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On May 07 2015 23:41 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 23:36 Mandalor wrote:
Blaming Pep for this loss is very narrow-minded imo. Bayern has been super dependent on Robben and Ribery in the past few years. With both of them out, Pep had to take chances and it didn't work out. Just imagine how that game would've went if Barca couldn't field Messi. Just one player. Totally different game right there.
The DFB Pokal loss vs Dortmund was just super unlucky. Honestly, I am much more of a Dortmund fan than a Bayern fan, but still it was quite clear to me that Bayern deserved to win that game. They just had a ton of bad luck there, and were missing key players, once again.
I guess Pep could have made them park the bus, Chelsea style, but the team isn't used to that and it probably would have failed miserably and pissed the fans off, too. I honestly don't think there was much Pep could do there. except not sending out Robben in the dfb match against dortmund and keep Robben healthy? I guess thats too much to ask for... Pep has been making many mistakes these two years and they have just accumulated now to losses to Porto and Barca. Or are Pep fans really going to tell me giving Lahm the stupid idea of becoming a DM, selling Kroos, sending Thiago to some doctor in Spain, subbing in Robben when ahead 1-0 in DFB cup match and selling Mandzukic (another vital player under Heynkes) were actually genius decisions? Also funny how Dante and Götze became suddenly so bad under Pep.
I don't know why he subbed in Robben vs Dortmund and I guess that was a mistake in hindsight. Maybe it was a signal for the team to keep pushing? Bringing in one more offensive option to keep things going? I'm not Pep, but I can see viable reasons. All that granted Robben was actually considered fit to play and had the okay from the medical staff.
I'm not a Pep fan, I'm neutral. It's just easy to bash him right now. Heynckes would not have beaten Barca yesterday.
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On May 07 2015 08:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 08:43 danzii wrote:I have no idea how anyone could ever justify claiming that Messi isn't the best. well I think he is the best. But not in every aspect of the game. Zidane had the better vision; Henry was faster; ok.. I know .. Imho Messi is the most spectacular player to ever play the game so far. Its just hard to name a single GOAT because football has many different aspects and you cant really compare Zidane with Messi e.g If hes the best ever is up to debate. If hes one of the goats (already now ..) is not up to debate. Its a fact.
Pele was better, thats not a debate
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On May 07 2015 23:47 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 23:38 Pandemona wrote:On May 07 2015 22:19 Rebs wrote:Yeah your not trolling anyone dude.To be fair there was great truth in that picture and it was pretty funny. So when you respond to that you just sound bitter
Lets be honest even Gary Neville your GOD pundit pretty much went and said "this is the level English clubs should aspire to" not all English clubs minus Chelsea. English clubs. Hmm, there is truth in that picture? That Chelsea were all in shock last night watching that asking if that is real football? All Chelsea fans would have been watching going this is a great game of football, but not thinking damn i wish we had Messi so we can play like Barca, or had half of the German world cup winning squad so we can play like Bayern lol? Gary Neville said that and i agree but thats because everyone would want a Messi or a half a world cup winning squad in there team. You can't play like Barca if you don't have a Messi in your team everyone knows that. Playing like Bayern is more of a blueprint for world football due to they have good stars who have formed a team. I edited out the next part because you wouldn't agree, but out of everyone in England who has the closest squad to Bayern? Solid back 4, good balanced midfield with attacking wide talent and a goal scoring big striker... I'm not Rebs, but I think all the hate Chelsea gets can be summarized quickly by stating these facts: - Chelsea has an incredibly talented squad with great offensive capabilities, but when they face decent opposition they'll field 10 defenders and hope for dumb luck. It's both boring and incredibly infuriating to watch.
- Chelsea FC has sold their soul for money from a very questionable dude.
- They have very passionate fans, at least on this board, despite the earlier points. I don't understand why.
Honestly I am also baffled by your third point. I have no clue why there are so many Chelsea fans on this board apart from sheer coincidence.
