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u realize not being able to play for several weeks doesnt help for his other muscles as well do u? 
Especially with Robben being very prone to injuries in that area..
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I wont even comment on the rest, the idea that we know better then a coach with dozens of titles and informations we will never have is just wrong.
This is just laughable. The fact that he has has success in the past in no way makes his decisions infallible. Playing Lahm at a position other than his best position is just plain bad, especially when Rafinha is the best you can muster in his stead. Subbing Robben was stupid, it actually did not accomplish anything. Taking Muller off in that game is idiotic as well, good luck in pk's without him. Gotze is extremely unreliable in Pep's system and frankly Bastian looks neutered somewhat as well. You can't say that because Pep has won trophies with very good teams that it makes sense to only play Benatia in the CL for most of the season when it means you have to play Dante instead. Some of these decisions are so illogical that I think there has to be something I'm missing, that there can be no reason why a sane person would make such questionable moves. But somehow he continues to defy common knowledge and logic and pump out one suboptimal side after another. The bottom line is you can't use his past success or his success in the Bundesliga as a measure of his managerial skill or worth to the team. The litany of poor substitution, roster choices as well as rampant overplaying of key players tell a story of a manager that is leading a team in the wrong direction. Plus they keep getting blown out by equal competition, that's not OK for a team that wants to win another Treble.
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Lahm played many very good games on this position. I dont know what you are talking about. He also played very good vs Barcelona to be honest. Barely any missed pass.
Lahm is exceptional on both positions. T_T
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Fiorentina going for fast counter-attacks when they have the chance but as soon as they come close to the box (~20m) everything falls apart. Terrible, uninspired passing. Apart from 2 chances early on for the Italian side Sevilla looks much sharper.
e: oh shit. the goalie looked sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. what the fuck are you doing?
awesome
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On May 08 2015 05:14 smr wrote:Fiorentina going for fast counter-attacks when they have the chance but as soon as they come close to the box (~20m) everything falls apart. Terrible, uninspired passing. Apart from 2 chances early on for the Italian side Sevilla looks much sharper. e: oh shit. the goalie looked sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. what the fuck are you doing? awesome
First goal looked like he could do a lot better too.
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Apparently we found someone who dislikes Pep more than I do and he is even a Bayern fan. ^^
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Pandemona
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On May 08 2015 01:01 smr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 00:38 Pandemona wrote:On May 07 2015 23:47 Mandalor wrote:On May 07 2015 23:38 Pandemona wrote:On May 07 2015 22:19 Rebs wrote:Yeah your not trolling anyone dude.To be fair there was great truth in that picture and it was pretty funny. So when you respond to that you just sound bitter
Lets be honest even Gary Neville your GOD pundit pretty much went and said "this is the level English clubs should aspire to" not all English clubs minus Chelsea. English clubs. Hmm, there is truth in that picture? That Chelsea were all in shock last night watching that asking if that is real football? All Chelsea fans would have been watching going this is a great game of football, but not thinking damn i wish we had Messi so we can play like Barca, or had half of the German world cup winning squad so we can play like Bayern lol? Gary Neville said that and i agree but thats because everyone would want a Messi or a half a world cup winning squad in there team. You can't play like Barca if you don't have a Messi in your team everyone knows that. Playing like Bayern is more of a blueprint for world football due to they have good stars who have formed a team. I edited out the next part because you wouldn't agree, but out of everyone in England who has the closest squad to Bayern? Solid back 4, good balanced midfield with attacking wide talent and a goal scoring big striker... I'm not Rebs, but I think all the hate Chelsea gets can be summarized quickly by stating these facts: - Chelsea has an incredibly talented squad with great offensive capabilities, but when they face decent opposition they'll field 10 defenders and hope for dumb luck. It's both boring and incredibly infuriating to watch.
- Chelsea FC has sold their soul for money from a very questionable dude.
- They have very passionate fans, at least on this board, despite the earlier points. I don't understand why.
