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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 26 2020 17:35 GMT
#4141
Wish he was Torres 2.0, Torres gets hate but the guy scored 30 goals in one season for us when we won Europa league and won us that corner which changed the WORLD against Bayern in the Allianz, so im happy with that investment xD


But yes none of those goals were physical but i only see the freekick which he should have attempted to save and maybe get to, outside of that genuinely which goals could he have saved or should have? Winjaldum shoots from 6 yards out from corner, Chamberlin final goal is tap in counter rifled in btw, Keita is a worldy and then its the freekick. But there is that video of the whole dfence shooting at him when he doesnt come for a cross which is his issue.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-26 17:52:56
July 26 2020 17:50 GMT
#4142
They might want to figure out their goalkeeper situation before anything else.



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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
July 26 2020 23:29 GMT
#4143
lol so many poor souls ...

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Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
July 27 2020 00:01 GMT
#4144
Ehey ManU ended in champions league after all! Didn't look too bright for us for long stints of the season, but Leicester managed to somehow fall from surefire third to fifth.

Also won my friends FPL league! My first season playing it, too. Was there a TL FPL mini-league for this season's premier league? and if not, would folk be keen for one for next season?
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8930 Posts
July 27 2020 04:14 GMT
#4145
good seasons from both chelsea and utd.
i was hoping wed scrape 4th but to get 3rd (even if its only on gd) is a very good result, especially considering the fact that we were pretty far away from 4th in january.
hoping next season is much more close in terms of the top teams contending because i dont wanna see another season of liverpool vs city.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4437 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-27 06:43:59
July 27 2020 06:43 GMT
#4146

West Ham United are delighted to confirm the permanent signing of Tomáš Souček from Slavia Prague on a four-year contract for €21 million.

The 25-year-old has been an outstanding performer since initially arriving at London Stadium in January. The Czech Footballer of the Year has produced a series of superb all-round displays and scored three important Premier League goals since the restart in June.

Already a firm favourite among the Claret and Blue Army and his teammates alike, Souček is relishing the opportunity to continue his career with the Club.

Source: West Ham official website

I think this guy has been really good and while he's not talked about much, would have to be one of the most important signings in the EPL this season. Gave the Hammers the combative big fella they were really missing. Personally I think Declan Rice is overrated as all hell and without Soucek West Ham might have gone down.

Also, Watford sacking their third manager of the season with 2 games to go went about as well as expected. Gino Pozzo is a cretin
Sucker for nostalgia
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
July 27 2020 11:59 GMT
#4147
On July 27 2020 13:14 evilfatsh1t wrote:
good seasons from both chelsea and utd.
i was hoping wed scrape 4th but to get 3rd (even if its only on gd) is a very good result, especially considering the fact that we were pretty far away from 4th in january.
hoping next season is much more close in terms of the top teams contending because i dont wanna see another season of liverpool vs city.

Here here.

I don’t personally see it happening, but that remains to be seen. Especially if City win the CL this year and tick that box they’ll be chomping at the bit to get their title back.

Could see one of the two having an off season but not having both, and even City having a relatively off season this time around they were miles clear.

As a neutral it is definitely something I’d love to see though.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28911 Posts
July 27 2020 13:15 GMT
#4148
If looking only at the 14 games since february (which might seem arbitrary, but really isn't, because it's when united signed Fernandes and they looked like an entirely different team since), the top 4 teams of the league are, in order:

United, 9-5-0 (32 points)
City, 10-0-4 (30 points)
Liverpool, 9-2-3 (29 points)
Chelsea, 8-2-4 (26 points)

I mean, Liverpool still ended up 33 points ahead of United and Chelsea overall - it's very plausible they would have done better at the end if they really needed more points, and City's top level (their goal difference for the 10 post covid-games is 34-4) still seems to be a notch above the rest. While I still think it's overwhelmingly likely that City or Liverpool wins next season too, it's not outlandish to picture United or Chelsea mounting a challenge.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18762 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-27 13:34:48
July 27 2020 13:33 GMT
#4149
Well I think United is one of the teams which profited the most from lack of fans in stadium as they really have problems when pressure is on them (e.g. from their own and other fans).

For me it would be unthinkable for United to mount a challenge. Same with Chelsea unless they buy a keeper/defenders/defensive midfielder.

City and Liverpool are just miles ahead of the opposition. City will need a better defense though
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
July 27 2020 15:59 GMT
#4150
On July 27 2020 22:33 sharkie wrote:
Well I think United is one of the teams which profited the most from lack of fans in stadium as they really have problems when pressure is on them (e.g. from their own and other fans).

For me it would be unthinkable for United to mount a challenge. Same with Chelsea unless they buy a keeper/defenders/defensive midfielder.