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On May 07 2015 23:47 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 23:38 Pandemona wrote:On May 07 2015 22:19 Rebs wrote:Yeah your not trolling anyone dude.To be fair there was great truth in that picture and it was pretty funny. So when you respond to that you just sound bitter
Lets be honest even Gary Neville your GOD pundit pretty much went and said "this is the level English clubs should aspire to" not all English clubs minus Chelsea. English clubs. Hmm, there is truth in that picture? That Chelsea were all in shock last night watching that asking if that is real football? All Chelsea fans would have been watching going this is a great game of football, but not thinking damn i wish we had Messi so we can play like Barca, or had half of the German world cup winning squad so we can play like Bayern lol? Gary Neville said that and i agree but thats because everyone would want a Messi or a half a world cup winning squad in there team. You can't play like Barca if you don't have a Messi in your team everyone knows that. Playing like Bayern is more of a blueprint for world football due to they have good stars who have formed a team. I edited out the next part because you wouldn't agree, but out of everyone in England who has the closest squad to Bayern? Solid back 4, good balanced midfield with attacking wide talent and a goal scoring big striker... I'm not Rebs, but I think all the hate Chelsea gets can be summarized quickly by stating these facts: - Chelsea has an incredibly talented squad with great offensive capabilities, but when they face decent opposition they'll field 10 defenders and hope for dumb luck. It's both boring and incredibly infuriating to watch.
- Chelsea FC has sold their soul for money from a very questionable dude.
- They have very passionate fans, at least on this board, despite the earlier points. I don't understand why.
Wow.
We don't field 10 defenders, the recent game vs Man Utd we put Zouma as a holding midfielder alongside Matic and played without a striker due to every striker was injured? vs PSG we played Matic and Fabregas holding midfield with Hazard Oscar Willian and Costa. That is not 10 defenders, dont add fuel to the fire of Barcelona hate with straight up silly things like that.
People can hate Chelsea i don't care that is fine, but to say we field 10 defenders in big games and sold our soul to a Russian oil giant who is a questionable dude is quite ridiculous thing to say when he has invested so much and turned the club into such a big one and saved us from going out of business...
We have passionate fans because we are club who win things, if you were alive when Liverpool were in their peak you would not have survived on places like TL (if internet existed back then xD) due to how passionate they are they are insane.
But anyway those point you listed if thats why Chelsea is hated then so be it because they are wrong lol.
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On May 07 2015 23:58 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 08:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On May 07 2015 08:43 danzii wrote:I have no idea how anyone could ever justify claiming that Messi isn't the best. well I think he is the best. But not in every aspect of the game. Zidane had the better vision; Henry was faster; ok.. I know .. Imho Messi is the most spectacular player to ever play the game so far. Its just hard to name a single GOAT because football has many different aspects and you cant really compare Zidane with Messi e.g If hes the best ever is up to debate. If hes one of the goats (already now ..) is not up to debate. Its a fact. Pele was better, thats not a debate
What makes you think that with that kind of certainty? Did you see Pele play regularly? I strongly doubt that even if you'd happen to be 60 years old.
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On May 08 2015 00:38 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 23:47 Mandalor wrote:On May 07 2015 23:38 Pandemona wrote:On May 07 2015 22:19 Rebs wrote:Yeah your not trolling anyone dude.To be fair there was great truth in that picture and it was pretty funny. So when you respond to that you just sound bitter
Lets be honest even Gary Neville your GOD pundit pretty much went and said "this is the level English clubs should aspire to" not all English clubs minus Chelsea. English clubs. Hmm, there is truth in that picture? That Chelsea were all in shock last night watching that asking if that is real football? All Chelsea fans would have been watching going this is a great game of football, but not thinking damn i wish we had Messi so we can play like Barca, or had half of the German world cup winning squad so we can play like Bayern lol? Gary Neville said that and i agree but thats because everyone would want a Messi or a half a world cup winning squad in there team. You can't play like Barca if you don't have a Messi in your team everyone knows that. Playing like Bayern is more of a blueprint for world football due to they have good stars who have formed a team. I edited out the next part because you wouldn't agree, but out of everyone in England who has the closest squad to Bayern? Solid back 4, good balanced midfield with attacking wide talent and a goal scoring big striker... I'm not Rebs, but I think all the hate Chelsea gets can be summarized quickly by stating these facts: - Chelsea has an incredibly talented squad with great offensive capabilities, but when they face decent opposition they'll field 10 defenders and hope for dumb luck. It's both boring and incredibly infuriating to watch.
- Chelsea FC has sold their soul for money from a very questionable dude.
- They have very passionate fans, at least on this board, despite the earlier points. I don't understand why.
