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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
You guys have to realise that you can't just make a criminal tackle and get away with it, with a get-out-of-jail yellow/red card. If you tackle someone as a last player you are out and it's a penalty, why is there even a discussion? Sounds like the "everyone is a winner" mentality in kids' sports these days, lol. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
Also on the "it should be only yellow because he is the goalkeeper" -thing you have to keep in mind that the first priority of yellow and red cards is to protect the players. And your broken leg doesn´t really care about the position of the player broke it. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On February 20 2014 20:07 Micro_Jackson wrote: My biggest problem with a "free goal rule" would be the same as red cards for diving: You are adding more to an already tough decision for a referee. Also on the "it should be only yellow because he is the goalkeeper" -thing you have to keep in mind that the first priority of yellow and red cards is to protect the players. And your broken leg doesn´t really care about the position of the player broke it. yeah, video evidence would be a requirement to make any alternatives work. Refs can't see it all already and this would only add more problems. @Steveling, honestly I'm just bitter my most anticipated matches of this champions league round ended up being desperately disappointing. I hope we get some great matches in the next round. I agree that a red card + penalty is the bare minimum, I just don't like it usually results in a very negative way of footballing from the team with a man down. Yeah, Pelegrini was at fault with Man City. No idea why he played so negatively and with so much fear, doesn't suit him. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
But you should blame pellegrini for the first game for not having the balls(same as mou with rm) to play aggressively in his own home. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On February 20 2014 19:32 sitromit wrote: Because I'm not convinced that it's crippling. Let's go back to yesterday's game, how I see it as a neutral fan who's not a supporter of either team... Arsenal started off well and created chances in the first 15 minutes, and got rewarded for their efforts with a penalty, which they wasted. After that, Bayern gradually took control of the game, and by the time the penalty position happened towards the end of the 1st half, I was expecting them to score any time. Bayern was the side playing better for that portion of the game, and they deserved to score and they were denied by an illegal move. If a player tries to tackle a runner and completely misses the ball and takes out his legs from under him, that's usually considered a dangerous tackle and punished accordingly. Szczesny is getting a break for being a GK, but what he did is no different, he lunged with no self control but was too slow and completely missed the ball, and cracked Robben on the shin. That's a dangerous tackle in my book, regardless of where it happened on the pitch. Then Arsenal saved the penalty, so what should have been a sure goal continued to be a draw. In the 2nd half, arguably Arsenal had no chance because they were a man down, but have we all not seen teams preserve a draw with 10 men before or even win? In the end, I didn't leave the game feeling someone had been robbed, or that one side got an unfair advantage. I felt that Bayern deserved to win, and Arsenal didn't, after their brilliant start fizzled off in 15-20 minutes. So if the rules did in the end result in the more deserving side winning, how can they be bad? Because we will never know how the game would have progressed if we didn't see a red card. Arsenal had the upper hand for twenty minutes and Bayern had it for twenty minutes. Nobody knows what an 11 vs 11 second half would've looked like. I would like to see red cards for goal keepers only given if the keeper commits a foul for the foul's sake. Szchesny clearly went for the ball, penalty and yellow should be punishment enough in that case imo. Even Neuer said he did not agree with the red card rule in the situation. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28869 Posts
Different tiers of time punishment just seems so much better to me. Then again the drama is part of what makes football so popular..  | ||
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
It should be this way: Last man outside of the penalty box: Red card Last man inside: Yellow card and penalty (Red cards can still be given for really harsh fouls of course) | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
