its supporters - Article 16(2)(c) DR
The case will be dealt with by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body (CEDB) in due course. https://disciplinary.uefa.com/insideuefa/disciplinary/updates/026b-12b4954fdca9-7a91aa789872-1000--uefa-euro-2020-england-v-denmark/UEFA finally noticed that English fans are horrible during the anthems. It took them what, 5 games to notice? Well, at least they've noticed.
Yeah i heard Italy, Denmark, Scotland and like 15,000 other nations that do the booing of the anthem xD
Of course the person with the laser will get banned and criminally prosecuted which is great and the poor girl who was abused online by handful of idiots thankfully the goodness of people raised £35,000 for her in which the family donated to UNICEF on her behalf!
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 09 2021 02:36 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2021 21:51 deacon.frost wrote:UEFA EURO 2020: England v Denmark
Last updated 07/08/2021 12:00
Disciplinary proceedings have been opened following the UEFA EURO 2020 semi-final match between England and Denmark (2-1), played on 7 July at Wembley Stadium, London.
Charges against The Football Association:
• Use of laser pointer by its supporters - Article 16(2)(d) of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations (DR)
• Disturbance caused by its supporters during the national anthem - Article 16(2)(g) DR
• Lighting of fireworks by its supporters - Article 16(2)(c) DR
The case will be dealt with by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body (CEDB) in due course. https://disciplinary.uefa.com/insideuefa/disciplinary/updates/026b-12b4954fdca9-7a91aa789872-1000--uefa-euro-2020-england-v-denmark/UEFA finally noticed that English fans are horrible during the anthems. It took them what, 5 games to notice? Well, at least they've noticed. Yeah i heard Italy, Denmark, Scotland and like 15,000 other nations that do the booing of the anthem xD Of course the person with the laser will get banned and criminally prosecuted which is great and the poor girl who was abused online by handful of idiots thankfully the goodness of people raised £35,000 for her in which the family donated to UNICEF on her behalf!
I wouldn't say other nations don't do it, but certainly not like the Wembley does that. That's on another level - case in point, even UEFA had to start solving the shit how English fans behave.
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On July 09 2021 02:36 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2021 21:51 deacon.frost wrote:UEFA EURO 2020: England v Denmark
Last updated 07/08/2021 12:00
Disciplinary proceedings have been opened following the UEFA EURO 2020 semi-final match between England and Denmark (2-1), played on 7 July at Wembley Stadium, London.
Charges against The Football Association:
• Use of laser pointer by its supporters - Article 16(2)(d) of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations (DR)
• Disturbance caused by its supporters during the national anthem - Article 16(2)(g) DR
• Lighting of fireworks by its supporters - Article 16(2)(c) DR
The case will be dealt with by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body (CEDB) in due course. https://disciplinary.uefa.com/insideuefa/disciplinary/updates/026b-12b4954fdca9-7a91aa789872-1000--uefa-euro-2020-england-v-denmark/UEFA finally noticed that English fans are horrible during the anthems. It took them what, 5 games to notice? Well, at least they've noticed. Yeah i heard Italy, Denmark, Scotland and like 15,000 other nations that do the booing of the anthem xD Of course the person with the laser will get banned and criminally prosecuted which is great and the poor girl who was abused online by handful of idiots thankfully the goodness of people raised £35,000 for her in which the family donated to UNICEF on her behalf!
And how does banning him give Denmark justice? The ref was informed during the game (in fact in the first half). It should have been resolved there by discontinuing the match until it was fixed.
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Northern Ireland25501 Posts
On July 09 2021 03:03 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2021 02:36 Pandemona wrote:On July 08 2021 21:51 deacon.frost wrote:UEFA EURO 2020: England v Denmark
Last updated 07/08/2021 12:00
Disciplinary proceedings have been opened following the UEFA EURO 2020 semi-final match between England and Denmark (2-1), played on 7 July at Wembley Stadium, London.
