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On March 21 2015 02:38 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:33 Black Gun wrote:On March 21 2015 01:21 sharkie wrote:On March 20 2015 23:33 sAsImre wrote:On March 20 2015 23:27 Pandemona wrote:Chelsea are one of the only teams in Europe who are able to dismantle Barca and their style. Call it ugly or whatever you want, they can still do it and proven so on multiple occasions. There is a difference between trying to play football vs Barcelona and trying to beat them. You want to go and "play football" vs Barcelona carry on all it does is mean you will lose 4-2 5-3 kind of score. You play counter attack with a sured up defense capitalizing on set pieces and you will have more than a good time vs Barcelona. So maybe he is a Chelsea fan posting that as he knows we would probably beat Barca and maybe he dislikes them, but we will never know so  ....not this season anyway. PSG games vs Barca were only good in group stage because didn't mean as much. Proven so when Barca still finished top. 1-1 2-2 in quarter in 2013. (they lost on away goals). And it's ridiculous to say that Chlesea are the onle team able to dismantle Barca when the only team who dismantled Barca was a Bayern playing some excellent football overall, including really good possession football in 2013. this is dismantling: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/22254778http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2013/matches/round=2000350/match=2009610/postmatch/report/On March 20 2015 23:21 jxx wrote:On March 20 2015 22:51 Stratos_speAr wrote:
CL Predictions:
PSG > Barcelona
Atletico Madrid > Real Madrid
Bayern > Porto
Juventus > Monaco
Holy wishful thinking batman I think Monaco takes Juve actually. AM records over RM is insane since they got this crucial win in the cup. Bayern beat Barca by letting them having possession. If you want to beat Barca, never try to beat them in their own game - won't work. I disagree. Bayern is playing their strongest possession game ever, even stronger than last season or the treble season. (even though their play in 2013 was slightly stronger overall since they were stronger defensively.) meanwhile, barcelona's style has slightly shifted away from the extremely possession-based guardiola style. At the moment, I couldn't really predict what would happen in a barca vs bayern matchup. But keep in mind that there is nonetheless a lot of guardiola spirit in barca. If there is one coach on the planet who should know the weaknesses of this system in and out, its Pep. Yes, not the same barca as in 2011 anymore, but I still think this would mean a huge tactical advantage for bayern if they should face barca this season. Btw that semfinal series in 2013 shouldnt be emphasized too heavily. The strongest bayern team in history was facing barca at their weakest moment in half a decade. Oh, and messi was eating too much pizza back then XD" Funny thing though is that Real beat Bayern the exact same way one year after by employing Bayern's tactics 100%. So I don't think Pep really knows the weaknesses of his system.
well, after 1.5 years of dominating everything and everybody, bayern just totally lost their focus after securing the domestic title. then, they werent able to get back to full form for the semifinals against real. also keep in mind that the 0:4 in the 2nd leg is mostly explained by the course of the game, not by real being that much better. yes, real was clearly better both individually and tactically, but not in the dimension of "5:0 on aggregate". and yes, pep sometimes fucks up. but he also is one clever guy that knows how to adapt.
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I think some of you are placing far too much value on a small number of games in trying to determine tactical superiority or predicting the outcome of future games.. It's fair enough to say that it has been shown that Barcelona's weakness is teams that defend super solidly while depending on swift counter attacks and set pieces backed up with enough skill to execute 3-4-pass-attacks, because they have indeed lost some important CL games against slightly worse teams doing exactly this. But extrapolating this into thinking that this Chelsea would be a significant favorite against this Barcelona, that doesn't really work for me... Fact is, on the highest level, games are very frequently decided by coincidences, and this also applies to most of those historical losses for Barcelona. Pit two identical teams against each other first monday then thursday, you get two vastly different matches.
Of course, we gotta discuss something, not trying to discourage that.. and be fanboys, absolutely.. But come on, look at Chelsea's performances the past 2 months and compare with Barcelona, there's no way you can conclude that Chelsea would be clear favorites regardless of how the tactical game plays out.  I think at the start of the season, the pendulum of power was favoring Chelsea, because they were playing truly stellar football then and Barcelona wasn't at close to the level they are now, but based on recent results - and performance even more so - there's just no way..
I hope we get to see a Bayern-Barca game. I guess for me, preferably in the semi final because I don't necessarily want either team to win ( ), but at the very moment, they look like the two strongest teams and imo there's not really any question about it. Wouldn't be surprised if Real Madrid comes back into great shape soon and makes it a trio, but I feel pretty confident one of those three ends up winning.