Wow. We don't field 10 defenders, the recent game vs Man Utd we put Zouma as a holding midfielder alongside Matic and played without a striker due to every striker was injured? vs PSG we played Matic and Fabregas holding midfield with Hazard Oscar Willian and Costa. That is not 10 defenders, dont add fuel to the fire of Barcelona hate with straight up silly things like that. People can hate Chelsea i don't care that is fine, but to say we field 10 defenders in big games and sold our soul to a Russian oil giant who is a questionable dude is quite ridiculous thing to say when he has invested so much and turned the club into such a big one and saved us from going out of business... We have passionate fans because we are club who win things, if you were alive when Liverpool were in their peak you would not have survived on places like TL (if internet existed back then xD) due to how passionate they are they are insane. But anyway those point you listed if thats why Chelsea is hated then so be it because they are wrong lol. I don't think about Abramovich alot these days but the way he helped Chelsea says nothing about the way his company is run. (I have no idea about the way his company is run but his business in London cannot be taken as an argument for his business in Russia. I don't even care who is right, just didn't like the argument, sorry Pande : ) ) When it comes to fans overall the sample size is so small in this forum I'd call it totally random. I mean is there a single Real fan on this board? Cannot think of anybody which seems highly unlikely. I'd say the Netherlands and Germany have a somewhat okay distribution of vocal fans on this board but when it comes to all the other countries it's kinda lopsided. Mind you that a lot of people might not talk about their favourite club because they're unknown in some parts of the World. I bet you that we have a few fans of Germany's Red Devils (Kaiserslautern) in here but they are a 2nd league team and every time Germany is mentioned Dortmund and München dominate the discussion. We haven't heard a lot about Exeter or whatever 4th league club in recent weeks. I demand an update! (in the other thread obviously ; ) )
He sold his company about 6 months into owning Chelsea, thats why he has money because he has nothing. Now i think he is invested in a company somewhere but other than that he is living off his billions he has made from selling his oil company. He is friends with Putin enough said, you cannot question him :')
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holy shit neapel just got screwed hard
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Europa league more like La Liga and friends.
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On May 08 2015 04:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 23:41 sharkie wrote:On May 07 2015 23:36 Mandalor wrote:
Blaming Pep for this loss is very narrow-minded imo. Bayern has been super dependent on Robben and Ribery in the past few years. With both of them out, Pep had to take chances and it didn't work out. Just imagine how that game would've went if Barca couldn't field Messi. Just one player. Totally different game right there.
The DFB Pokal loss vs Dortmund was just super unlucky. Honestly, I am much more of a Dortmund fan than a Bayern fan, but still it was quite clear to me that Bayern deserved to win that game. They just had a ton of bad luck there, and were missing key players, once again.
I guess Pep could have made them park the bus, Chelsea style, but the team isn't used to that and it probably would have failed miserably and pissed the fans off, too. I honestly don't think there was much Pep could do there. except not sending out Robben in the dfb match against dortmund and keep Robben healthy? I guess thats too much to ask for... Pep has been making many mistakes these two years and they have just accumulated now to losses to Porto and Barca. Or are Pep fans really going to tell me giving Lahm the stupid idea of becoming a DM, selling Kroos, sending Thiago to some doctor in Spain, subbing in Robben when ahead 1-0 in DFB cup match and selling Mandzukic (another vital player under Heynkes) were actually genius decisions? Also funny how Dante and Götze became suddenly so bad under Pep. Robben has a torn muscle in his left leg right now. Before that he had a rip in his abdominal muscles. Please explain me from a medical perpective the connection between these two muscles. I wont even comment on the rest, the idea that we know better then a coach with dozens of titles and informations we will never have is just wrong.
1) Robben had not played for a long time before that game, meaning he wasn't in top shape, and thus more susceptible to injury.
2) It is also an incredibly basic principle of human physiology that if you are sick/injured, you are more susceptible to further sickness/injuries.