Wow. We don't field 10 defenders, the recent game vs Man Utd we put Zouma as a holding midfielder alongside Matic and played without a striker due to every striker was injured? vs PSG we played Matic and Fabregas holding midfield with Hazard Oscar Willian and Costa. That is not 10 defenders, dont add fuel to the fire of Barcelona hate with straight up silly things like that. People can hate Chelsea i don't care that is fine, but to say we field 10 defenders in big games and sold our soul to a Russian oil giant who is a questionable dude is quite ridiculous thing to say when he has invested so much and turned the club into such a big one and saved us from going out of business... We have passionate fans because we are club who win things, if you were alive when Liverpool were in their peak you would not have survived on places like TL (if internet existed back then xD) due to how passionate they are they are insane. But anyway those point you listed if thats why Chelsea is hated then so be it because they are wrong lol.
I don't think about Abramovich alot these days but the way he helped Chelsea says nothing about the way his company is run. (I have no idea about the way his company is run but his business in London cannot be taken as an argument for his business in Russia. I don't even care who is right, just didn't like the argument, sorry Pande : ) )
When it comes to fans overall the sample size is so small in this forum I'd call it totally random.
I mean is there a single Real fan on this board? Cannot think of anybody which seems highly unlikely. I'd say the Netherlands and Germany have a somewhat okay distribution of vocal fans on this board but when it comes to all the other countries it's kinda lopsided. Mind you that a lot of people might not talk about their favourite club because they're unknown in some parts of the World. I bet you that we have a few fans of Germany's Red Devils (Kaiserslautern) in here but they are a 2nd league team and every time Germany is mentioned Dortmund and München dominate the discussion.
We haven't heard a lot about Exeter or whatever 4th league club in recent weeks. I demand an update! (in the other thread obviously ; ) )
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On May 07 2015 23:47 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 23:38 Pandemona wrote:On May 07 2015 22:19 Rebs wrote:Yeah your not trolling anyone dude.To be fair there was great truth in that picture and it was pretty funny. So when you respond to that you just sound bitter
Lets be honest even Gary Neville your GOD pundit pretty much went and said "this is the level English clubs should aspire to" not all English clubs minus Chelsea. English clubs. Hmm, there is truth in that picture? That Chelsea were all in shock last night watching that asking if that is real football? All Chelsea fans would have been watching going this is a great game of football, but not thinking damn i wish we had Messi so we can play like Barca, or had half of the German world cup winning squad so we can play like Bayern lol? Gary Neville said that and i agree but thats because everyone would want a Messi or a half a world cup winning squad in there team. You can't play like Barca if you don't have a Messi in your team everyone knows that. Playing like Bayern is more of a blueprint for world football due to they have good stars who have formed a team. I edited out the next part because you wouldn't agree, but out of everyone in England who has the closest squad to Bayern? Solid back 4, good balanced midfield with attacking wide talent and a goal scoring big striker... I'm not Rebs, but I think all the hate Chelsea gets can be summarized quickly by stating these facts: - Chelsea has an incredibly talented squad with great offensive capabilities, but when they face decent opposition they'll field 10 defenders and hope for dumb luck. It's both boring and incredibly infuriating to watch.
- Chelsea FC has sold their soul for money from a very questionable dude.
- They have very passionate fans, at least on this board, despite the earlier points. I don't understand why.
I have no problems with Chelsea. I have somewhat of a problem with being told that "defensive masterclasses" serve the role of a protagonist in a football match. Especially with the wealth of talent at the disposal when doing it. It works, its effective but it doesnt contribute anything to the sport. Its just winning. Thats a good way to play. But it will never be great. No one looks back fondly on any Mou teams. Like they do Fergies, or Peps. Heck even Van Gaals Ajax were revolutionary. Mourinho beats you by playing 8 out of 10 every week and the occasional 9. Its upto you too beat that. Its solid and its consistent.
It takes 2 teams to make a game. And both of them played beautifully yesterday.
You put Alaba, Robben (top goalscorer hello?) Ribery and even a fit Javi Martinez in yesterdays Bayern and I guarantee you they at the very least score 1 and let in 1 maybe 2. Schweini and Lahm are well past their best and all of Bayerns chances came primarily from the amazing industry of Muller and Lewandowski. Imagine if they werent so isolated. Very scary.
