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Midfield battle looks awesome with great results from Tsunoda and Magnusson | ||
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Penev
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Ppl please stop fucking up this man's pit stops already. | ||
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Ben...
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Credit to Vettel, Magnussen and Tsunoda, who all had pretty good races. Aston must be happy with double points. Credit to Albon as well for managing P11 on merit in that Williams, all while keeping much faster cars behind for a large portion of the race. I'm not sure how he did it as Gasly looked much faster than him at times. I'm not sure what was going on with Hamilton. Russell just looked better than him all weekend. Russell did a couple relatively tough passes while Hamilton didn't manage to do any passing on cars slower than those Russell was up against. Hamilton just looks lost right now. | ||
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Laurens
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Russell went straight to 6th at the start and then only passed KMAG for the rest of the race. How he was able to pass KMAG while HAM can't even pass Gasly (with or without DRS) is a good question still, but these 'couple of relatively tough passes' didn't happen iirc  Last year I would've been super excited about this result, this year I'm doing F1 Fantasy with friends and I just removed Max from my roster this week in favour of triple Ferrari lmao. I find that Fantasy makes me more invested but also more frustrated, probably not joining a league again. | ||
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edit: Jeez, Russell talked in an interview about how by the end of the race he was having some pretty severe back and chest pain from the porpoising. There's been increasing talk of the concerns of the health impacts that porpoising could have on drivers, especially with regard to micro-concussions since their heads are bouncing around so much now. I do think that if it's not under control by later in the year they're going to have to put something in the regulations to solve it for the teams. Between the bouncing becoming most severe and destabilizing at high speeds and the potential health issues it could cause drivers, I could see them wanting to be rid of it soon purely from a safety perspective. | ||
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On April 25 2022 07:31 Excludos wrote: Yeah. The only thing really keeping teams from fixing porpoising right now is greed. It's easy to get rid of by raising the car a little bit, but of course, then you'd lose straight line speed, so it's understandable that the teams don't want to do that unless someone forces their hand. It's interesting how RB had the highest straight line speed today and didn't porpoise, while Ferrari had their worst weekend yet, bouncing up and down like a jojo. I think the FIA needs to send out a directive for driver safety. Periodic vertical movement of the driver, as measured by the G sensor, at any amount of fuel or speed must not exceed 1G(I think that's a reasonable value). Frequency by itself is unsafe for driving, but it isn't inherently dangerous to the driver. Punishment wise, for a 2 race period, any excess will be noted, however no action will be taken. Afterwards, I think it should be a stacking fine for the team ($1000, +$1000 for each future offense). Goal is just to cap the maximum amplitude to an amount that would be similar to other activities. | ||
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Belisarius
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Imo they're more likely to adjust the minimum ride height or the spec for the floor or something, probably destroying a bunch of downforce in the process. Mandating input is much easier than monitoring output. | ||
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On April 25 2022 01:28 Ben... wrote: I'm not sure what was going on with Hamilton. Russell just looked better than him all weekend. Russell did a couple relatively tough passes while Hamilton didn't manage to do any passing on cars slower than those Russell was up against. Hamilton just looks lost right now. They were on different set ups as Mercedes still doesn't know what is their optimal setup is. And Russell got the better end this week. But he is still performing better overall. Hamilton is having his usual slow start to the season and I do expect him to get better as the season goes on | ||
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On April 25 2022 09:57 Amui wrote: I think the FIA needs to send out a directive for driver safety. Periodic vertical movement of the driver, as measured by the G sensor, at any amount of fuel or speed must not exceed 1G(I think that's a reasonable value). Frequency by itself is unsafe for driving, but it isn't inherently dangerous to the driver. Punishment wise, for a 2 race period, any excess will be noted, however no action will be taken. Afterwards, I think it should be a stacking fine for the team ($1000, +$1000 for each future offense). Goal is just to cap the maximum amplitude to an amount that would be similar to other activities. $1000..? That's practically nothing in F1 xD You'd need to start at the $100k mark to make teams even bother taking note | ||
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bluzi
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On April 25 2022 09:57 Amui wrote: I think the FIA needs to send out a directive for driver safety. Periodic vertical movement of the driver, as measured by the G sensor, at any amount of fuel or speed must not exceed 1G(I think that's a reasonable value). Frequency by itself is unsafe for driving, but it isn't inherently dangerous to the driver. Punishment wise, for a 2 race period, any excess will be noted, however no action will be taken. Afterwards, I think it should be a stacking fine for the team ($1000, +$1000 for each future offense). Goal is just to cap the maximum amplitude to an amount that would be similar to other activities. If the FIA wants to end the season ,crowning red bull as the champs , sure , that would be the way to go , the teams are working on a fix and they all will solve it as it costs them performance. On the race , the DRS got enabled wayyyy too late , Charles would've gotten Perez with DRS when he had the tires , but then after trying several times without it he ruined them enough to stay back , without DRS there is NO chance to make a pass at Imola unless you are on a different strategy or MEGA pace difference. Charles although unlucky went all in when it really was redundant to do in this mixed conditions , I hope he will learn from it as he wages a championship campaign , he was lucky to get the 8 points that he did. | ||
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On April 25 2022 22:57 bluzi wrote: On the race , the DRS got enabled wayyyy too late , Charles would've gotten Perez with DRS when he had the tires , but then after trying several times without it he ruined them enough to stay back , without DRS there is NO chance to make a pass at Imola unless you are on a different strategy or MEGA pace difference. Not sure that would have been possible in either case, once they got on the slicks. The outside was still wet, and any attempts at passing would be risky at best. He had the speed for it several times, and reasonably decided to hang back instead | ||
