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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 26 2022 19:44 GMT
#2101
The other thing about porpoising is they can't uncover it in the wind tunnel. Doing so would mean running ride heights low enough to scrape the wind tunnel, which can be season ending if it doesn't get repaired perfectly.

It might not even show up in CFD, if the initial ride height is semi-stable according to CFD, however a bump on the straight that triggers a brief diffuser stall causes the oscillations to start.
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4572 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-06 15:01:38
May 06 2022 15:01 GMT
#2102
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/ujlpz8/power_and_drag_estimation_ferrari_vs_redbull_vs/

For the people out there who loves such stuff


And its GP weekend! This timezone is badddddd for Asia
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-06 22:40:09
May 06 2022 22:38 GMT
#2103
It's only practice but it does appear that the upgrades Mercedes brought have fixed some of their issues. They now appear to be up there with Ferrari and Red Bull and their car seems better from the onboards I've seen. It's still bouncing a lot but not like they were before. They also brought a new rear wing that's supposed to help with their drag issues. We'll have to see tomorrow though whether that form continues once engines are turned up.

Sainz continuing his trend of crashing every weekend. Yikes. So many unforced errors.

I'm not so sure about this track so far. That section near the end of the lap they talked up constantly the last couple weeks has not been all that great. It's like that section in Baku but without the risk of wrecking a car if you screw up and it kinda just ruins the flow of the lap. These cars are so big and heavy that they don't really flow through that section well at all so in reality they just have to slow down a bunch and trundle through a couple corners awkwardly.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 07 2022 02:05 GMT
#2104
On May 07 2022 07:38 Ben... wrote:
It's only practice but it does appear that the upgrades Mercedes brought have fixed some of their issues. They now appear to be up there with Ferrari and Red Bull and their car seems better from the onboards I've seen. It's still bouncing a lot but not like they were before. They also brought a new rear wing that's supposed to help with their drag issues. We'll have to see tomorrow though whether that form continues once engines are turned up.

Sainz continuing his trend of crashing every weekend. Yikes. So many unforced errors.

I'm not so sure about this track so far. That section near the end of the lap they talked up constantly the last couple weeks has not been all that great. It's like that section in Baku but without the risk of wrecking a car if you screw up and it kinda just ruins the flow of the lap. These cars are so big and heavy that they don't really flow through that section well at all so in reality they just have to slow down a bunch and trundle through a couple corners awkwardly.

This year's car is just really bad at slow corners because it's heavier and has worse mechanical grip.

They definitely look notably slower through that section than last year.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-07 12:48:18
May 07 2022 12:18 GMT
#2105
On May 07 2022 11:05 Amui wrote:
They definitely look notably slower through that section than last year.


Ah yeah, the famous 2021 Miami GP? ;P
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
May 07 2022 13:24 GMT
#2106
Amui been travelling through time too much and got confused?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4572 Posts
May 07 2022 16:28 GMT
#2107
Vettel wearing his underwear outside like Superman while Hamilton wearing a shit ton of jewellery with 3 watches.

Both veterans taking the piss out of the race director's notes



I agree with the notes with regards to jewellery though =/
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-07 16:32:43
May 07 2022 16:32 GMT
#2108
On May 08 2022 01:28 LennX wrote:
Vettel wearing his underwear outside like Superman while Hamilton wearing a shit ton of jewellery with 3 watches.

Both veterans taking the piss out of the race director's notes



I agree with the notes with regards to jewellery though =/


From an objective point of view, it's a completely reasonable safety measure that should have been implemented years ago. But I can appreciate making fun of the RD for it anyways.
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
May 07 2022 17:11 GMT
#2109
Hamilton had a point in one regard: the piercings he mentioned that are welded and difficult to remove are all tiny ones that are non-magnetic metals and haven't stopped him from getting imaging done in the past. The RD's argument for why jewelry is banned is partly that they don't want it to interfere with imaging in event a driver is rushed to the hospital. So from that perspective I can see why Hamilton might be annoyed about this.

At the same time though, I totally get why the race directors are enforcing this now. If it's true that some drivers were wearing clothes that aren't fireproof or heat-safe under their fire suits then that is an issue. They wouldn't want someone's clothes melting and making matters worse when it comes to medical care. Same with wearing rings and necklaces. We all saw what happened to Grosjean's hand in his crash. If he had been wearing a ring it might have been a much different situation.

On a different note, it sounds like the track is having big issues. Not the event but the track itself. The people who laid out the tarmac didn't do a particularly great job and they've been having to patch it a whole bunch because the track is literally falling apart. Hamilton also mentioned that the track is very uneven and bumpy, which should not be the case with a brand new track. Drivers have been complaining about the track having no grip and apparently that is partly caused by the gravel mixed in the tarmac moving a bit. Apparently when some cars are going over bits of the track chunks of gravel from the tarmac are launching up behind them.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
May 07 2022 17:39 GMT
#2110
I guess that Carlos Sainz favourite music Album is the Wall by pink floyd
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
May 07 2022 18:12 GMT
#2111
He and Vettel are also known to be devoted fans of Dead or Alive's biggest hit of the 1980s.