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After some years this will be a very enjoyable cl for me.
I'd like barca to win ofc, but also bayern, atletico, juve and psg.
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On March 20 2015 23:39 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 23:36 Pandemona wrote:
That was same year of the PSG game which was playing Barca with 1 hand tied behind its back as they are a team based around 1 player. If that player isn't playing or is injured whilst playing it is not against Barcelona.
We will see what happens, but im going to "assume" PSG go to Nou camp and get dismantled again and if they win at home it wont be without conceding thus making the task even harder. I personnaly think PSG is gonna get bullied really hard, especially with Verrati suspended in the home leg, this kid is exactly the kind of player you want versus Barca. But Chelsea wouldn't do a lot better since your counter attack play is just "let's pray hazard pulls off a miracle" in 2015, which is kind of a shame since your first part of the season was exceptionnal both in terms of results and display on the pitch. Bayern is the only side on the level of Barcelona atm, the good thing is that quarters are in 1 month so who knows what can happen. And funnily enough you dodge the Chelsea only team able to dismantle Barca part :D
To be honest, PSG tied twice against an out of form Chelsea... They will stomp Barca no problem.
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Want to see Bayern vs. Barca this year so bad, don't even care what round. That would be an amazing game or games. That's my one wish for CL this year.
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On March 21 2015 03:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:I think some of you are placing far too much value on a small number of games in trying to determine tactical superiority or predicting the outcome of future games.. It's fair enough to say that it has been shown that Barcelona's weakness is teams that defend super solidly while depending on swift counter attacks and set pieces backed up with enough skill to execute 3-4-pass-attacks, because they have indeed lost some important CL games against slightly worse teams doing exactly this. But extrapolating this into thinking that this Chelsea would be a significant favorite against this Barcelona, that doesn't really work for me... Fact is, on the highest level, games are very frequently decided by coincidences, and this also applies to most of those historical losses for Barcelona. Pit two identical teams against each other first monday then thursday, you get two vastly different matches. Of course, we gotta discuss something, not trying to discourage that.. and be fanboys, absolutely.. But come on, look at Chelsea's performances the past 2 months and compare with Barcelona, there's no way you can conclude that Chelsea would be clear favorites regardless of how the tactical game plays out. I think at the start of the season, the pendulum of power was favoring Chelsea, because they were playing truly stellar football then and Barcelona wasn't at close to the level they are now, but based on recent results - and performance even more so - there's just no way.. I hope we get to see a Bayern-Barca game. I guess for me, preferably in the semi final because I don't necessarily want either team to win ( ), but at the very moment, they look like the two strongest teams and imo there's not really any question about it. Wouldn't be surprised if Real Madrid comes back into great shape soon and makes it a trio,
I completely agree. but this:
but I feel pretty confident one of those three ends up winning.
is quite the "bold" prediction, isnt it? in the past four years, those three teams could have taken 12 semifinal spots and claimed 10 out of those 12. thats quite some amazing consistency, considering that it takes place at the absolutely highest level football has to offer (which starts at the latest at the ro8 of the cl...)
and yes, I agree, barca vs bayern would be my dream finals or semifinals. lets see what happens when those two giants clash while being in good form. 
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PSG is still playing the French Cup and League Cup in addition to the CL and Ligue1, which means 8 games in April... it's going to be hard.
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PSG schedule:
5/4 go to Marseille (#3) league game
8/4 vs Saint-Etienne (#5) semi-final French cup
11/4 vs Metz (#20) league game
15/4 vs Barcelona
18/4 go to Nice (#15) league game
21/4 go to Barcelona
Barcelona schedule:
5/4 go to Celta Vigo (#11) league game
8/4 vs Almeria (#18) league game
11/4 go to Sevilla (#5) league game
15/4 go to PSG
18/4 vs Valencia (#3) league game
21/4 vs PSG
So they have the same amount of games, but PSG has the 2 most important 10 days and a week before the CL game. Barça has difficult game just before and in the middle of the CL games... If Barça beats RM tomorrow, they MIGHT rest some players against Sevilla or Valencia, supposing that they don't lose any points against the smaller teams. Whereas PSG WILL rest players for the league games before and in the middle of the CL games, that's important.
In any case, I think that Barça is one or two steps above PSG. Without Verratti in the first game, it's going to be very difficult for them to go to the Camp Nou with hopes of qualification... Especially considering the way Lavezzi and Cavani are playing right now x)
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On March 21 2015 11:35 WillyWanker wrote:
PSG schedule:
5/4 go to Marseille (#3) league game
8/4 vs Saint-Etienne (#5) semi-final French cup
11/4 vs Metz (#20) league game
15/4 vs Barcelona
18/4 go to Nice (#15) league game
21/4 go to Barcelona
11/04 vs Bastia (League cup final)
Metz was moved to 28/04 according to ligue1.fr.
