EPT2015 UFC/MMA Discussion Thread - Page 4
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On January 04 2015 15:14 Masheyoon wrote: And? He got slammed and got right back up. Jones didn't look anymore dangerous just because he took Cormier down via sweep for a few seconds. Cormier landed serveral shots to Jones' face which rocked him a few times. I say draw. How do you say draw when Jones won 4 rounds pretty convincingly? Other than MAYBE the 5th round, there's no argument that Cormier only won one round, which was the 2nd. Plus, the points tend to favor takedowns over no takedowns at all. I dunno when Cormier really rocked Jones, my definition of "rocked" is when a fighter starts stumbling/wobbly legs or they get dropped, and it seemed neither happened to either fighter at any point in the fight. It was a close fight, but the 49-46 is the right score. Similar to how Real Madrid defeated Atletico Madrid 4-1 in a close, competitive match during the 2014 UCL finals. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24361 Posts
I thought it was kind of funny DC wanted that takedown toward the end so bad. You know he was thinking about all the shit talking that would come if he didn't even get 1 takedown (even if Jones sprung right up). I'm looking forward to whoever DC fights next. That guy is going to get demolished (if DC isn't broken by the loss). If I was his trainer I would just have him gassing in the fight on loop in the gym every time he started to bitch about getting tired. Hell if they got him in peak fighting shape the guy could probably fight at 185. | ||
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Ultraliskhero
Canada249 Posts
On January 04 2015 15:14 Masheyoon wrote: And? He got slammed and got right back up. Jones didn't look anymore dangerous just because he took Cormier down via sweep for a few seconds. Cormier landed serveral shots to Jones' face which rocked him a few times. I say draw. Sry bro, that was no where close to a draw. I gave Cormier round 2, but he was broken somewhere in round 3 and offered up basically nothing in rounds 4 and 5. I keep anticipating someone to bring up a crazy nice game plan against Jones, like if Cormier somehow rushes Jones down Velasquez style, but too bad it didn't happen. People always talk about Jones's reach advantage, but I think its more accurately a Length advantage. Cormier did alot of work from boxing range early in the fight where Jones' reach advantage didn't help him too much. But his Length and leverage certainly helped him control the clinch as well as executing and defending the takedowns. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 04 2015 15:40 Ultraliskhero wrote: Sry bro, that was no where close to a draw. I gave Cormier round 2, but he was broken somewhere in round 3 and offered up basically nothing in rounds 4 and 5. I keep anticipating someone to bring up a crazy nice game plan against Jones, like if Cormier somehow rushes Jones down Velasquez style, but too bad it didn't happen. People always talk about Jones's reach advantage, but I think its more accurately a Length advantage. Cormier did alot of work from boxing range early in the fight where Jones' reach advantage didn't help him too much. But his Length and leverage certainly helped him control the clinch as well as executing and defending the takedowns. If you just look at the bridge he created every time he got into the clinch, it was impossible for DC's short stature to reach for Jones's legs, or try to get his hips underneath Jone's center of gravity. I felt DC might of had a better chance trying to shoot for a leg if he was willing to play the range game with Jones, and wait out for a missed strike from Jones. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On January 04 2015 15:40 Ultraliskhero wrote: Sry bro, that was no where close to a draw. I gave Cormier round 2, but he was broken somewhere in round 3 and offered up basically nothing in rounds 4 and 5. I keep anticipating someone to bring up a crazy nice game plan against Jones, like if Cormier somehow rushes Jones down Velasquez style, but too bad it didn't happen. People always talk about Jones's reach advantage, but I think its more accurately a Length advantage. Cormier did alot of work from boxing range early in the fight where Jones' reach advantage didn't help him too much. But his Length and leverage certainly helped him control the clinch as well as executing and defending the takedowns. I would add to that by saying that Jon Jones appeared to be physically stronger than Daniel Cormier overall. DC had difficulty getting positions and handling Jon Jones when it came down to brute strength. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 04 2015 15:50 ninazerg wrote: I would add to that by saying that Jon Jones appeared to be physically stronger than Daniel Cormier overall. DC had difficulty getting positions and handling Jon Jones when it came down to brute strength. It wasn't brute strength. Jones just had better leverage points throughout. DC could never "get under" Jones for a throw, until the later round, by then it was too late. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24361 Posts
On January 04 2015 15:50 ninazerg wrote: I would add to that by saying that Jon Jones appeared to be physically stronger than Daniel Cormier overall. DC had difficulty getting positions and handling Jon Jones when it came down to brute strength. It looked like a lot of leveraging. Jones was a smarter fighter. The bridge jones was making also did a good job of making DC carry him a lot of the time especially in the last 2 rounds. I haate when championship fights go like that for the last two rounds though. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 04 2015 15:56 GreenHorizons wrote: It looked like a lot of leveraging. Jones was a smarter fighter. The bridge jones was making also did a good job of making DC carry him a lot of the time especially in the last 2 rounds. I haate when championship fights go like that for the last two rounds though. Smart of Jones, he figured out DC couldn't do anything about it. Partially DC's fault for not figuring out a solution to it, he kept trying to fight it out, Jones adapted after the Round 2 beating DC gave him, DC didn't change at all to Jones's adjustment. | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
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Ultraliskhero
Canada249 Posts
But man, looking at what these MMA score cards look like makes me a little sad. If I had to do it, there should be ALOT more things on an MMA score card than just a few numbers for every round. | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
--- On January 04 2015 16:27 SynC[gm] wrote: Dunno if anyone is watching the post-fight press conference, but Cormier seemed to have put his heart out there and is devastated that he lost. Teary-eyed, voice breaking... Have to feel for the guy, he made the fight close and competitive but it was ultimately young blood that got the best of him. Man DC is always crying. Bendo cried when he lost his belt, but he did it backstage. (He mentioned it during post fight conference) DC is an emotional guy. You could just tell by watching him on all the VLOGs he's in. Jon Jones crushed his soul. Jones even mentioned it during the VLOG "DC you placing 2nd is a habit." Unfortunately DC is still placing 2nd in events. Least he won some championships in other organizations... just not the big one  | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17855 Posts
for all those who TL DR this 70 minute marathon , Conor Macgregor summarized it nicely. "once the chin is gone it never recovers" | ||
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GrapeApe
1053 Posts
So yeah, I didn't expect DC to gas like that. I mean, I look at Cain and I just don't think he ever gets tired, I figured he'd have DC in killlller shape, ready for 10 rounds. I was wrong. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On January 04 2015 16:12 Ultraliskhero wrote: Cardo Urso, a little off there... lol But man, looking at what these MMA score cards look like makes me a little sad. If I had to do it, there should be ALOT more things on an MMA score card than just a few numbers for every round. I agree the score cards look poor (I dislike the whole 10 point scoring system anyway - seeing how they got those 10-9 doesn't help). | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 04 2015 23:33 GrapeApe wrote: Someone in this thread actually scored that fight as a draw? How drunk did you get at Buffo wild wings to see a draw there? That's a new level hate. So yeah, I didn't expect DC to gas like that. I mean, I look at Cain and I just don't think he ever gets tired, I figured he'd have DC in killlller shape, ready for 10 rounds. I was wrong. If you watched the clinch, Jones made DC carry his weight every time they clinched. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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