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On May 08 2015 06:03 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 04:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On May 07 2015 23:41 sharkie wrote:On May 07 2015 23:36 Mandalor wrote:
Blaming Pep for this loss is very narrow-minded imo. Bayern has been super dependent on Robben and Ribery in the past few years. With both of them out, Pep had to take chances and it didn't work out. Just imagine how that game would've went if Barca couldn't field Messi. Just one player. Totally different game right there.
The DFB Pokal loss vs Dortmund was just super unlucky. Honestly, I am much more of a Dortmund fan than a Bayern fan, but still it was quite clear to me that Bayern deserved to win that game. They just had a ton of bad luck there, and were missing key players, once again.
I guess Pep could have made them park the bus, Chelsea style, but the team isn't used to that and it probably would have failed miserably and pissed the fans off, too. I honestly don't think there was much Pep could do there. except not sending out Robben in the dfb match against dortmund and keep Robben healthy? I guess thats too much to ask for... Pep has been making many mistakes these two years and they have just accumulated now to losses to Porto and Barca. Or are Pep fans really going to tell me giving Lahm the stupid idea of becoming a DM, selling Kroos, sending Thiago to some doctor in Spain, subbing in Robben when ahead 1-0 in DFB cup match and selling Mandzukic (another vital player under Heynkes) were actually genius decisions? Also funny how Dante and Götze became suddenly so bad under Pep. Robben has a torn muscle in his left leg right now. Before that he had a rip in his abdominal muscles. Please explain me from a medical perpective the connection between these two muscles. I wont even comment on the rest, the idea that we know better then a coach with dozens of titles and informations we will never have is just wrong. 1) Robben had not played for a long time before that game, meaning he wasn't in top shape, and thus more susceptible to injury. 2) It is also an incredibly basic principle of human physiology that if you are sick/injured, you are more susceptible to further sickness/injuries.
....... These are both very very vague reasons. Im sorry if you are going to make this kind of argument then no one should ever come back from an injury like... ever. He healed, he trained he played and went off. It couldve happened at a playground.
You cant hurt calf because you hurt your abdomen earlier, especially when its healed.. Thats really not how human physiology works let alone being a basic principle. I have 2 doctors from the Cleveland clinic laughing at this right now so dont take it from me.
A weak immmune system is one thing but your logic is a stretch.
He was passed fit to play. So he played. Unless there is any evidence otherwise I dont get it. Besides he's 31 and has made a career of being made of glass. Sure Pep probably didnt need to do it but its not like he ran Robben into the ground with a whip, despite what you might want people to believe.
Players get old, they wear down they start getting chronically hurt. Its literally happened to sooo many of them. Thats a cycle most teams deal with when they rely on them alot.
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I remember when Robben was a Real Madrid player, he was always injured. He was always very fragile.
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On May 08 2015 06:17 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 06:03 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 08 2015 04:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On May 07 2015 23:41 sharkie wrote:On May 07 2015 23:36 Mandalor wrote:
Blaming Pep for this loss is very narrow-minded imo. Bayern has been super dependent on Robben and Ribery in the past few years. With both of them out, Pep had to take chances and it didn't work out. Just imagine how that game would've went if Barca couldn't field Messi. Just one player. Totally different game right there.
The DFB Pokal loss vs Dortmund was just super unlucky. Honestly, I am much more of a Dortmund fan than a Bayern fan, but still it was quite clear to me that Bayern deserved to win that game. They just had a ton of bad luck there, and were missing key players, once again.
