EPT2015 UFC/MMA Discussion Thread - Page 47
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JimmiC
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wei2coolman
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On June 08 2015 01:57 JimmiC wrote: How is there too many divisions? There is literately a quarter of the number of division as there is in Boxing. HW is the only division that is shallow and that is because there is only so many men that are so large that they can't cut to 205 and a lot of those men get into sports like football. edit: Also that card was lights out! what fights!!! The talent pool in most division drop off pretty significantly after top 2. Also boxing has a lot bigger pool of participants, so they make up for large # of divisions, by having larger number of people in each division. Not to mention boxing has huge match fixing problem, and a large # of cans, who fight to lose for a paycheck. | ||
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CorsairHero
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jon anik hahahahha | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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i see canadian middleweight boxers losing to nobodies with no power and slurring their speech and unable to complete sentences by age 35. no idea what is inside foreman's brain to protect it.. but its amazing whatever it is... the guy is so alive and charismatic.... some guys never lose their chin. current heavyweight champ is 29 .. previous champ was 35. so ummm ya. | ||
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ninazerg
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On June 08 2015 09:47 CorsairHero wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lE_eaXV1r4 jon anik hahahahha I don't know why they always ask the fighters the same dumb shit every fight and every press conference. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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heavyweights and light heavyweights are the only fighters who can be over 6'4" very tall athletes ( over 6'4" ) of all kinds take much longer to fully develop that goes for tall pitchers in baseball , tall big men in basketball, and tall fighters... and in baseball tall lefties take even longer. and tall hockey players take longer to fully develop as well. its no accident that the youngest heavyweight champ of all time was under 6 feet tall. shorter guys mature faster and peak a lot younger. generally speaking the taller the athlete , the longer it'll take for them to fully mature in their sport. | ||
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ninazerg
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On June 08 2015 15:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote: one other thing about the age of top notch heavyweights and light heavyweights. heavyweights and light heavyweights are the only fighters who can be over 6'4" very tall athletes ( over 6'4" ) of all kinds take much longer to fully develop that goes for tall pitchers in baseball , tall big men in basketball, and tall fighters... and in baseball tall lefties take even longer. and tall hockey players take longer to fully develop as well. its no accident that the youngest heavyweight champ of all time was under 6 feet tall. shorter guys mature faster and peak a lot younger. generally speaking the taller the athlete , the longer it'll take for them to fully mature in their sport. Will Chope. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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That is ridiculous. Excited to see miguel torres though. I just love how that guy would use any opportunity to cause damage. A lot of unorthodox strikes. Sounds like he's getting his head back on his shoulders after letting his success get to him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him break that strings legs. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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On June 09 2015 09:00 JimmiC wrote: Boxing has 64 fake champions. The two real or pick one of the klitschos and tehy are the real champs, 43 and 39 years old. its great how you just make up "facts" to back ur points . WBC, IBF, WBO are the heavyweight organizations. none have a champ older than 39. and 45 > 39. and when the 45 year old in question was champ 20 years ago .the division had lots of talent. the heavyweight division has had champs 35-40 years old .. lots and lots of times for decades and decades. Ali, Lewis, Foreman, Holyfield, Spinx.. and on and on i can go. as i said.. really tall guys mature slowly. On June 08 2015 10:19 JimmiC wrote: The champs are in their 40's. the WBC, WBO , and IBF have 0 heavyweight champs in their 40s. the #1 organization of the 3 is the WBC and they have a 35 year old champ and the previous WBC champ was 28. and when Klitscho won the belt he was 37 and he won it off of a 28 year old. i'm too lazy to list it , but IBF and WBO have similarly aged champs over the years. none of these guys are any where near as old as Foreman was in 1994 when he won the belt and it was not an indicator of a shallow heavyweight division. On June 09 2015 08:27 ninazerg wrote: Will Chope. he is not over 6'4"... lots of heavyweights are though. | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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your comment is made in June/2015 and it is incorrect. the WBC is the #1 body out of those 3 and their champ is 35 and he beat a 29 year old. "The World Boxing Council (WBC) is one of four major organizations which sanction world championship boxing bouts, alongside the IBF, WBA and WBO. Owing to the many historically high profile bouts sanctioned by the organization and legendary fighters who have been recognised as WBC World champions, the organization is regarded by many as the most prestigious in the sport" sorry man, according to every boxing expert i know .. WBC is it. you just make up crap. http://philboxing.com/news/story-13714.html http://www.goldenboypromotions.com/news/floyd-mayweather-miguel-cotto-to-also-compete-for-wbc-super-welterweight-diamond-belt/ http://www.irishtimes.com/news/klitschko-in-frame-for-vacant-wbc-title-1.971915 the WBC is it man.. learn to love it. and as i've said before Heavyweight Champs aged 35 to 40 have happened for decades. 1 guy winning against a few carefully selected opponents above the age of 40 does not indicate the division is shallow. bringing it back to the original point being made: as the other guy said, relative to boxing the MMA divisions in the UFC are shallow. Foreman winning at 45 was no indicator of talent depth in the heavyweight division in 1994 and a 39 year old non WBC champ does not indicate anything about the talent level of the division today. same with Holyfield in 2001. or Ali the 3rd time he won or... | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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The comment "the champs are in their 40s" is incorrect the WBC champ is 35. the MMA talent pool is shallow relative to Boxing due to stuff like the Olympics. Anyhow, these latest bureaucratic maneuvres could improve the talent pool of MMA. Some last minute tinkering to try to get the law passed in NY state. http://combatsportslaw.com/2015/06/09/new-york-overhauls-mma-bill-as-deadline-looms/ http://www.themmajournalist.com/2015/06/the-mma-bill-has-been-revamped-heres.html interestingly, this new law will allow NY State to start taxing the gate receipts for WWE Events. that is hilarious... nothing like sneaking in a new tax revenue stream to get a bill passed  also, they changed the law to better support amateur MMA. After seeing that, I do not think there is any way this bill gets stopped... expect Weidman to defend his belt in MSG. | ||
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bluzi
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On June 10 2015 01:04 JimmiC wrote: http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/index.php/ratings?layout=edit&id=139 According to this vitali is basically the champ of everything. And I disagree with the shallow compared to boxing, boxing is dieing, nothing you have said has changed that sorry to all on the detour to boxing I should know better then to respond to jimmyj but he's so ridiculous it's hard. Boxing is dieing ? its an olympic sport , all the champions and the major contenders makes MUCH more money then ANYONE at MMA , the last mega fight of the sport made Floyd more money then ALL THE PAYOUTS TO ALL THE FIGHTERS IN THE LAST DECADE in the MMA , guys are making a killing in boxing while MMA are getting pounded to the floor for change , please give one hard evidence to it dieing , if anything MMA has peaked , and is on the decline , but whatever , i can show you more then 10-15 fighters that made more then a million dollars a FIGHT this year and a ton more that made hunderd of thousands a fight. please try and show me anything close to that , please. Vitali is retired for ages now... what are you on about. | ||
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JimmiC
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CorsairHero
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thx | ||
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ninazerg
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On June 10 2015 06:09 CorsairHero wrote: hi this is an MMA thread thx ^ yeah dudes, knock it off with all that 'boxing' nonsense. | ||
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GrapeApe
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Anywho...I'm so flippin' excited for the return of Cain! Really hoping he puts on a dominating performance and gets a quick turn around for another defense. He has lost time to make up for! Pretty excited for Gil/Alvarez as well. That should be a fun scrap. | ||
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