City and Liverpool are just miles ahead of the opposition. City will need a better defense though

So since you where the Nostradamus about City regressing and Liverpool staying the same/improving last year. I've been reading a lot of (fan) takes that would bet on Liverpool dropping of a cliff, if they indeed do not improve the depth/quality of their squad again. Throw lack of motivation into it too, because they won it all.
Your prediction on that?
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 27 2020 17:06 GMT
#4151
I hope that happens but also think they won't get near their points total from this season. They will be lucky to see 80 points area as they are losing players, rumoured no money to spend and need to bring players in. Mane is now 30 who is by far their best goal scorer with if anything happens to Firminho they are in trouble.

Motivation is huge and they have now won the champs league somehow and now the premier league, to make a dynasty you have to be bringing in good players if not world class players to continue this hunger and desire. Henderson is a broken glass right now who is in trouble which leaves leaders like Van Dijk only to try and drag them through. If they bring in 4-5 quality players then i will have to retract this but i don't think they will and i think they will struggle to get to the level they are at now. Not to say that 80 points won't be enough to win next season if City still have no defense and Yanited and Chelsea have not closed the gap enough.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18762 Posts
July 27 2020 18:18 GMT
#4152
On July 28 2020 00:59 sneirac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2020 22:33 sharkie wrote:
Well I think United is one of the teams which profited the most from lack of fans in stadium as they really have problems when pressure is on them (e.g. from their own and other fans).

For me it would be unthinkable for United to mount a challenge. Same with Chelsea unless they buy a keeper/defenders/defensive midfielder.

City and Liverpool are just miles ahead of the opposition. City will need a better defense though

So since you where the Nostradamus about City regressing and Liverpool staying the same/improving last year. I've been reading a lot of (fan) takes that would bet on Liverpool dropping of a cliff, if they indeed do not improve the depth/quality of their squad again. Throw lack of motivation into it too, because they won it all.
Your prediction on that?


At the moment with all their teams and their current squads I say its an easy prediction to say neither City and Liverpool would reach the high 90s as City just has horrible defense and Liverpool won't have the same drive as they did this season.

But I would still rate Liverpool > City because Liverpool's back 5 is just so good that it continue to win titles (if not league titles, then cups). You know what they say about defense in football. So Liverpool would finish mid to high 80s, City with high 70s and Chelsea/Utd not much more points than they got now.

Mo Salah wasted so many good opportunities the last 7 games of Liverpool and also Liverpool had all their bad luck delievered they managed to avoid the first half of the season. I actually watched all of Liverpool's game and I didnt see too much of a quality loss, its just that last 5-10% which was missing. Liverpool still have the best current starting 11 in the world. So I could see Liverpool winning the title in the last 2-3 games against City next season. But thats with current state.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28911 Posts
July 27 2020 19:15 GMT
#4153
Can't picture Liverpool getting fewer than 80 points next season.

Chelsea is still the only current PL club to have won the league and gotten more than 20 points fewer in the following season (which they did twice. ) So I get why pande might think it happens often, but it's a real rarity.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 27 2020 20:48 GMT
#4154
Its rare to get 90 points....not to get 80 lol

The competitiveness in the league has not been there which is the main issue, Yanited and Chelsea showing they coming back and City are free to use their warchest.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-27 21:01:58
July 27 2020 20:59 GMT
#4155
On July 28 2020 04:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Can't picture Liverpool getting fewer than 80 points next season.

Chelsea is still the only current PL club to have won the league and gotten more than 20 points fewer in the following season (which they did twice. ) So I get why pande might think it happens often, but it's a real rarity.


I think whats gone under the radar a bit. Is that 9 losses is a pretty pathetic return for a team thts scored over a 100 goals and only let in 2 goals more than liverpool.

City's main problem really has been losing Laporte and not realizing that their combos without him are extremely suspect.

Nearly all of their 9 loses had a combo that included Stones/Otamendi/Fernandinho. Out of whome the only one thats actually ended up being somewhat reliable during those games was Fernandinho.

If you were to boil it down thats probably the most critical error. Not having cover for Laporte and Stones being a complete flop, but a flop that has cost them points over the season. I think that Eric Garcia kid has shown some promise and its probably the area they will look to address the most. I expect 9 of those loses to be converted into about 6 wins next season if they can fix that problem alone.

Liverpool did alot of good things this year, Including the standard championship team hallmark (in my opinion) of finding ways to win games when they werent playing well. Alot 1-0's, 2-1's. They rarely blew teams out of the water like City do. But that doesnt mean anything. Aside from some speculation on a teams ceiling and accent how danger they are against weaker teams.