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On April 25 2022 23:11 Excludos wrote: Not sure that would have been possible in either case, once they got on the slicks. The outside was still wet, and any attempts at passing would be risky at best. He had the speed for it several times, and reasonably decided to hang back instead It was really annoying listening to Croft talk for several laps about how DRS needed to be enabled when it was clear that everything outside the racing line on the track was still way too wet for cars on slicks to be driving on safely. Had they enabled DRS when Croft was saying they should have they probably would have either not seen any passes anyways because it was too wet or seen a crash similar to Bottas and Russell last year. I think it's going to take everyone, the commentary people included, some time to get used to the new race directors. They seem to take safety much more seriously than Masi did so it's likely we're going to be see them do things a bit more slowly and with more consideration than how things were done under Masi. The new team is still finding their feet and it seems like they might be a bit too cautious at times, but I'd rather that than some of the situations Masi caused by being too cavalier with safety. side note: Croft goes from being a bad commentator to being even worse when Brundle's not there. Brundle seems to be the only one willing to call Croft out when he goes off on a dumb tangent or says something completely wrong. Between Croft being extra annoying and their inclusion of Nico Rosberg's sensationalist bullshit, I almost watched the second half of the race muted. I'm half of the mind right now to sign up for F1TV just so I can get the alternate commentary because Sky's is getting worse and worse, especially as Brundle goes to fewer races. | ||
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RKC
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Why do teams only uncover certain critical technical defects once race season begins? Especially the whole 'porpoising' problem this season. Don't the teams test their latest cars at race circuits in all types of simulated conditions during pre-season? I'm sure the test drivers even run the car through the whole 50-70 laps? | ||
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On April 26 2022 22:27 RKC wrote: Sorry, F1 noob here, so pardon my ignorance. Why do teams only uncover certain critical technical defects once race season begins? Especially the whole 'porpoising' problem this season. Don't the teams test their latest cars at race circuits in all types of simulated conditions during pre-season? I'm sure the test drivers even run the car through the whole 50-70 laps? Some problems are just difficult to find out until you race other people. Other problems, like porpoising, was well known about from even before the first preseason testing. It just isn't all that easy to fix while keeping yourself competitive. The issue stems from the aero pushing the car too low on the straights, which makes ground effect lose its vacuum, releasing the car higher, only to start the process of sucking it down again. Raising the ride height does solve this easily, but then you simply have less aero, and your car becomes slower in fast corners (it also has other effects, like increasing body roll, making the car more oversteery) The CFD simulation (Computational Fluid Dynamics), which all teams run before pre-season testing, doesn't pick up on that interaction. They all knew it was going to be a problem, because Indycar also had to go through this exact phase, but it wasn't something they could fix before getting the car onto the track. Most teams have managed to work in a 'good enough' solution by now, except Ferrari and Mercedes. The latter gave themselves a huge disadvantage by completely redesigning their car between pre-season test 1 and 2, in effect giving themselves weeks of disadvantage compared to the other teams, while Ferrari has gotten better over time, but had a horrible setup this weekend due to only having 1 practice session (because of the sprint format), which was wet. They practically had to guess their setup, and missed. | ||
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RKC
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On April 27 2022 00:29 Excludos wrote: Some problems are just difficult to find out until you race other people. Other problems, like porpoising, was well known about from even before the first preseason testing. It just isn't all that easy to fix while keeping yourself competitive. The issue stems from the aero pushing the car too low on the straights, which makes ground effect lose its vacuum, releasing the car higher, only to start the process of sucking it down again. Raising the ride height does solve this easily, but then you simply have less aero, and your car becomes slower in fast corners (it also has other effects, like increasing body roll, making the car more oversteery) The CFD simulation (Computational Fluid Dynamics), which all teams run before pre-season testing, doesn't pick up on that interaction. They all knew it was going to be a problem, because Indycar also had to go through this exact phase, but it wasn't something they could fix before getting the car onto the track. Most teams have managed to work in a 'good enough' solution by now, except Ferrari and Mercedes. The latter gave themselves a huge disadvantage by completely redesigning their car between pre-season test 1 and 2, in effect giving themselves weeks of disadvantage compared to the other teams, while Ferrari has gotten better over time, but had a horrible setup this weekend due to only having 1 practice session (because of the sprint format), which was wet. They practically had to guess their setup, and missed. Thanks for the insight! In short, teams are partly to blame by trying to push the limits of their car design and take on huge risk. Of course, going the extra mile (pun intended) is all part of fighting for the championship. But it's slightly concerning that driver safety may be put at greater risk due to all this last-minute experimentation. The porpoise problem seems containable so far. But from what I've seen and read, a car that bounces uncontrollably at high speed just seems, well, unsettling. | ||
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On April 27 2022 01:14 RKC wrote: Thanks for the insight! In short, teams are partly to blame by trying to push the limits of their car design and take on huge risk. Of course, going the extra mile (pun intended) is all part of fighting for the championship. But it's slightly concerning that driver safety may be put at greater risk due to all this last-minute experimentation. The porpoise problem seems containable so far. But from what I've seen and read, a car that bounces uncontrollably at high speed just seems, well, unsettling. Yeah, basically the teams can choose between having comfortable drivers, or a competitive car. Their whole existence in F1 is to be competitive, so driver comfort takes a back seat unless FIA forces the team's hands. Driver safety is harder to quantify. It doesn't seem like porpoising have any significant effect on the risk of crashes, but there is talks about the higher ones potentially causing micro concussions, which is almost impossible to prove one way or another without first subjecting drivers of it over the span of multiple years and see who comes out more brain damaged. Seeing as most teams have already managed to solve it, I'll bet this whole thing is going to become a non-issue within not too long of a time | ||
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