I guess Pep could have made them park the bus, Chelsea style, but the team isn't used to that and it probably would have failed miserably and pissed the fans off, too. I honestly don't think there was much Pep could do there. except not sending out Robben in the dfb match against dortmund and keep Robben healthy? I guess thats too much to ask for... Pep has been making many mistakes these two years and they have just accumulated now to losses to Porto and Barca. Or are Pep fans really going to tell me giving Lahm the stupid idea of becoming a DM, selling Kroos, sending Thiago to some doctor in Spain, subbing in Robben when ahead 1-0 in DFB cup match and selling Mandzukic (another vital player under Heynkes) were actually genius decisions? Also funny how Dante and Götze became suddenly so bad under Pep. Robben has a torn muscle in his left leg right now. Before that he had a rip in his abdominal muscles. Please explain me from a medical perpective the connection between these two muscles. I wont even comment on the rest, the idea that we know better then a coach with dozens of titles and informations we will never have is just wrong. 1) Robben had not played for a long time before that game, meaning he wasn't in top shape, and thus more susceptible to injury. 2) It is also an incredibly basic principle of human physiology that if you are sick/injured, you are more susceptible to further sickness/injuries. ....... These are both very very vague reasons. Im sorry if you are going to make this kind of argument then no one should ever come back from an injury like... ever. He healed, he trained he played and went off. It couldve happened at a playground. You cant hurt calf because you hurt your abdomen earlier, especially when its healed.. Thats really not how human physiology works let alone being a basic principle. I have 2 doctors from the Cleveland clinic laughing at this right now so dont take it from me. A weak immmune system is one thing but your logic is a stretch. He was passed fit to play. So he played. Unless there is any evidence otherwise I dont get it. Besides he's 31 and has made a career of being made of glass. Sure Pep probably didnt need to do it but its not like he ran Robben into the ground with a whip, despite what you might want people to believe. Players get old, they wear down they start getting chronically hurt. Its literally happened to sooo many of them. Thats a cycle most teams deal with when they rely on them alot.
Yea I'm not about to trust some random "Docs from the Cleveland clinic" (even if they actually do exist) when I myself am a medical professional, so don't try that bullshit with me.
Really, you're gonna have to do a little better than that.
That aside, it's not like having the one injury made him a ticking time bomb where the slightest adverse effect would cause another injury. The point is that he was coming back from an injury, hadn't played in weeks, and ended up coming into a game where he wasn't necessary at all when the Barcelona game was one week later. Why put him out there then? It was simply an unnecessary risk with his recent injury, the way the game was played (the whole thing was extremely physical), and a much, much more important game coming up.
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i am also a doctor and i think both of your opinion suck. and i have another 3 doctors laughing at this.
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I don't know, rebs seems more pro to me.
Stratos_spear did refer to that mambo jambo homeopathy ex-bayern doctor as "respected", so, there's something fishy with his story.
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On May 08 2015 11:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 06:17 Rebs wrote:On May 08 2015 06:03 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 08 2015 04:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On May 07 2015 23:41 sharkie wrote:On May 07 2015 23:36 Mandalor wrote:
Blaming Pep for this loss is very narrow-minded imo. Bayern has been super dependent on Robben and Ribery in the past few years. With both of them out, Pep had to take chances and it didn't work out. Just imagine how that game would've went if Barca couldn't field Messi. Just one player. Totally different game right there.
The DFB Pokal loss vs Dortmund was just super unlucky. Honestly, I am much more of a Dortmund fan than a Bayern fan, but still it was quite clear to me that Bayern deserved to win that game. They just had a ton of bad luck there, and were missing key players, once again.
