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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
April 10 2022 06:33 GMT
#2061
I wish Williams had pitted Albon one lap earlier. He finished 10th after doing an outlap on softs, but he could've gotten a single hero lap on softs, with a good chance of stealing the fastest lap from Ferrari.
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4572 Posts
April 10 2022 06:35 GMT
#2062
On April 10 2022 15:33 Lmui wrote:
I wish Williams had pitted Albon one lap earlier. He finished 10th after doing an outlap on softs, but he could've gotten a single hero lap on softs, with a good chance of stealing the fastest lap from Ferrari.


Unlikely. There were too much traffic in front of him
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
April 10 2022 12:22 GMT
#2063
Bit boring this one. The first 4 teams in front were all in their own little speed pockets it seems. We got a 3 team podium but only due to misfortune for Verstappen and Sainz. Hopefully there's a bit more competition in front next race.

Happy about my boi Bottas scoring good points though.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
April 10 2022 17:17 GMT
#2064
Pretty sleepy race though I guess by the standard of most races at this track, it was interesting. That Ferrari seems very strong though they're also being massively helped by their main two opponent teams being weak in some areas (reliability for Red Bull, aerodynamics for Mercedes). If Mercedes and Red Bull can get their issues sorted this could be a very close season.

That drive from Albon was nuts. I was watching it closely since there wasn't much going on in the second half of the race. Albon was roughly matching the McLarens in a Williams with nearly 20 lap older hard tires. I wasn't expecting him to get a point at the end but he somehow managed. P20 to P10 in what is arguably the worst or second worst car is quite a result. They did get a bit lucky with DNFs and safety cars, but given how slow the Williams car is, these types of strategies are their best chance and they made it work.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-10 17:21:44
April 10 2022 17:17 GMT
#2065
Absolute snooze-fest today. Even with the new changes, this track is complete dogshit for any sort of close fighting. The only passes we saw were either at the start, with passive pace advantage, or when people came out with hards that take 2 rounds to get proper heat into

Not a great start for the season for Max. He's pretty far on the backfoot by now. He'll have to win the next 7 races to get on par with Leclerc, which, considering Leclerc's and Ferrari's pace atm, isn't going to be an easy task
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
April 10 2022 21:18 GMT
#2066
On April 10 2022 14:08 LennX wrote:
Sainz got beached in gravel =/

Vettel =(

Max please. Not right after u set a fastest lap

Guess its Honda engines today and not Red Bull power trains

^%$#$#%$#@%$#%$$^ Masterclass pit strategy from Williams?

Making Albon pit at the penultimate lap, hoping for Leclerc to finish the race before Albon can lose too much places/ time

He saved 10th by 0.3 seconds

Can anyone explain why Albon pitted at all, or how that all worked?

Still a bit of a noob as it comes to this era of F1
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-11 16:23:27
April 10 2022 22:29 GMT
#2067
On April 11 2022 06:18 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2022 14:08 LennX wrote:
Sainz got beached in gravel =/

Vettel =(

Max please. Not right after u set a fastest lap

Guess its Honda engines today and not Red Bull power trains

^%$#$#%$#@%$#%$$^ Masterclass pit strategy from Williams?

Making Albon pit at the penultimate lap, hoping for Leclerc to finish the race before Albon can lose too much places/ time

He saved 10th by 0.3 seconds

Can anyone explain why Albon pitted at all, or how that all worked?

Still a bit of a noob as it comes to this era of F1

There is a rule that drivers must use two or more tire compounds in any dry race. Because of this, in effect a pit stop is mandatory (since they have two use two tire compounds and you can't mix different tire compounds on your car) unless it rains at any point which causes the rule to be discarded. Further, you can't pit on the last lap to fulfill the requirement (there's a rule stating that you've only officially used a tire compound after you've left the pit lane with the tires on your car, which wouldn't be possible on the last lap since you wouldn't be racing with those tires on as you would be finishing the race in the pit lane. There's a bunch of other weird rules around pitting on the last lap but it all boils down to "you can't pit when finishing the race unless your car is broken"), which is why Albon pitted when he was finishing his second last lap rather than pitting as he was crossing the finish line at the end of his race.

Basically, if you start on the hard tires, at some point in the race you have to pit and put on medium or soft tires. In Alex's case he started on the hard tires then pitted for soft tires. This fulfilled the requirement.

