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On June 07 2016 04:12 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah my company works the exact same way, we are a huge tyre company now but our bank balance never says it xD
However if we had a bad 3-6 months we would go pop even with the assests we have (owning the tyre depot land etc) but with Barca and Real if they were to say finish 6th twice in a row you might have the same oh shit moment. Unless football clubs are really out there in another planet ?
Well Barcelona operates differently from your regular LLC in terms of revenue streams. Its not a business in the traditional sense of the word.
Edit: Actually fuck it here. If you can be bothered to read. I read it a long time ago
http://swissramble.blogspot.ca/2012/04/truth-about-debt-at-barcelona-and-real.html
+ Show Spoiler +If you dont get something I can try to explain it
Its old but the core concepts are relevant. What has been the case since this piece is that FFP at the end of the day has not been an issue because for atleast Barca and Real the revenue streams and sponsorship's are too robust. Infact its going to get better for smaller teams to.
Yes finishing in poor places in the league would be a big hit, but
a) its not likely,
b) they can ride it out with some discomfort and they wont be losing players because they cant afford to keep them, they will lose them because they suck.
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So the important bits I gathered:
+ Show Spoiler +The debt that has Barca and RM at over half a billion is an all-inclusive list of liabilities including stuff like season ticket tickets sold. Because they technically haven't provided the games to the ticket holders so they "owe" them. If they sold 2 billion worth of tickets that means they would "owe" 2 billion as liabilities which is rather dumb.
In comparison when compared the same way Man United owes a billion and arsenal also owes half a billion.
These teams earn a lot of money. Enough money that the ratios of cash flow to debt or cash flow to interest means that these debts are a lot less severe than they seem.
Their players are not properly accounted for. On the balance sheet they list a lot lower price than if they actually sold their players are market value. Obviously you cant sell your whole team, but still its something to think about.
Lastly, a lot of other Spanish teams are actually in a lot more trouble. They earn far less money than their debt is in termsof percentages. Also Spanish league in a whole has a lot more debt to revenue.
The article was pretty interesting.
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Also Spanish league in a whole has a lot more debt to revenue.
The debt in spanish league is not so bad. It used to be a serious problem in the time of Pep/Mou (when the 100 points league wins) where more la liga teams had huge debts. Back then I thought that it could be a huge crisis similar to the one that happened to Italian football and everything could collapse.
But today most team has reduced their debts and each year their debt continue reducing, the TV rights distribution is better distributed (Atleti and Valencia earning ~100m in tv rights next season) and there are some Basque teams with no debts like Eibar or Athletic Bilbao.
Of course Barça and Madrid works differently and they have their own system of debt and sometimes "helps" of spanish or catalonian governments.
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On June 07 2016 16:34 haitike wrote:The debt in spanish league is not so bad. It used to be a serious problem in the time of Pep/Mou (when the 100 points league wins) where more la liga teams had huge debts. Back then I thought that it could be a huge crisis similar to the one that happened to Italian football and everything could collapse. But today most team has reduced their debts and each year their debt continue reducing, the TV rights distribution is better distributed (Atleti and Valencia earning ~100m in tv rights next season) and there are some Basque teams with no debts like Eibar or Athletic Bilbao. Of course Barça and Madrid works differently and they have their own system of debt and sometimes "helps" of spanish or catalonian governments.
Yeah the TV deals were boing smaller teams pretty hard, but its alot better now. At the time of the article they were in somehwat bad shape. Hence my point about it getting better for smaller teams aswell. It looked pretty bad when you had teams like Valencia selling player after player to stay afloat.
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He IS a good player. But he still needs to improve his mental aspect of the game. Sometimes he refuses to pass the ball, sometimes he refuses to shoot... And when he shoots, ball may go outside of the stadium 
Dortmund has a large rotation of wingers and if he wants to stay competetive in Germany, he have a lot to do.
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Now that Alavés is back to the first division of la liga. Do you remember that crazy 2001 UEFA Cupa final between Liverpool and Alavés that Liverpool won 5-4 scoring the fifth goal in the extra time.
