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pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
May 22 2022 14:45 GMT
#2141
Also, riccardo needs to leave McLaren;

L’andò Norris getting it home in P8 after allergy problems, I hope his team mate gets fired, perhaps gasly would make a great fit there, given its not working for him alpha tauri; sad for them
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
May 22 2022 14:47 GMT
#2142
I hope Nyck de Vries gets a shot at F1 at some point; Really feels great talent is being wasted there..
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
May 22 2022 14:51 GMT
#2143
Oh yeah that gust of wind that made Max go through the gravel might have been what damaged his rear wing/DRS.
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pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
May 22 2022 15:08 GMT
#2144
A very entertaining Grand Prix; also a lot of things off point:

- wind playing tricks on verstappen and sainz; no one even cares any more if he spins, the commentary almost expects it now.
- Ferrari DNF: an imperfect end, to a perfect weekend, dominated until that point from Leclerc.
- worst team mates: sainz and ricciardo both failed to capitalize on their team mates issues.
- Russell keeps humiliating Hamilton, getting top 5 finishes in every race, being faster in practice, quali and race.
- Perez getting triggered: he is not happy at all with him coming 2nd. They might be some blowback later on in the season, unless new fresh money changes hands
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
May 22 2022 15:15 GMT
#2145
It's interesting to see Russel doing better than the former champion so far but I don't think Hamilton got humiliated this particular race.
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
May 22 2022 15:42 GMT
#2146
As much of a snooze fest the last part of this race was, if Verstappen's DRS would have worked it would have been even worse for most of the race. Red Bull forcing to Perez to hand over the lead was gross since the season's just barely a quarter done and he was fast enough to keep the lead.

Ferrari seems to be imploding as expected. It's the same thing that has happened every other season where Ferrari has been a potential challenger. They start strong then the issues and mistakes start to show up. I do wonder if they're regretting signing Sainz again so early into the year. Now that they're capable of wins, Sainz seems to be choking a bit. As a whole, the team is just lacking consistency. Leclerc can only carry them so far.

I'm weirdly happy with Mercedes being competitive again though that's partly likely because without Mercedes in the mix, Red Bull has the potential to just run away with this one unless Ferrari can clean up their act a bit. Hamilton's radio message about retiring to save the engine was pretty cringy though. Russell was fantastic though. He's proving that the hype around his was justified.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-22 20:03:00
May 22 2022 19:50 GMT
#2147
On May 22 2022 23:34 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2022 23:31 Amui wrote:
Sainz's mistakes definitely have been hurting.

Also with the pace Hamilton showed, I think he would've been fighting Max for the win if he hadn't been 50 seconds behind at lap 2.

Absolutely not, the difference between the Red Bull and the Mercedes is still to large for that. It would've been an interesting fight between Hamilton and Russel though.

He was 48s behind sainz, and he was a couple seconds ahead of Sainz before his issue at lap 64. Max was 40s up the road from Sainz on the fastest pit strategy with clean air for two thirds of the race, while Hamilton had to make a lot of overtakes(admittedly, he was breezing past people and they just let him go).

The only faster driver was Leclerc until he retired. Max couldn't pass George on track because his DRS worked 50% of the time, and with two Mercs to fight on strategy Max couldn't just sacrifice track position for clean air all race.

He might not have been in contention for the win because of the incident, but if there had been a early safety car for him to catch up to the pack (he spent like half the race just catching the pack), I think he potentially even catches Perez.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-22 21:05:58
May 22 2022 20:47 GMT
#2148
You can't just look at the time differences like that though; Sainz's floor was damaged which was the reason he couldn't really keep up. Russel was pushing the limits of his car to keep the neutered Red Bull behind but he would not have been able to do that for much longer. Unneutered Perez flew past him while he backed of to prevent overheating.

Don't forget that if drivers are in front and not in need of pushing they'll start managing tires, the power unit etc. until competitors behind are getting too close. Perez also just pushed for the fastest lap once, got it and backed off (specifically stopping extra to do that). Toto said in a post race interview they about halved the difference between them and the top 2 teams which seems about right. Hamilton had a great race today (well, apart from the start obv.) but he wouldn't have been much faster than Russel (if at all) if the puncture didn't happen.

Anyway it's good to see at least that they are more competitive although I wonder what will happen when we get to the faster circuits again, might be that the gap will be a bit larger. Not as big as previously but bigger than on a circuit like this perhaps.
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pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
May 22 2022 21:02 GMT
#2149
FERRARI BOSS REJECTS THE HYPE OF A MERCEDES REVIVAL

The hype around the Mercedes F1 team this weekend has been incredible, despite in qualifying their lead car being as far behind the pole sitter in Spain as it was at the first race in Bahrain. Granted Mercedes got worse after the inaugural race being 0.8, 0.9 seconds off pole when the cars actually managed to make it into Q3. In Imola neither achieved that feat.

After the race Toto Wolff told Sky Sports if Hamilton hadn’t been tagged by Magnussen his pace was so good he could have challenged for the win. Lewis implied the same telling the bull pen reporters, “If I hadn’t had the issue at the beginning who knows where we would have been in the end”.But the numbers don’t lie. Russell as lead Mercedes driver ended up 32 seconds off the pace at the chequered flag and two weeks ago in Miami that gap was just 18 seconds.