I guess Pep could have made them park the bus, Chelsea style, but the team isn't used to that and it probably would have failed miserably and pissed the fans off, too. I honestly don't think there was much Pep could do there. except not sending out Robben in the dfb match against dortmund and keep Robben healthy? I guess thats too much to ask for... Pep has been making many mistakes these two years and they have just accumulated now to losses to Porto and Barca. Or are Pep fans really going to tell me giving Lahm the stupid idea of becoming a DM, selling Kroos, sending Thiago to some doctor in Spain, subbing in Robben when ahead 1-0 in DFB cup match and selling Mandzukic (another vital player under Heynkes) were actually genius decisions? Also funny how Dante and Götze became suddenly so bad under Pep. Robben has a torn muscle in his left leg right now. Before that he had a rip in his abdominal muscles. Please explain me from a medical perpective the connection between these two muscles. I wont even comment on the rest, the idea that we know better then a coach with dozens of titles and informations we will never have is just wrong. 1) Robben had not played for a long time before that game, meaning he wasn't in top shape, and thus more susceptible to injury. 2) It is also an incredibly basic principle of human physiology that if you are sick/injured, you are more susceptible to further sickness/injuries. ....... These are both very very vague reasons. Im sorry if you are going to make this kind of argument then no one should ever come back from an injury like... ever. He healed, he trained he played and went off. It couldve happened at a playground. You cant hurt calf because you hurt your abdomen earlier, especially when its healed.. Thats really not how human physiology works let alone being a basic principle. I have 2 doctors from the Cleveland clinic laughing at this right now so dont take it from me. A weak immmune system is one thing but your logic is a stretch. He was passed fit to play. So he played. Unless there is any evidence otherwise I dont get it. Besides he's 31 and has made a career of being made of glass. Sure Pep probably didnt need to do it but its not like he ran Robben into the ground with a whip, despite what you might want people to believe. Players get old, they wear down they start getting chronically hurt. Its literally happened to sooo many of them. Thats a cycle most teams deal with when they rely on them alot. Yea I'm not about to trust some random "Docs from the Cleveland clinic" (even if they actually do exist) when I myself am a medical professional, so don't try that bullshit with me. Really, you're gonna have to do a little better than that. That aside, it's not like having the one injury made him a ticking time bomb where the slightest adverse effect would cause another injury. The point is that he was coming back from an injury, hadn't played in weeks, and ended up coming into a game where he wasn't necessary at all when the Barcelona game was one week later. Why put him out there then? It was simply an unnecessary risk with his recent injury, the way the game was played (the whole thing was extremely physical), and a much, much more important game coming up.
Yeah one is a cardiothoracic surgeon and the just got his residency. Half my graduating class are doctors with very lucrative contracts. I can ask a few more but I doubt they will agree with you.
+ Show Spoiler +You want Linkedins? Dont call out bullshit you know I can back up. Medical professional sounds like a nurse or a guy at the pharmacy. Especially one that doesnt know how crazy competetive getting a residency at the Cleveland clinic is, "random doctors" lol thats pretty insulting to guys who spent 6 years of their lives studying 14-18 hours a day. I think ill go with them yea. I know for a fact we've worked much harder than you at whatever we do to be experts in our fields. Thats not ever arrogance because its just that we have to do so much more to get anywhere really. Kinda like Pep if you think about it. + Show Spoiler +Wow this turned into a dick measuring contest liek for reals. Really wasnt where I planned to go. So when people are like "this neck injury is a real pain in the ass" their may be some basic physiological reasoning for it.
On a more topical note.
I didnt disagree with the fact that he didnt need to be risked. He didnt, Bayern were playing well enough anyway. But then just stick to that. Dont bring up arguments that dont fly because people might know how things work. Basic principles lol.
On May 08 2015 11:58 Steveling wrote:
I don't know, rebs seems more pro to me.
Stratos_spear did refer to that mambo jambo homeopathy ex-bayern doctor as "respected", so, there's something fishy with his story.
Yeah the only reference I ever get about that Wolfhard dude or whatever his name is "controversial" thats like his middle name.
I guess when doctors who play with peoples lives and livelhoods (in this case) experiment its ok if they are wrong sometimes. But Pep, God forbid he do it. NO NO NO !
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On May 08 2015 11:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 06:17 Rebs wrote:On May 08 2015 06:03 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 08 2015 04:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On May 07 2015 23:41 sharkie wrote:On May 07 2015 23:36 Mandalor wrote:
Blaming Pep for this loss is very narrow-minded imo. Bayern has been super dependent on Robben and Ribery in the past few years. With both of them out, Pep had to take chances and it didn't work out. Just imagine how that game would've went if Barca couldn't field Messi. Just one player. Totally different game right there.