But yeah until then, they have the same number of games. I just can't imagine PSG winning all of them with their current form.
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Sevilla PSG Valencia PSG
That is a really hard schedule.
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On March 21 2015 04:02 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 23:39 sAsImre wrote:On March 20 2015 23:36 Pandemona wrote:
That was same year of the PSG game which was playing Barca with 1 hand tied behind its back as they are a team based around 1 player. If that player isn't playing or is injured whilst playing it is not against Barcelona.
We will see what happens, but im going to "assume" PSG go to Nou camp and get dismantled again and if they win at home it wont be without conceding thus making the task even harder. I personnaly think PSG is gonna get bullied really hard, especially with Verrati suspended in the home leg, this kid is exactly the kind of player you want versus Barca. But Chelsea wouldn't do a lot better since your counter attack play is just "let's pray hazard pulls off a miracle" in 2015, which is kind of a shame since your first part of the season was exceptionnal both in terms of results and display on the pitch. Bayern is the only side on the level of Barcelona atm, the good thing is that quarters are in 1 month so who knows what can happen. And funnily enough you dodge the Chelsea only team able to dismantle Barca part :D To be honest, PSG tied twice against an out of form Chelsea... They will stomp Barca no problem.
What kind of logic is that Oo'
Do you really think Chelsea is so much better than Barça? After they got knocked out of CL by an Ibra-less PSG and Barça leads Liga against RM and handily beat ManCity? Maybe you just misspelled they will be stomped by Barça.
I think it will be close, like last year. Hopefully we can get a good lead in the first game when Ibra and Verrati won't play.
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On March 23 2015 01:09 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 04:02 zeo wrote:On March 20 2015 23:39 sAsImre wrote:On March 20 2015 23:36 Pandemona wrote:
That was same year of the PSG game which was playing Barca with 1 hand tied behind its back as they are a team based around 1 player. If that player isn't playing or is injured whilst playing it is not against Barcelona.
We will see what happens, but im going to "assume" PSG go to Nou camp and get dismantled again and if they win at home it wont be without conceding thus making the task even harder. I personnaly think PSG is gonna get bullied really hard, especially with Verrati suspended in the home leg, this kid is exactly the kind of player you want versus Barca. But Chelsea wouldn't do a lot better since your counter attack play is just "let's pray hazard pulls off a miracle" in 2015, which is kind of a shame since your first part of the season was exceptionnal both in terms of results and display on the pitch. Bayern is the only side on the level of Barcelona atm, the good thing is that quarters are in 1 month so who knows what can happen. And funnily enough you dodge the Chelsea only team able to dismantle Barca part :D To be honest, PSG tied twice against an out of form Chelsea... They will stomp Barca no problem. What kind of logic is that Oo' Do you really think Chelsea is so much better than Barça? After they got knocked out of CL by an Ibra-less PSG and Barça leads Liga against RM and handily beat ManCity? Maybe you just misspelled they will be stomped by Barça. I think it will be close, like last year. Hopefully we can get a good lead in the first game when Ibra and Verrati won't play.
There is no logic. Zeo just makes random statements that hold no ground whatsoever. I've been told he isn't trolling when he makes those but it's becoming harder and harder to believe.
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Chelsea just won UEFA Youth League.
Am i the only one who was following it?
Impressive run by the blues - 10 games, 36 goals scored, 6 conceded.
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On March 23 2015 01:09 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 04:02 zeo wrote:On March 20 2015 23:39 sAsImre wrote:On March 20 2015 23:36 Pandemona wrote:
That was same year of the PSG game which was playing Barca with 1 hand tied behind its back as they are a team based around 1 player. If that player isn't playing or is injured whilst playing it is not against Barcelona.
We will see what happens, but im going to "assume" PSG go to Nou camp and get dismantled again and if they win at home it wont be without conceding thus making the task even harder. I personnaly think PSG is gonna get bullied really hard, especially with Verrati suspended in the home leg, this kid is exactly the kind of player you want versus Barca. But Chelsea wouldn't do a lot better since your counter attack play is just "let's pray hazard pulls off a miracle" in 2015, which is kind of a shame since your first part of the season was exceptionnal both in terms of results and display on the pitch. Bayern is the only side on the level of Barcelona atm, the good thing is that quarters are in 1 month so who knows what can happen. And funnily enough you dodge the Chelsea only team able to dismantle Barca part :D To be honest, PSG tied twice against an out of form Chelsea... They will stomp Barca no problem. What kind of logic is that Oo' Do you really think Chelsea is so much better than Barça? After they got knocked out of CL by an Ibra-less PSG and Barça leads Liga against RM and handily beat ManCity? Maybe you just misspelled they will be stomped by Barça. I think it will be close, like last year. Hopefully we can get a good lead in the first game when Ibra and Verrati won't play.