That is one of the craziest European finals that I remember.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
RIP Dortmund?
Hummels - Bayern Done
Gundogan - City Done
Aubameyang - City Soon™
Miki - Arsenal Soon™
4 first teamers all about to leave, ouch!
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that bailly signing was pretty quick
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
Yeah hoping he and smalling can do well together next year.
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If you compare payable transfer fees fro top players from today and ~ 5 yrs ago, you will notice that top players are "priceless" nowadays because teams don't let them go. The fees for CR7 (ManU -> RM), Kaka (ACM -> RM), Ibrahimovic (Inter -> FCB) were payable 5 yrs ago, even if they had 5 yrs contracts with old clubs.
Or earlier time (~2002 ) with Zidane (Juve -> RM), Figo (FCB -> RM), Beckham (ManU -> RM) etc
Nowadays? Nothing.
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Transfer fees are insane nowadays. All the new money coming into football via billionaires and New tv deals has causes a ridiculous amount of inflation.
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not only insane fees, teams seem to have more capacity for not selling the players. See Dortmund, they are selling all players when one year contract is left. Bayern won't sell Lewa, even if someone offers 150m€ fee. They just want to keep the players. I see the same pattern with all top clubs.
Money not so powerful nowadays?
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On June 09 2016 05:12 Dingodile wrote:
not only insane fees, teams seem to have more capacity for not selling the players. See Dortmund, they are selling all players when one year contract is left. Bayern won't sell Lewa, even if someone offers 150m€ fee. They just want to keep the players. I see the same pattern with all top clubs.
Money not so powerful nowadays?
It's the exact opposite actually. Money is still extremely powerful these days. The only reason to turn down an absurd amount of money is an even more absurd amount of money. Teams get a lot of sponsorship/on-air distribution by retaining the biggest names on their squad. All those factors ensure that big teams like Bayern are always in financial stability. 150m is a lot but perhaps not enough, top that by another $100m or however more it takes and I'm pretty sure Robert would be wearing another jersey next season. Money is not an issue, it's how much.
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Hey Pandemona...
Do you know anything about Moussa Dembele? Gala interested in him but unfortunately i didn't watch Championship at all. I don't eat Turkish media bullshit too. I watched some clips but he didn't look good at all... Do you know him?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
Yeah he was the one i got confused with who signed for Dortmund. He was a beast on Fulham a great young striker, Chelsea rumored for him in January and other premier league clubs. He is learning the game but so much experience, played many games and needs bit better service next to him to see if can make it i guess. Looked great prospect and is only 19 still.
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On June 08 2016 20:50 Pandemona wrote:
RIP Dortmund?
Hummels - Bayern Done
Gundogan - City Done
Aubameyang - City Soon™
Miki - Arsenal Soon™
4 first teamers all about to leave, ouch!
Pretty sure Auba is going to RM or staying.
Miki would be stupid if he left (1 good season, 1 awful season) .... he will be burried in Arsenal in no time
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On June 09 2016 17:03 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 20:50 Pandemona wrote:
RIP Dortmund?
Hummels - Bayern Done
Gundogan - City Done
Aubameyang - City Soon™
Miki - Arsenal Soon™
4 first teamers all about to leave, ouch! Pretty sure Auba is going to RM or staying. Miki would be stupid if he left (1 good season, 1 awful season) .... he will be burried in Arsenal in no time
Dortmund have been making a few smart purchases as well, so I think they are fine for now. Losing Auba would hurt, but with the cash they'd get for him they can easily get a decent replacement .
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Money is still king it just shows how "super teams" have formed at the top. That has if anything given the players more power then even after the bosman ruling. If these top teams want to keep them then they need to pay them ever increasing wages to keep them or else lose an 100 some million euro asset. Look at Sterling, he knew he was work 200k a week or more as an fixture on the English national team to a champions league team.
I'm surprised no one has been talking about a team buying barbosa. Hes the next naymar and barca has a full front 3 already.
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