And on cue, Mercedes' impressive Friday form has disappeared and they're back in misery town. Neither of them cracked the top 10 in FP3 and Russell's complaining of tire temperature issues. They looked good on Friday but it seems like yet again after the others optimize their setups a bit overnight and start running their engines closer to where they will be in qualifying, Mercedes always slips behind.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 07 2022 18:45 GMT
#2112
On May 07 2022 22:24 WombaT wrote:
Amui been travelling through time too much and got confused?

Sorry meant in reference to slow sections last year (stuff like barcelona S3 and so on). Cars just look sluggish in slow corners, especially with changes of direction. The slow section in S2 is just awkward for this years cars.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-07 21:20:30
May 07 2022 21:19 GMT
#2113
Well, that wasn't exactly a barn burner of a qualifying. This track to certain extent suffers from the same problem Sochi and Saudi Arabia suffer from in that outside of a couple specific areas, it's hard to tell where drivers are on the track because it all looks the same. Verstappen's mistake at the end of Q3 took away any tension there was of Ferrari not getting pole. Now Sainz just has to keep it clean tomorrow and he'll be starting a good recovery.

The lead Mercedes was still over almost a second adrift of the Ferraris. Aston could have had both cars in Q3 had Vettel not screwed up and missed out on Q2. Schumacher beat Magnussen again.

Bottas continuing to outqualify the Mercedes in his Alfa Romeo will never get old. I noticed Croft was talking about Hamilton and Bottas for a second as if they were still teammates before he caught himself.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
May 08 2022 09:07 GMT
#2114
I know everyone are excited for Carlos P2 , but 2 tenths off when Charles messed up the first sector is really not that impressive , he is one of the few drivers that is 5-0 on qualy and 4-0 in races , maybe only Latifi vs Albon is the same score.
He cannot get into any accidents this race , if Max is alongside into T1 , let him go , he just needs a full race with this car , to think about the little amount of laps he did in race trim is sad .
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51706 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-08 12:40:21
May 08 2022 12:39 GMT
#2115
not sure if anyone payed attention to the w series (the women's only race series with f3-style chasis/engines) but the so called driving prodigy juju noda with a shocker of a start. all hype, no substance being a solid 3/4 seconds off the pace given the spec cars. shame but we should have all saw it coming.
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-08 19:53:10
May 08 2022 19:51 GMT
#2116
*Hamilton DRS passes someone*
Brundle: "we can see that DRS passes are possible here. Hopefully organic passes are possible too"
Croft: "Yeah that was definitely organic."
Brundle: *silence*

In other news, Haas look fast. They did bad in qualifying but they're making their way through the field now. Bottas is basically in a class of his own sitting several seconds ahead of Hamilton and several seconds behind the frontrunners.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
May 08 2022 21:19 GMT
#2117
Safety car brought some much needed excitement up front at the end there, pity Bottas lost those places to his former team. Still good points though.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-08 23:43:39
May 08 2022 23:40 GMT
#2118
Yeah, the safety car kinda saved the race. It was pretty sleepy beforehand. Albon and Russell lucked out with the safety car but at the same time both had put in the performance to be where they were. Albon was only about 0.2s off P9 due to Alonso's penalty. He almost made it within 5 seconds but not quite. Hamilton's complaints were kinda weird but at the same time I get it. His engineering team always seems to favour track position in these types of situations and more often than not lately it's ended up harming Hamilton's race more than helping it. They play it safe nearly every time while George's side of the garage does small gambles that seem to pay off. Ultimately, though, he kinda just got unlucky again. A few other drivers lost out from the safety car too so it's not like it was just Hamilton.

The power of DRS might need some looking at. This is now the third race in a row with really obvious DRS trains hurting the racing a bunch. It seems that the people who start on an alternate strategy are generally benefiting from the trains since the tire performance differential isn't enough for the people who pitted to pass, causing all of these trains of cars with fresh tires to be stuck behind a slower, but not slow enough, cars on older tires that happen to have DRS. I'm not sure what they could do though. The only cars pitting early seems to actually work out for are the cars with huge performance differentials like Ferrari and Red Bull. For the lower half of the field, track position seems far more important for the first two thirds of the race than fresh tires.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
May 09 2022 11:24 GMT
#2119
This is the money race for Ferrari , a 1Km straight where the bulls shouldn't have a big advantage while Ferrari should have great downforce advantage, I feel that if Charles sticks it on poll and get away cleanly he will race clear of the field.

Also Ferrari first upgrades are coming , lets see what they got for us !!!
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-09 14:43:49
May 09 2022 14:40 GMT
#2120
On May 09 2022 20:24 bluzi wrote:
This is the money race for Ferrari , a 1Km straight where the bulls shouldn't have a big advantage while Ferrari should have great downforce advantage, I feel that if Charles sticks it on poll and get away cleanly he will race clear of the field.

Also Ferrari first upgrades are coming , lets see what they got for us !!!


Seems to me that the RB has had the straight line speed advantage in all races this season. I can't proclaim that it's solely because of the engine being faster tho, as the Ferrari seems to be running more downforce, making them faster in the fast corners, while the RB has more mechanical grip in the slow sections.

Biggest issue with that Ferrari is the same they've been battling for the last 6 years tho: It absolutely shreds the tires. I don't know enough about downforce to tell you why it's doing that, but Max always has so much more life left in his tires towards the end of their lives, compared to Leclerc
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