In fact in the season’s debut weekend in Bahrain Hamilton finished P3 just 9.6 seconds behind the winner.

How is this an improvement?

Group delusion appears to have swamped the Mercedes team and many in the paddock and as Mattio Binotto soberly observed when asked if Mercedes were back in the hunt, “They would have been 50 seconds behind Charles… over 66 laps that’s 6-7 10ths”.

Hamilton received the black and white flag during the race for exceeding track limits multiple times, hardly the signature of a car that is planted and ready to take on the Ferrari and Red Bull’s.

The race winner Max Verstappen had a faulty DRS wing during the race and struggled behind Russell for around 20 laps. If true pace is what we should be examining, without that he would have been down the road as far as Binotto reckons LeCLerc would have been.

Hamilton wanted to stop the car when he found himself in P19 and “save the engine” so it required the team to tell him “P8 or better is possible”. Yet at the end of the race the champion racer grinning told Natalie Pinkerton his motto was “never give up”.

Mmm.

The W13 car this weekend was at it worst in Barcelona through section 3, the low speed corners that require great traction. We’ll see in a few days whether the Mercedes hype has any substance in Monaco where it’s low speed corners everywhere.


https://thejudge13.com/2022/05/22/ferrari-boss-rejects-the-hype-of-a-mercedes-revival/
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8075 Posts
May 24 2022 21:19 GMT
#2150
On May 22 2022 23:51 Penev wrote:
Oh yeah that gust of wind that made Max go through the gravel might have been what damaged his rear wing/DRS.


But late on the reply: Max had problems with the wing the entire weekend. They even swapped some parts after qualy (for identical ones, which is allowed), but it unfortunately didn't fix the issue. It's likely related to the massive 10kg weight saving measure they've been doing, although it's uncertain exactly what they did or why it caused the wing to jam. It was not related to the actuator itself.
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
May 24 2022 22:07 GMT
#2151
Yes. I also saw mention that Red Bull had been working on Max's rear wing throughout the weekend because it was having issues.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
May 25 2022 00:25 GMT
#2152
On May 25 2022 06:19 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2022 23:51 Penev wrote:
Oh yeah that gust of wind that made Max go through the gravel might have been what damaged his rear wing/DRS.


But late on the reply: Max had problems with the wing the entire weekend. They even swapped some parts after qualy (for identical ones, which is allowed), but it unfortunately didn't fix the issue. It's likely related to the massive 10kg weight saving measure they've been doing, although it's uncertain exactly what they did or why it caused the wing to jam. It was not related to the actuator itself.

Yeah I know the DRS malfunctioned the day before as well, I watch(ed) the whole weekend. Someone mentioned during the race that it might have broken again because of the gust of wind that caught Max by surprise earlier in the race which I thought was worth repeating.

The damn thing worked fine on the other DRS section with the tail wind btw but on the straight where there was headwind it tended to close again because of the extra force. I don't know if we can determine that it's likely to have been caused by a weight saving upgrade considering Perez's worked fine (assuming he sported an identical wing).

We obviously don't know for sure what had caused it.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4553 Posts
May 26 2022 15:50 GMT
#2153
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.world-champion-raikkonen-to-make-top-tier-nascar-cup-series-debut-at-watkins.5FbXhXAEWQR6WX1HRqEQFq.html

Kimi to race in NASCR.

And its F1 race weekend in Monaco.
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pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
May 26 2022 16:58 GMT
#2154
Funny, I was watching kimi memes yesterday, thinking what an amazing career he had in F1

"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
May 26 2022 21:06 GMT
#2155
WHO EARNS THE MOST IN F1?
THE COMPLETE GUIDE FOR 2022



Despite the recent budget cap in force, Formula 1 is well known for its extreme spending, and with that comes the usual entourage of rich celebrities and big business sponsors. Certainly, F1 isn’t shy at showing off its extravagance and unashamed indulgences on a global scale. But you might be surprised to hear that the ‘haves and the have nots’ often work side by side at the track and the Formula One Paddock area; the very biggest earners along with some of the lowest wage employees.

Germany’s Sport Bild newspaper recently published their findings as to who earns the most in F1, along with the lowliest ‘minions’, some of whom no doubt accept the pittance salary or zero wage for the experience of attending and being part of a Grand Prix weekend. You might be surprised by what the publication has claimed.

Sports Bild claims that: “Lewis Hamilton, a record-breaking world champion, is the top earner with an annual salary of around 36 million euros plus bonuses,

“While the stewards guarding the entrance earn six euros an hour,

“For comparison: The British driver, who has an hourly wage of around 4100 euros, would only need a little more than five seconds for this.”

Crazy but not unexpected.