Charges against The Football Association:
• Use of laser pointer by its supporters - Article 16(2)(d) of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations (DR)
• Disturbance caused by its supporters during the national anthem - Article 16(2)(g) DR
• Lighting of fireworks by its supporters - Article 16(2)(c) DR
The case will be dealt with by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body (CEDB) in due course. https://disciplinary.uefa.com/insideuefa/disciplinary/updates/026b-12b4954fdca9-7a91aa789872-1000--uefa-euro-2020-england-v-denmark/UEFA finally noticed that English fans are horrible during the anthems. It took them what, 5 games to notice? Well, at least they've noticed. Yeah i heard Italy, Denmark, Scotland and like 15,000 other nations that do the booing of the anthem xD Of course the person with the laser will get banned and criminally prosecuted which is great and the poor girl who was abused online by handful of idiots thankfully the goodness of people raised £35,000 for her in which the family donated to UNICEF on her behalf! And how does banning him give Denmark justice? The ref was informed during the game (in fact in the first half). It should have been resolved there by discontinuing the match until it was fixed.
It didn’t seem to impact things on the field, in a sporting sense no injustice was done.
On an intent level, and the absolute anathema of good sportsmanship that fan showed, they should be punished for that reason, and banned for those reasons.
I don’t think from the footage I saw that the lazer actually landed on Schmeichel‘s eyes, so it didn’t contribute to some sporting injustice. On the other hand, a fan being willing to potentially cause eye injury, never mind the sporting factor is abhorrent, and they should be banned.
Denmark wasn’t subject to a particular injustice, practically, but the whole concept of sport and what it’s about was.
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On July 09 2021 03:32 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2021 03:03 Ghostcom wrote:On July 09 2021 02:36 Pandemona wrote:On July 08 2021 21:51 deacon.frost wrote:UEFA EURO 2020: England v Denmark
Last updated 07/08/2021 12:00
Disciplinary proceedings have been opened following the UEFA EURO 2020 semi-final match between England and Denmark (2-1), played on 7 July at Wembley Stadium, London.
Charges against The Football Association:
• Use of laser pointer by its supporters - Article 16(2)(d) of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations (DR)
• Disturbance caused by its supporters during the national anthem - Article 16(2)(g) DR
• Lighting of fireworks by its supporters - Article 16(2)(c) DR
The case will be dealt with by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body (CEDB) in due course. https://disciplinary.uefa.com/insideuefa/disciplinary/updates/026b-12b4954fdca9-7a91aa789872-1000--uefa-euro-2020-england-v-denmark/UEFA finally noticed that English fans are horrible during the anthems. It took them what, 5 games to notice? Well, at least they've noticed. Yeah i heard Italy, Denmark, Scotland and like 15,000 other nations that do the booing of the anthem xD Of course the person with the laser will get banned and criminally prosecuted which is great and the poor girl who was abused online by handful of idiots thankfully the goodness of people raised £35,000 for her in which the family donated to UNICEF on her behalf! And how does banning him give Denmark justice? The ref was informed during the game (in fact in the first half). It should have been resolved there by discontinuing the match until it was fixed. It didn’t seem to impact things on the field, in a sporting sense no injustice was done. On an intent level, and the absolute anathema of good sportsmanship that fan showed, they should be punished for that reason, and banned for those reasons. I don’t think from the footage I saw that the lazer actually landed on Schmeichel‘s eyes, so it didn’t contribute to some sporting injustice. On the other hand, a fan being willing to potentially cause eye injury, never mind the sporting factor is abhorrent, and they should be banned. Denmark wasn’t subject to a particular injustice, practically, but the whole concept of sport and what it’s about was.
It didn't impact the penalty (well apparently it didn't, but frankly, we don't know). However, what impact it had the Danish defenders throughout first, second and overtime is undetermined and the fact that the ref was aware that it was happening and did nothing to stop it, even prior to the penalty, does constitute a sporting injustice as well as an injustice against sportsmanship.
EDIT: I really don't understand your argument. It is akin to saying that drunk driving or speeding really isn't a crime unless you crash into someone.