The DFB Pokal loss vs Dortmund was just super unlucky. Honestly, I am much more of a Dortmund fan than a Bayern fan, but still it was quite clear to me that Bayern deserved to win that game. They just had a ton of bad luck there, and were missing key players, once again.
I guess Pep could have made them park the bus, Chelsea style, but the team isn't used to that and it probably would have failed miserably and pissed the fans off, too. I honestly don't think there was much Pep could do there. except not sending out Robben in the dfb match against dortmund and keep Robben healthy? I guess thats too much to ask for... Pep has been making many mistakes these two years and they have just accumulated now to losses to Porto and Barca. Or are Pep fans really going to tell me giving Lahm the stupid idea of becoming a DM, selling Kroos, sending Thiago to some doctor in Spain, subbing in Robben when ahead 1-0 in DFB cup match and selling Mandzukic (another vital player under Heynkes) were actually genius decisions? Also funny how Dante and Götze became suddenly so bad under Pep. Robben has a torn muscle in his left leg right now. Before that he had a rip in his abdominal muscles. Please explain me from a medical perpective the connection between these two muscles. I wont even comment on the rest, the idea that we know better then a coach with dozens of titles and informations we will never have is just wrong. 1) Robben had not played for a long time before that game, meaning he wasn't in top shape, and thus more susceptible to injury. 2) It is also an incredibly basic principle of human physiology that if you are sick/injured, you are more susceptible to further sickness/injuries. ....... These are both very very vague reasons. Im sorry if you are going to make this kind of argument then no one should ever come back from an injury like... ever. He healed, he trained he played and went off. It couldve happened at a playground. You cant hurt calf because you hurt your abdomen earlier, especially when its healed.. Thats really not how human physiology works let alone being a basic principle. I have 2 doctors from the Cleveland clinic laughing at this right now so dont take it from me. A weak immmune system is one thing but your logic is a stretch. He was passed fit to play. So he played. Unless there is any evidence otherwise I dont get it. Besides he's 31 and has made a career of being made of glass. Sure Pep probably didnt need to do it but its not like he ran Robben into the ground with a whip, despite what you might want people to believe. Players get old, they wear down they start getting chronically hurt. Its literally happened to sooo many of them. Thats a cycle most teams deal with when they rely on them alot. Yea I'm not about to trust some random "Docs from the Cleveland clinic" (even if they actually do exist) when I myself am a medical professional, so don't try that bullshit with me. Really, you're gonna have to do a little better than that. That aside, it's not like having the one injury made him a ticking time bomb where the slightest adverse effect would cause another injury. The point is that he was coming back from an injury, hadn't played in weeks, and ended up coming into a game where he wasn't necessary at all when the Barcelona game was one week later. Why put him out there then? It was simply an unnecessary risk with his recent injury, the way the game was played (the whole thing was extremely physical), and a much, much more important game coming up.
On the other hand do you want to throw Robben into that important game? Saturday->Tuesday will be much harder on him than a 7 day pause so you'd rather risk defeat with a potentially weak Robben in a national cup semi-final instead of destroying him by playing him twice in 3 days.
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Ireland, England and Netherlands got additional fair play places in Europa League for next season. It's hard for me to understand how Netherlands get it after Roma vs Feyenoord.
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On May 08 2015 20:50 lprk wrote:
Ireland, England and Netherlands got additional fair play places in Europa League for next season. It's hard for me to understand how Netherlands get it after Roma vs Feyenoord. Hm, yeah, it at least makes me wonder how the fair play ranking is determined.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Respect_Fair_Play_ranking
Ah, fan behaviour doesn't really have a lot of influence. Also, it suggests that a score is determined per team, so that dilutes the incident even further.
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