As for Bayerns blueprint. Thats simply a stylistic preference. Bayern had one really good season. There are plenty of teams who have the odd "really" good season. Even Porto did. Thats not really game breaking tbh. They were great yes but they had alot of things going for them players make the system not the other way round.
Also Sharkie your "Guardialo causes injuries crusade" is getting silly. There was no gaurantee Robben wouldnt have gotten hurt if he had been saved for this game. And Guardiola's track record with injuries is wayyyy better than Robbens who is literally made of glass. You also have to appreciate that these players are now very worn and more prone to injury. Barcelona has had the same rut that Bayern is in now and has fresh faces that sparked the revival. Could he have handled it better? Maybe hindsight is 20 20. Saying something is being done wrong after the fact is pretty armchair doucebaggy.
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On May 07 2015 23:58 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 08:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On May 07 2015 08:43 danzii wrote:I have no idea how anyone could ever justify claiming that Messi isn't the best. well I think he is the best. But not in every aspect of the game. Zidane had the better vision; Henry was faster; ok.. I know .. Imho Messi is the most spectacular player to ever play the game so far. Its just hard to name a single GOAT because football has many different aspects and you cant really compare Zidane with Messi e.g If hes the best ever is up to debate. If hes one of the goats (already now ..) is not up to debate. Its a fact. Pele was better, thats not a debate
1) Football has evolved and the general level of play (especially in europe compared to other parts of the world) has increased a lot.
2) Did u watch Pele to come to that conclusion?
3) Do you really think he was more gifted than Messi?
For sure Pele is one of the goats but tbh I dont see how its not up to debate T_T
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On May 08 2015 00:38 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 23:47 Mandalor wrote:On May 07 2015 23:38 Pandemona wrote:On May 07 2015 22:19 Rebs wrote:Yeah your not trolling anyone dude.To be fair there was great truth in that picture and it was pretty funny. So when you respond to that you just sound bitter
Lets be honest even Gary Neville your GOD pundit pretty much went and said "this is the level English clubs should aspire to" not all English clubs minus Chelsea. English clubs. Hmm, there is truth in that picture? That Chelsea were all in shock last night watching that asking if that is real football? All Chelsea fans would have been watching going this is a great game of football, but not thinking damn i wish we had Messi so we can play like Barca, or had half of the German world cup winning squad so we can play like Bayern lol? Gary Neville said that and i agree but thats because everyone would want a Messi or a half a world cup winning squad in there team. You can't play like Barca if you don't have a Messi in your team everyone knows that. Playing like Bayern is more of a blueprint for world football due to they have good stars who have formed a team. I edited out the next part because you wouldn't agree, but out of everyone in England who has the closest squad to Bayern? Solid back 4, good balanced midfield with attacking wide talent and a goal scoring big striker... I'm not Rebs, but I think all the hate Chelsea gets can be summarized quickly by stating these facts: - Chelsea has an incredibly talented squad with great offensive capabilities, but when they face decent opposition they'll field 10 defenders and hope for dumb luck. It's both boring and incredibly infuriating to watch.
- Chelsea FC has sold their soul for money from a very questionable dude.
- They have very passionate fans, at least on this board, despite the earlier points. I don't understand why.
Wow. We don't field 10 defenders, the recent game vs Man Utd we put Zouma as a holding midfielder alongside Matic and played without a striker due to every striker was injured? vs PSG we played Matic and Fabregas holding midfield with Hazard Oscar Willian and Costa. That is not 10 defenders, dont add fuel to the fire of Barcelona hate with straight up silly things like that. People can hate Chelsea i don't care that is fine, but to say we field 10 defenders in big games and sold our soul to a Russian oil giant who is a questionable dude is quite ridiculous thing to say when he has invested so much and turned the club into such a big one and saved us from going out of business... We have passionate fans because we are club who win things, if you were alive when Liverpool were in their peak you would not have survived on places like TL (if internet existed back then xD) due to how passionate they are they are insane. But anyway those point you listed if thats why Chelsea is hated then so be it because they are wrong lol.
The only club that is worse than Chelsea (in terms of "selling out"/being a "plastic club") is Man City, and Stamford Bridge sounds like a ghost town most home games.
You can be rich and win all you want, but you gotta at least own the facts of your club. Don't be delusional and pretend that the way you guys play is exciting. It isn't. The whole world knows it. It's boring as all hell. But it's fine, winning is winning. Just own it. You sound far more ridiculous trying to deny it than you would if you just said, "Yea, but at least we're winning".