But just to be clear, I am fine with losing to England per se. The Danish lads did brilliantly in my eyes. I am not fine with the way it happened (incompetent ref, diving and flopping) and the shitty fans in the stadium. Sure it might only have been a few (though the boos were certainly from a majority), but hooliganism clearly lives strong.
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I really have no idea how Barcelona is going to survive this upcoming season
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On July 09 2021 04:07 plasmidghost wrote:I really have no idea how Barcelona is going to survive this upcoming season
Maybe giving up on renewing Messi. But I don't see the club winning too much without him.
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Northern Ireland25501 Posts
On July 09 2021 03:44 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2021 03:32 WombaT wrote:On July 09 2021 03:03 Ghostcom wrote:On July 09 2021 02:36 Pandemona wrote:On July 08 2021 21:51 deacon.frost wrote:UEFA EURO 2020: England v Denmark
Last updated 07/08/2021 12:00
Disciplinary proceedings have been opened following the UEFA EURO 2020 semi-final match between England and Denmark (2-1), played on 7 July at Wembley Stadium, London.
Charges against The Football Association:
• Use of laser pointer by its supporters - Article 16(2)(d) of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations (DR)
• Disturbance caused by its supporters during the national anthem - Article 16(2)(g) DR
• Lighting of fireworks by its supporters - Article 16(2)(c) DR
The case will be dealt with by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body (CEDB) in due course. https://disciplinary.uefa.com/insideuefa/disciplinary/updates/026b-12b4954fdca9-7a91aa789872-1000--uefa-euro-2020-england-v-denmark/UEFA finally noticed that English fans are horrible during the anthems. It took them what, 5 games to notice? Well, at least they've noticed. Yeah i heard Italy, Denmark, Scotland and like 15,000 other nations that do the booing of the anthem xD Of course the person with the laser will get banned and criminally prosecuted which is great and the poor girl who was abused online by handful of idiots thankfully the goodness of people raised £35,000 for her in which the family donated to UNICEF on her behalf! And how does banning him give Denmark justice? The ref was informed during the game (in fact in the first half). It should have been resolved there by discontinuing the match until it was fixed. It didn’t seem to impact things on the field, in a sporting sense no injustice was done. On an intent level, and the absolute anathema of good sportsmanship that fan showed, they should be punished for that reason, and banned for those reasons. I don’t think from the footage I saw that the lazer actually landed on Schmeichel‘s eyes, so it didn’t contribute to some sporting injustice. On the other hand, a fan being willing to potentially cause eye injury, never mind the sporting factor is abhorrent, and they should be banned. Denmark wasn’t subject to a particular injustice, practically, but the whole concept of sport and what it’s about was. It didn't impact the penalty (well apparently it didn't, but frankly, we don't know). However, what impact it had the Danish defenders throughout first, second and overtime is undetermined and the fact that the ref was aware that it was happening and did nothing to stop it, even prior to the penalty, does constitute a sporting injustice as well as an injustice against sportsmanship. EDIT: I really don't understand your argument. It is akin to saying that drunk driving or speeding really isn't a crime unless you crash into someone. But just to be clear, I am fine with losing to England per se. The Danish lads did brilliantly in my eyes. I am not fine with the way it happened (incompetent ref, diving and flopping) and the shitty fans in the stadium. Sure it might only have been a few (though the boos were certainly from a majority), but hooliganism clearly lives strong.
No my argument was you should be punished for drink driving, even if no harm has been done. Perhaps I worded it badly.
That said I wasn’t aware it was a thing beyond the penalty incident (that it didn’t seem to affect), so perhaps it did have some more effect than I thought.
Agree if it was knowledge amongst match officials that this was occurring that halting proceedings until the individual got turfed out would have been appropriate.
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On July 09 2021 04:54 haitike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2021 04:07 plasmidghost wrote:I really have no idea how Barcelona is going to survive this upcoming season Maybe giving up on renewing Messi. But I don't see the club winning too much without him.
Well, at some point they'll have to.
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I am a bit tired of the laser against goalie. Just hope next time Denmark meet England Danish fans can have paint ball guns to shot at english player through out the match, to have small fine afterwards.