Also all the people saying Bayern don't need Ribery should watch the first 20 minutes of yesterday's game. Alaba is used to being protected by Ribery's relentless backtracking, without him he was exposed and looked very uncomfortable. Bayern's left side, which is normally the stronger of the two, never got going and most successful attacks were started on the right side, and Arsenal's attacks were dangerous from Bayern's left side, too. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On February 20 2014 21:31 smr wrote: Was it more fluid because of Lahm or because there wasn't anybody to attack the midfield with 8 Arsenal players staying inside the box? both | ||
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sharkie
Austria18707 Posts
On February 20 2014 20:06 Steveling wrote: I'm more than happy with the red+penalty thing, completely agree with sitromit. You guys have to realise that you can't just make a criminal tackle and get away with it, with a get-out-of-jail yellow/red card. If you tackle someone as a last player you are out and it's a penalty, why is there even a discussion? Sounds like the "everyone is a winner" mentality in kids' sports these days, lol. arsenal keeper didnt commit a criminal tackle, thats the problem | ||
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scoww
595 Posts
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On February 20 2014 21:54 scoww wrote: I hate the way bayern plays now, this tiki taka shit may be successful but its SO FUCKING BORING to watch. The thing is, it was by far the smartest thing to do yesterday. You don't take any risk when you are one man up, you slowly look for an opportunity to score without giving your opponent an opening for a counter. You can defend well and counter with 10 man, it's not like it's game over by any means. You just won't press high or take control of the game for an extended period of time because it consumes too much energy. I still hate what Pep tried to do yesterday, he basically wasted one half of the game for a weird experiment that never looked promising to me. Luckily Ribery will be back for the next game, so we won't see that again :p | ||
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
On February 20 2014 21:41 sharkie wrote: arsenal keeper didnt commit a criminal tackle, thats the problem He robbed a player of a clear cut scoring chance though. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
But referees have to do what rules says and in both scenarios (demichelis and arsenal goalkeeper) are red card and penalty correct. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Gonna have my eyes on Ajax - Red Bull Salzburg obviously. They are leaders in the league with 17 points on second place or something ridiculous like that. Also won all 6 group matches. I think we are very slight favorites, but it will be quite hard. Frank de Boer's ambition is to at least reach the semi-final so let's see what happens  | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On February 20 2014 23:05 Twisted wrote: Anyway, Europa League tonight! Gonna have my eyes on Ajax - Red Bull Salzburg obviously. They are leaders in the league with 17 points on second place or something ridiculous like that. Also won all 6 group matches. I think we are very slight favorites, but it will be quite hard. Frank de Boer's ambition is to at least reach the semi-final so let's see what happens They best win....got an acci tonight on EuropaEZMONEYLeague  Ajax v Salzburg - Ajax Win Juventus v Trabzonspor - Juventus Win Swansea v Napoli - Napoli Win Dnipro v Tottenham - Tottenham Win Dinamo Kiev v Valencia - Valencia Win £5 bet returns £157.50 | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On February 20 2014 23:05 Twisted wrote: Anyway, Europa League tonight! Gonna have my eyes on Ajax - Red Bull Salzburg obviously. They are leaders in the league with 17 points on second place or something ridiculous like that. Also won all 6 group matches. I think we are very slight favorites, but it will be quite hard. Frank de Boer's ambition is to at least reach the semi-final so let's see what happens Don´t underestimate Salzburg, they beat the shit out of Bayern Munich with a 3-0 win. Yea it was a test game and Ajax is clearly a favorite but i think with a little bit of luck this could be an interesting one. *caught* *caught* told you | ||
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sharkie
Austria18707 Posts
On February 20 2014 22:29 kyllinghest wrote: He robbed a player of a clear cut scoring chance though. yes and the punishment should be a penalty, not a penalty AND a red card - the rule is just insane the keeper didn't even commit the foul intentionally | ||
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
On February 20 2014 23:10 Pandemona wrote: They best win....got an acci tonight on EuropaEZMONEYLeague Ajax v Salzburg - Ajax Win Juventus v Trabzonspor - Juventus Win Swansea v Napoli - Napoli Win Dnipro v Tottenham - Tottenham Win Dinamo Kiev v Valencia - Valencia Win £5 bet returns £157.50 getting wins against ukrainians can be tough... i am too gonna make an accumulator with WH's free 5 USD bet | ||
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