It's what the Italians do. 
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On May 08 2015 01:43 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 23:58 Faruko wrote:On May 07 2015 08:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On May 07 2015 08:43 danzii wrote:I have no idea how anyone could ever justify claiming that Messi isn't the best. well I think he is the best. But not in every aspect of the game. Zidane had the better vision; Henry was faster; ok.. I know .. Imho Messi is the most spectacular player to ever play the game so far. Its just hard to name a single GOAT because football has many different aspects and you cant really compare Zidane with Messi e.g If hes the best ever is up to debate. If hes one of the goats (already now ..) is not up to debate. Its a fact. Pele was better, thats not a debate 1) Football has evolved and the general level of play (especially in europe compared to other parts of the world) has increased a lot. 2) Did u watch Pele to come to that conclusion? 3) Do you really think he was more gifted than Messi? For sure Pele is one of the goats but tbh I dont see how its not up to debate T_T
Yea lol Pele used to round defenders that would stand their and go "bravo, well done chap". The game has evolved so Messi is better. Now would Pele be better in this day and age benefiting from the same things Messi did ? Maybe, maybe not. Its not Messi is better because Messi > Pele. Its more like Messi is better in an age where the game is played at such an extraordinary level compared to what it was even 15-20 years ago.
Some of the guys Pele and Maradonna rounded had beer guts like Homer Simpson.
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On May 08 2015 01:46 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 01:43 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On May 07 2015 23:58 Faruko wrote:On May 07 2015 08:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On May 07 2015 08:43 danzii wrote:I have no idea how anyone could ever justify claiming that Messi isn't the best. well I think he is the best. But not in every aspect of the game. Zidane had the better vision; Henry was faster; ok.. I know .. Imho Messi is the most spectacular player to ever play the game so far. Its just hard to name a single GOAT because football has many different aspects and you cant really compare Zidane with Messi e.g If hes the best ever is up to debate. If hes one of the goats (already now ..) is not up to debate. Its a fact. Pele was better, thats not a debate 1) Football has evolved and the general level of play (especially in europe compared to other parts of the world) has increased a lot. 2) Did u watch Pele to come to that conclusion? 3) Do you really think he was more gifted than Messi? For sure Pele is one of the goats but tbh I dont see how its not up to debate T_T Yea lol Pele used to round defenders that would stand their and go "bravo, well done chap". The game has evolved so Messi is better. Now would Pele be better in this day and age benefiting from the same things Messi did ? Maybe, maybe not. Its not Messi is better because Messi > Pele. Its more like Messi is better in an age where the game is played at such an extraordinary level compared to what it was even 15-20 years ago. Some of the guys Pele and Maradonna rounded had beer guts like Homer Simpson.
This exact same argument happens in everything. Basketball, football, Starcraft, art, whatever. You simply cannot compare players from different eras. The most you can do is compare their relative success/dominance vs. the opposition of their time.
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On May 08 2015 01:48 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 01:46 Rebs wrote:On May 08 2015 01:43 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On May 07 2015 23:58 Faruko wrote:On May 07 2015 08:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On May 07 2015 08:43 danzii wrote:I have no idea how anyone could ever justify claiming that Messi isn't the best. well I think he is the best. But not in every aspect of the game. Zidane had the better vision; Henry was faster; ok.. I know .. Imho Messi is the most spectacular player to ever play the game so far. Its just hard to name a single GOAT because football has many different aspects and you cant really compare Zidane with Messi e.g If hes the best ever is up to debate. If hes one of the goats (already now ..) is not up to debate. Its a fact. Pele was better, thats not a debate 1) Football has evolved and the general level of play (especially in europe compared to other parts of the world) has increased a lot. 2) Did u watch Pele to come to that conclusion? 3) Do you really think he was more gifted than Messi? For sure Pele is one of the goats but tbh I dont see how its not up to debate T_T Yea lol Pele used to round defenders that would stand their and go "bravo, well done chap". The game has evolved so Messi is better. Now would Pele be better in this day and age benefiting from the same things Messi did ? Maybe, maybe not. Its not Messi is better because Messi > Pele. Its more like Messi is better in an age where the game is played at such an extraordinary level compared to what it was even 15-20 years ago. Some of the guys Pele and Maradonna rounded had beer guts like Homer Simpson. This exact same argument happens in everything. Basketball, football, Starcraft, art, whatever. You simply cannot compare players from different eras. The most you can do is compare their relative success/dominance vs. the opposition of their time.