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On July 09 2021 05:00 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2021 03:44 Ghostcom wrote:On July 09 2021 03:32 WombaT wrote:On July 09 2021 03:03 Ghostcom wrote:On July 09 2021 02:36 Pandemona wrote:On July 08 2021 21:51 deacon.frost wrote:UEFA EURO 2020: England v Denmark
Last updated 07/08/2021 12:00
Disciplinary proceedings have been opened following the UEFA EURO 2020 semi-final match between England and Denmark (2-1), played on 7 July at Wembley Stadium, London.
Charges against The Football Association:
• Use of laser pointer by its supporters - Article 16(2)(d) of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations (DR)
• Disturbance caused by its supporters during the national anthem - Article 16(2)(g) DR
• Lighting of fireworks by its supporters - Article 16(2)(c) DR
The case will be dealt with by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body (CEDB) in due course. https://disciplinary.uefa.com/insideuefa/disciplinary/updates/026b-12b4954fdca9-7a91aa789872-1000--uefa-euro-2020-england-v-denmark/UEFA finally noticed that English fans are horrible during the anthems. It took them what, 5 games to notice? Well, at least they've noticed. Yeah i heard Italy, Denmark, Scotland and like 15,000 other nations that do the booing of the anthem xD Of course the person with the laser will get banned and criminally prosecuted which is great and the poor girl who was abused online by handful of idiots thankfully the goodness of people raised £35,000 for her in which the family donated to UNICEF on her behalf! And how does banning him give Denmark justice? The ref was informed during the game (in fact in the first half). It should have been resolved there by discontinuing the match until it was fixed. It didn’t seem to impact things on the field, in a sporting sense no injustice was done. On an intent level, and the absolute anathema of good sportsmanship that fan showed, they should be punished for that reason, and banned for those reasons. I don’t think from the footage I saw that the lazer actually landed on Schmeichel‘s eyes, so it didn’t contribute to some sporting injustice. On the other hand, a fan being willing to potentially cause eye injury, never mind the sporting factor is abhorrent, and they should be banned. Denmark wasn’t subject to a particular injustice, practically, but the whole concept of sport and what it’s about was. It didn't impact the penalty (well apparently it didn't, but frankly, we don't know). However, what impact it had the Danish defenders throughout first, second and overtime is undetermined and the fact that the ref was aware that it was happening and did nothing to stop it, even prior to the penalty, does constitute a sporting injustice as well as an injustice against sportsmanship. EDIT: I really don't understand your argument. It is akin to saying that drunk driving or speeding really isn't a crime unless you crash into someone. But just to be clear, I am fine with losing to England per se. The Danish lads did brilliantly in my eyes. I am not fine with the way it happened (incompetent ref, diving and flopping) and the shitty fans in the stadium. Sure it might only have been a few (though the boos were certainly from a majority), but hooliganism clearly lives strong. No my argument was you should be punished for drink driving, even if no harm has been done. Perhaps I worded it badly. That said I wasn’t aware it was a thing beyond the penalty incident (that it didn’t seem to affect), so perhaps it did have some more effect than I thought. Agree if it was knowledge amongst match officials that this was occurring that halting proceedings until the individual got turfed out would have been appropriate.
The ref briefly halted the match in the second half (he delayed a free kick or a throw) to confer with the 4.th ref and then some dude in a suit (supposedly and UEFA representative). The Danish commentators noted a few minutes later that it was because of repeated protests by the Danish players, latest Pierre Emil Højbjerg that they were targeted with lasers. What I don't understand is why he 30 seconds later continues the match with the issue unresolved. Clearly it was noticeable enough for complaints to be made and thus had an impact.
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On July 08 2021 16:42 DropBear wrote:
So Acrofales. No pressure on your choice for fantasy captain for the final
Unless my captain scores 10 goals, mahrgell has solidly won the league. I was hoping for some semifinals magic, but it was not to be. We also kinda bet on the same "dark horse" players like Dani Olmo and Emerson, so there wasn't much wiggle room already.
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