It's coming from the guy who said Chelsea is the best team in the world while they lost vs PSG.
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I was following it enough to see the results. The blues have had an amazing youth class from when the Russian came. And these kids aren't even the 2 dozen or so that they keep on loan to help finance a trade for the first team if they want to.
Alex kiwomya has the physical ability to be a world class winger opposite hazard. His father was a good player in the past but not the best. If he can learn a good mental and technical game then Chelsea is going to be fearsome.
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On April 14 2015 01:54 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 01:09 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 21 2015 04:02 zeo wrote:On March 20 2015 23:39 sAsImre wrote:On March 20 2015 23:36 Pandemona wrote:
That was same year of the PSG game which was playing Barca with 1 hand tied behind its back as they are a team based around 1 player. If that player isn't playing or is injured whilst playing it is not against Barcelona.
We will see what happens, but im going to "assume" PSG go to Nou camp and get dismantled again and if they win at home it wont be without conceding thus making the task even harder. I personnaly think PSG is gonna get bullied really hard, especially with Verrati suspended in the home leg, this kid is exactly the kind of player you want versus Barca. But Chelsea wouldn't do a lot better since your counter attack play is just "let's pray hazard pulls off a miracle" in 2015, which is kind of a shame since your first part of the season was exceptionnal both in terms of results and display on the pitch. Bayern is the only side on the level of Barcelona atm, the good thing is that quarters are in 1 month so who knows what can happen. And funnily enough you dodge the Chelsea only team able to dismantle Barca part :D To be honest, PSG tied twice against an out of form Chelsea... They will stomp Barca no problem. What kind of logic is that Oo' Do you really think Chelsea is so much better than Barça? After they got knocked out of CL by an Ibra-less PSG and Barça leads Liga against RM and handily beat ManCity? Maybe you just misspelled they will be stomped by Barça. I think it will be close, like last year. Hopefully we can get a good lead in the first game when Ibra and Verrati won't play. It's coming from the guy who said Chelsea is the best team in the world while they lost vs PSG.
I wonder what you will say when PSG beats Barca
edit: Granted, those two draws came at the start of a very horrible Chelsea slump so we don't really know if they could draw against the Chelsea from the first half of the season. So in the end PSG might not rofl stomp Barca but they have the quality to beat them in two games.
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Returns tomorrow....stay posted boys and girls...
CHELSEA WINNING EUROEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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On April 14 2015 06:38 Skynx wrote:
Porto upset inc
Nah...not even we believe in that
I would love to see Porto advance but for me, not get roflstomped would be great T_T.....every work mate I have has been laughing since the draw "remember sporting a few years ago? I just hope you also take 12 in the 2 hands"....stuff like that...both Sporting and Benfica fans are buying popcorn and waiting for a truckload of goals from Bayern and a complete humiliation of Porto.
Hope the boys stay mentally strong and make Bayern run for the qualification!
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Champions League RO8 - Day 1!Kick Off - ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q1hoQG7.png) vs ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TzoOseo.png) Team NewsAtletico MadridDoubtful - Raúl García (arm) Possible Lineup - Oblak; Juanfran, Miranda, Godín, Gámez; Arda Turan, Tiago, Suárez, Koke; Griezmann, Mandžukić. Real MadridDoubtful - Khedira (back), Coentrão (knee) Possible Lineup - Casillas; Carvajal, Pepe, Ramos, Marcelo; Kroos, Modrić, James; Bale, Benzema, Ronaldo.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9XsILtH.png) vs ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xdegOgO.png) Team NewsJuventusInjured - Pogba Doubtful - Pirlo (calf), Barzagli (muscle fatigue) Possible Lineup - Buffon; Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini; Lichtsteiner, Pereyra, Marchisio, Vidal, Evra; Morata, Tévez. MonacoDoubtful - Traoré (tibia), Toulalan (leg), Carvalho (leg) Possible Lineup - Subašić; Fabinho, Carvalho, Abdennour, Kurzawa; Toulalan, Kondogbia; Dirar, Moutinho, Martial; Berbatov.
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