Yeap
+ Show Spoiler +but Messi is still better :p
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not even saying messi is better no even saying you can compare them
but the statement that pele is clearly better is just stupid and wrong
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On May 08 2015 01:48 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 01:46 Rebs wrote:On May 08 2015 01:43 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On May 07 2015 23:58 Faruko wrote:On May 07 2015 08:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On May 07 2015 08:43 danzii wrote:I have no idea how anyone could ever justify claiming that Messi isn't the best. well I think he is the best. But not in every aspect of the game. Zidane had the better vision; Henry was faster; ok.. I know .. Imho Messi is the most spectacular player to ever play the game so far. Its just hard to name a single GOAT because football has many different aspects and you cant really compare Zidane with Messi e.g If hes the best ever is up to debate. If hes one of the goats (already now ..) is not up to debate. Its a fact. Pele was better, thats not a debate 1) Football has evolved and the general level of play (especially in europe compared to other parts of the world) has increased a lot. 2) Did u watch Pele to come to that conclusion? 3) Do you really think he was more gifted than Messi? For sure Pele is one of the goats but tbh I dont see how its not up to debate T_T Yea lol Pele used to round defenders that would stand their and go "bravo, well done chap". The game has evolved so Messi is better. Now would Pele be better in this day and age benefiting from the same things Messi did ? Maybe, maybe not. Its not Messi is better because Messi > Pele. Its more like Messi is better in an age where the game is played at such an extraordinary level compared to what it was even 15-20 years ago. Some of the guys Pele and Maradonna rounded had beer guts like Homer Simpson. This exact same argument happens in everything. Basketball, football, Starcraft, art, whatever. You simply cannot compare players from different eras. The most you can do is compare their relative success/dominance vs. the opposition of their time.
Well, then Alfredo Di Stefano is the best. 
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Please, we all know Zidane is GOAT 
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:D:D there is no single goat but there are different goats
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The problem with Messi as GOAT is that he probably will never win a world cup  (even though i don't care about that)
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Well. He nearly had one last year. He'll still be young enough to play in 2018.
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On May 08 2015 02:06 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
not even saying messi is better no even saying you can compare them
but the statement that pele is clearly better is just stupid and wrong
To be honest if Messi grew up on the football culture and was formed as a player in Pele's time he would be a nobody. You had to have more than 50kg back then and you got the shit kicked out of you every game.
Pele in modern times could also flop. Thats why GOAT popularity contests always end up going in circles.
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On May 07 2015 23:41 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 23:36 Mandalor wrote:
Blaming Pep for this loss is very narrow-minded imo. Bayern has been super dependent on Robben and Ribery in the past few years. With both of them out, Pep had to take chances and it didn't work out. Just imagine how that game would've went if Barca couldn't field Messi. Just one player. Totally different game right there.
The DFB Pokal loss vs Dortmund was just super unlucky. Honestly, I am much more of a Dortmund fan than a Bayern fan, but still it was quite clear to me that Bayern deserved to win that game. They just had a ton of bad luck there, and were missing key players, once again.
I guess Pep could have made them park the bus, Chelsea style, but the team isn't used to that and it probably would have failed miserably and pissed the fans off, too. I honestly don't think there was much Pep could do there. except not sending out Robben in the dfb match against dortmund and keep Robben healthy? I guess thats too much to ask for... Pep has been making many mistakes these two years and they have just accumulated now to losses to Porto and Barca. Or are Pep fans really going to tell me giving Lahm the stupid idea of becoming a DM, selling Kroos, sending Thiago to some doctor in Spain, subbing in Robben when ahead 1-0 in DFB cup match and selling Mandzukic (another vital player under Heynkes) were actually genius decisions? Also funny how Dante and Götze became suddenly so bad under Pep.
Robben has a torn muscle in his left leg right now. Before that he had a rip in his abdominal muscles. Please explain me from a medical perpective the connection between these two muscles.
I wont even comment on the rest, the idea that we know better then a coach with dozens of titles and informations we will never have is just wrong.
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