Consistency is rather obviously the highest value currency for league play.

I think they can do it again. No reason why they cant. And there is no reason both teams cant hit 90+ points again either.



Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-28 05:20:24
July 28 2020 03:29 GMT
#4156
On July 28 2020 02:06 Pandemona wrote:
I hope that happens but also think they won't get near their points total from this season. They will be lucky to see 80 points area as they are losing players, rumoured no money to spend and need to bring players in. Mane is now 30 who is by far their best goal scorer with if anything happens to Firminho they are in trouble.

Motivation is huge and they have now won the champs league somehow and now the premier league, to make a dynasty you have to be bringing in good players if not world class players to continue this hunger and desire. Henderson is a broken glass right now who is in trouble which leaves leaders like Van Dijk only to try and drag them through. If they bring in 4-5 quality players then i will have to retract this but i don't think they will and i think they will struggle to get to the level they are at now. Not to say that 80 points won't be enough to win next season if City still have no defense and Yanited and Chelsea have not closed the gap enough.


Just saying Mane is 28 but even if he was 30 it wouldn't make much of a difference, him and Salah are crazy fit.

I could see Liverpool dropping off abit if they don't spend much this window, but you never know. What Klopp has done with the resources he has is amazing and there might be 2-3 current players stepping up to fill the gap next season.

City are still a terrific team and if they reinforce their backline would be very dangerous. Same for Chelsea if they get a new keeper and defender.

United if they get Sancho + a backup attacking mid for Bruno would be very good as well.

Exciting next season!

nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-28 04:40:03
July 28 2020 04:39 GMT
#4157
On July 27 2020 22:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
If looking only at the 14 games since february (which might seem arbitrary, but really isn't, because it's when united signed Fernandes and they looked like an entirely different team since), the top 4 teams of the league are, in order:

United, 9-5-0 (32 points)
City, 10-0-4 (30 points)
Liverpool, 9-2-3 (29 points)
Chelsea, 8-2-4 (26 points)

I mean, Liverpool still ended up 33 points ahead of United and Chelsea overall - it's very plausible they would have done better at the end if they really needed more points, and City's top level (their goal difference for the 10 post covid-games is 34-4) still seems to be a notch above the rest. While I still think it's overwhelmingly likely that City or Liverpool wins next season too, it's not outlandish to picture United or Chelsea mounting a challenge.

Interesting stats however the difference between a 14-15 game run and a whole 38-game season is huge. It was a good run towards the end of the season from the United boys, but doing so for almost triple the amount of games is a vastly different task. Take Leicester last season as an example, they were pretty much given 3rd place until couple of key injuries took it away in a heartbeat. Even with incoming signings, United, Chelsea or Spurs all lack the consistent quality demanded to seriously challenge the title. Both United and Chelsea are still in the early phases of rebuilding, yes they might have a good couple of runs but clocking up 85+ points to contest the crown is a very big ask. I personally think next season will be somewhat of a repeat with Liverpool and City miles ahead of the rest at the mid-way point. City should still be serious about winning next year given they didn't win this year and Klopp doesn't seem like the kind of manager who will be distracted by past success.
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
July 28 2020 06:20 GMT
#4158
Can I introduce Craig Burley to this conversation. The main take away from his rant is that Manchester have not got better at all. They finished on 66 points last season and that was only good enough for 6th. They finished on 66 points this season and that was good enough for 3rd.

So essentially his argument is they haven't got any better at all the teams around them have got worse and they are still 30 odd points of winning the title. Hard to argue with that. In my eyes Yanited have looked a lot better at the end of this season. So maybe they are going in the right direction now. But despite that improvement they didn't even beat last seasons points total you can't really argue they are better than last year.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4437 Posts
July 28 2020 06:22 GMT
#4159
On July 28 2020 02:06 Pandemona wrote:
I hope that happens but also think they won't get near their points total from this season. They will be lucky to see 80 points area as they are losing players, rumoured no money to spend and need to bring players in. Mane is now 30 who is by far their best goal scorer with if anything happens to Firminho they are in trouble.

I don't understand why you think turning 30 is such a huge problem for Mane, you've mentioned it before.
Sucker for nostalgia
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18762 Posts
July 28 2020 06:50 GMT
#4160
I think some people overestimate City's 100 goals this season. Almost 40 of them came after the lockdown break? Against relegation teams or teams that did not care about the game (liverpool, burnley, brighton) and also without fans. City did not have a good season and its not just Laporte who was missing. A few 4-0 results towards the end of the season apparently can hide their bad performances.

City are missing a leader on the field - Kompany was that person. Henderson is that person for Liverpool and you notice their dip in form when he is not available.
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