Not fulfilling this requirement causes disqualification unless the race is red flagged and not restarted. In that situation I think it's left to the stewards' discretion for what has to be done. I'm not sure why the Sky people were talking like finishing without pitting was an option for Alex. The rules are pretty clear.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
April 10 2022 23:25 GMT
#2068
Cheers for clearing that up!
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4572 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-22 15:43:55
April 22 2022 15:11 GMT
#2069
Imola qualifying live now.

Albon has shit luck again

Sainz into the wall in Q2 =/
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-22 16:09:55
April 22 2022 16:09 GMT
#2070
On April 23 2022 00:11 LennX wrote:
Imola qualifying live now.

Albon has shit luck again

Sainz into the wall in Q2 =/


2 min after restart, on a wet track with zero chances of improving the time "Let's send Leclerc out again!".

Such a weird decision. You're not going to get a huge amount of data in the wet anyways, and even going around slowly brings a chance of going into the wall. Lando nearly did
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4572 Posts
April 22 2022 16:15 GMT
#2071
On April 23 2022 01:09 Excludos wrote:

2 min after restart, on a wet track with zero chances of improving the time "Let's send Leclerc out again!".

Such a weird decision. You're not going to get a huge amount of data in the wet anyways, and even going around slowly brings a chance of going into the wall. Lando nearly did



Just hoping against hope I guess
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
April 22 2022 16:36 GMT
#2072
This is one of the most insane qualifying sessions I've ever seen
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
April 22 2022 16:36 GMT
#2073
On April 23 2022 01:15 LennX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2022 01:09 Excludos wrote:

2 min after restart, on a wet track with zero chances of improving the time "Let's send Leclerc out again!".

Such a weird decision. You're not going to get a huge amount of data in the wet anyways, and even going around slowly brings a chance of going into the wall. Lando nearly did



Just hoping against hope I guess


Not even hoping, Leclerc already had the time to get into Q3
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
April 22 2022 16:51 GMT
#2074
KMag P4 :O
© Current year.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-22 16:55:02
April 22 2022 16:54 GMT
#2075
On April 23 2022 01:51 CorsairHero wrote:
KMag P4 :O


Was it 3 or 4 red flags he caused to achieve that? xD
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
April 22 2022 16:56 GMT
#2076
It's great to see how these young guns interact which each other. I like this top 3 a lot gotta say.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
April 23 2022 15:09 GMT
#2077
Not the biggest fan of these sprint races but this was pretty cool. Valtteri in the points again as well, gg
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-23 18:32:15
April 23 2022 18:29 GMT
#2078
The sprint race itself was pretty fun to watch.

I'm still not a big fan of how the results of it influence the main race's starting order. These sprints have a tendency to erase outlier qualifying performances and we usually end up with the cars somewhat near their expected place based on car performance, which is what happened here and last year.

Apparently for next year they are leaning towards getting rid of the sprint race dictating the main race's starting order, which I think is a good move. Charles and several other drivers have all said that's what they would like to see also. The way sprints are right now force drivers to be somewhat risk-averse since otherwise they can end up like Zhou and lose out on track position for starting the main race.

Mercedes look completely lost. Neither Hamilton nor Russell made up any notable ground to speak of. Apparently this is the first time since Japan 2012 that both Mercedes have failed to get to Q3. With how bad the sprint went for Mercedes, they're going to have to either pull off some strategic brilliance or hope that rain or a safety car can put them in contention. On pure performance they're just not there at all.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
April 23 2022 19:12 GMT
#2079
Yeah, pretty much. I also just prefer the slow build up of the regular qualifying weekends.

Bit annoying commentators advocating for it so much as well. Maybe I'm imagining things it but it feels kinda forced when they do it.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-24 13:36:10
April 24 2022 13:31 GMT
#2080
I can never fathom why, when the conditions are like this, no one at the back jumps the gun to slicks to try to gain an advantage. What point is there for someone like Ricciardo at running around on his own at P19, when you could get incredibly lucky and jump half the field?

edit: Hah! That aged like milk. Why mediums tho?! They do this mistake EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's still a cold and damp track, why the heck would you not put on the softs?!

edit2: All mediums. Guess this is why I'm not an F1 strategist. I'm clearly wrong
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