All of the teams offer hospitality to their guests and sponsors; the attendees are often used to the very best in service and expect as much. For the teams, the hospitality staff they employ are quite often students and youngsters keen to gain a foothold in the sport, therefore begin a career in Formula 1 by attending the sponsors and guests. Sports Bild estimates that on average a hospitality staff member earns around 15 Euros per hour, and if retained for the whole season they might expect to bring in approximately 30,000 Euros per annum. At the higher career end of Formula 1 hospitality, for instance, a chef might earn double that at 60,000 Euros per annum.

The very highest earners in Formula 1 obviously work for the biggest teams. Team bosses and directors are only second to the big earning drivers such as Lewis Hamilton or Max Verstappen. For instance, Christian Horner, team boss of Red Bull, earns around 2.5 million Euros from the Red Bull Racing team directly, but actually makes most of his money as a director of the new engine department, for which he collects another 6.5 million euros.

The grand total means that Horner earns nine million euros a year. The canny Horner and the Red Bull team managed to continue to pay the team boss his large salary by splitting the earnings. Otherwise, his Red Bull earnings are part of the recent budget cap; unless it is to do with the engine, in which case his “Power Unit” salary is exempt and falls outside the cap.





The top earner at Red Bull, however, is the lead driver and current Formula 1 champion Max Verstappen. The Dutchman earns around 25 million euros a year since his contract extension until 2028, which he signed before the season.

At the other end of the driver earnings scale, rookies such as Mick Schumacher usually collect between 500,000 and one million euros in their first season. Kevin Magnussen, Mick’s Haas team mate and the fast tracked stand in for the recently banned Russian driver Nikita Masapin, is estimated to also earn around one million euros.

Trackside garage mechanics’ salaries depend on their responsibilities and their positions but on average, they get around 50,000 euros per year. Engineers back at the factory usually would start on a wage of approximately 60,000 euros, but respected and sought after design engineers such as Adrian Newey can easily command a salary of six figures.

If you’re a driver physio, a team member who is perhaps closest to the driver than the actual team they receive their salary from, the average earnings is thought to be between 70,000 and 80,000 euros a year. More famous physios’ such as Lewis Hamilton’s bleach blond New Zealand confidant, Angela Cullen, is said to be paid top dollar and earn an estimated 150,000 Euros per year.



At the other end of the earnings scale is perhaps the biggest surprise, and that is the FIA president Mohammed bin Sulayem. The ex Rally driver gives his time for free, much like many of the trackside marshalls who also are rarely paid. The exception is usually found at tracks such as Monaco.

The race officials such as Eduardo Freitas and Niels Wittich, do not have a fixed salary. They get a small allowance for each race weekend they attend. In addition, the FIA pays the travel costs for them and an accompanying person. Similarly, safety car driver Bernd Mayländer also has no annual salary as such. The safety car driver is self-employed without a fixed contract and much like the race officials, Mayländer is paid per Grand Prix and has his travel expenses reimbursed. But since he is on site at every race, he comes to a low six-figure sum per year. The driver has to insure himself from this amount.


https://thejudge13.com/2022/05/26/who-earns-the-most-in-f1-the-complete-guide-for-2022/
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
May 27 2022 16:00 GMT
#2156
It seems like the F1 media has picked their target for the year to constantly dump on and be overly critical of. This whole weekend we've been hearing about Ricciardo (and dumb things like him getting kicked out of his contract early). It's stupid because it's a known thing that Ricciardo's weakness is getting settled in new cars and it's an all new car this year. He's been transparent about this. He was the same at Renault and by his second year in a consistent car there he was back scoring podiums. Meanwhile the same media keeps giving people like Lance Stroll a free pass despite him being involved or instigating a bunch of clumsy and dangerous crashes over the last year.

I hate that they do this stuff. They attacked Albon for an entire year and questioned why he was in F1. Now many of those same people are talking him up constantly and talking about how he's an above average driver. It's so hypocritical. They did the same thing to Vettel as well, who went on to get podiums in an Aston that wasn't that great.

F1 would be so much better if it didn't have the toxic media environment around it.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-27 23:00:29
May 27 2022 22:58 GMT
#2157
God, both F1 fanbase and F1 media can be so toxic sometimes.

Non-story is as follows: Tom Stallard (Daniels engineer) asks whether Daniel's car is ok (Which DR just crashed), instead of whether Daniel himself is ok (because the engineer doesn't know about the crash yet. He's just seeing that the car has stopped). Confusion is literally cleared up within the next 2 sentences over the radio, but media cleverly cut that part out and has run with the story that Tom hates him, and DR is about to get fired. Fucking despicable
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-28 14:26:51
May 28 2022 14:23 GMT
#2158
Yes exactly. That's the exact type of thing I'm talking about. It's gross. I guess they can't let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

Wow that was a bizarre red flag. McLaren just got completely screwed over by it as did Gasly. They've been a bit aggressive with the red flags lately.

edit: Nevermind McLaren's fine. Gasly got badly messed up by it as did Zhou. Stroll had an angry radio message but he got a lap in and was just slow.
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4553 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-28 15:07:52
May 28 2022 15:06 GMT
#2159
Lmao what an ending to Q3

Perez hit the barriers and causing a red flag and Sainz just cant get some luck on his side
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
May 28 2022 15:15 GMT
#2160
Just a typical Q3 in Monaco :o)
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