EPT2013 - 2014 Football Thread - Page 803
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
On April 29 2014 20:01 wingpawn wrote: Anyway, any EPL follower can explain to me that mysterious Crystal Palace run? Two months ago they were dead in the water and then they win six games in a row? I haven't seen stuff like that for a long time (not at all in any major league, I think). Tony Pulis man. Tony Pulis. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On April 30 2014 00:20 Micro_Jackson wrote: Why? Yea he kinda "sacrificed" him but he thought playing through Messi gives him a higher chance to win then through Ibra. Thats not really something special in pro football. And the results show that he wasn´t completely wrong The only "mistake" you can argue is buying him and i dont know how much Pep was involved ito that. No, Messi thought playing on Ibra's position because Ibra was the one who gets all the praise/highlights. Everything was going well on Barca's side then Messi became a bitch and took Ibra's position. and Of course Pep followed what he said. On April 30 2014 01:22 RvB wrote: Messi is simply better than Ibrahimovic. If your best and most talented player asks you to play on a different position that's exactly what you should do. If he hadn't, Messi would've started playing like ge does now with absolutely no effort. Simply better? ahahahahaahahaha you made me laugh hard. We are talking about 27/28 years old Ibra and 21/22 years old Messi. Ibra was the better version of Messi, he had physics/heights. He can control high balls and score shitton of headers. I think i dont need to talk about his unique technique because all of you know it. Ibrahimovic is the definition of "complete forward". And dont forget that he was playing front of Xavi/Iniesta/Yaya Toure. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
there is no other version of messi there is c.ronaldo who is very similiar to ibra just better in almost any regard | ||
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sharkie
Austria18707 Posts
On April 30 2014 02:16 MaGic~PhiL wrote: dont even start to compare messi with ibra there is no other version of messi there is c.ronaldo who is very similiar to ibra just better in almost any regard I agree that Messi is best of them all but Ibra is not similar to C.Ronaldo or vice versa o.O They are quite different players | ||
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Craze
United States561 Posts
They're different. They are all amazing to watch though, we live in a pretty great time to watch football. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On April 30 2014 02:16 MaGic~PhiL wrote: dont even start to compare messi with ibra there is no other version of messi there is c.ronaldo who is very similiar to ibra just better in almost any regard There is no other version of Ibra in the history. and I dont think we're going to see player like Ibra in the next 50 or even 100 years. He is the most unique out of Messi&CR7. How about Messi? oh yeah, Maradona. and IDK how Ibra and CR are similiar lol. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
2) Messi is defintely unique. Maradona is from a different time. The game evolved so much in terms of tactics and physical aspects as well which makes it 100% more impressiv what messi does. Ibra for me is not as unique as Messi let alone Zidane. Messis control of the ball and ability to keep it is incredible. Tell me why C.Ronaldo and Ibrahimovic are not comparable? | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
That said; all are amazing players as has been said, but Messi simply trumps everyone. It's easy to forget because he's been slumping/injured/not trying this season. And when you have the best player of all time in your squad, you build the team around that player. If Ibrahimovic can't handle that, it's a good thing he left. The comments made years after that in a biography just looks like incessant whining to me. When you hear one side of the story, especially by someone as blunt and outspoken as Ibrahimovic, it's really easy to side with Ibra, especially when you already harbor some unfounded hate for Guardiola. Poor decision by the Barça management back then to buy him though. €40m + Eto'o was ridicilous. And Mensol, I get that you don't like Tiki Taka and Guardiola (and Messi I guess) but no, 28 year old Ibra was not better than 21-22 year old Messi. In fact, the current Ibra is better than the 28 year old Ibra. His prime started only in the last 2 years or so. Messi has been the best player in the world since he turned 20-21, with the exception of the current season. We can pretty much accept that as fact by majority opinion. | ||
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
i'm reading it too, something around 40% progress atm. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
I might stand alone with this but i still dont see how they are not comparable (at all) | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On April 30 2014 02:17 sharkie wrote: I agree that Messi is best of them all but Ibra is not similar to C.Ronaldo or vice versa o.O They are quite different players no shit Messi is the best of them all but If Ibra stayed Barca and played the position he wanted, he'd be as good as Messi imo, perhaps better. 2003-04 Ajax 1st - Eredivisie 2004-05 Juventus 1st - Serie A 2005-06 Juventus 1st - Serie A 2006-07 Inter 1st - Serie A 2007-08 Inter 1st - Serie A 2008-09 Inter 1st - Serie A 2009-10 Barcelona 1st - La Liga 2010-11 Milan 1st - Serie A 2011-12 Milan 2nd - Serie A 2012-13 - PSG 1st - Ligue 1 2013-14 - PSG 1st - Ligue 1 I dont think those are coincidence. Ibrahimovic is a natural born winner. On April 30 2014 02:56 Twisted wrote: Apart from some physical traits and the fact that they are forwards, Ronaldo and Ibra aren't really comparable. They don't even play in the same position. Ronaldo scores lots of goals with pace and long distance shots and on the counter, whereas Ibra is more of a striker who can hold off defenders well while controlling the ball and moving the play forward and he's a good striker in the box. That said; all are amazing players as has been said, but Messi simply trumps everyone. It's easy to forget because he's been slumping/injured/not trying this season. And when you have the best player of all time in your squad, you build the team around that player. If Ibrahimovic can't handle that, it's a good thing he left. The comments made years after that in a biography just looks like incessant whining to me. When you hear one side of the story, especially by someone as blunt and outspoken as Ibrahimovic, it's really easy to side with Ibra, especially when you already harbor some unfounded hate for Guardiola. Poor decision by the Barça management back then to buy him though. €40m + Eto'o was ridicilous. And Mensol, I get that you don't like Tiki Taka and Guardiola (and Messi I guess) but no, 28 year old Ibra was not better than 21-22 year old Messi. In fact, the current Ibra is better than the 28 year old Ibra. His prime started only in the last 2 years or so. Messi has been the best player in the world since he turned 20-21, with the exception of the current season. We can pretty much accept that as fact by majority opinion. He was actually almost as good as today on 08-09 season with Inter. It's where Ibra's prime started. Then he went to Barca and you know what happened. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28866 Posts
and if you compare them in terms of how great they have been for the past 6 year period or whatever, basically since messi really had his breakthrough, then there's also no other way to rank them than messi 1 ronaldo 2 zlatan 3. If you compare them since zlatan was in barcelona, it's messi 1 ronaldo 2 zlatan 3. If anything what has been shown is that dropping zlatan in favor of messi was 100% the right thing to do, because messi was better, is better, functions better in the barcelona system and clearly they both need to be top dogs of their teams. picking up zlatan in the first place - that was a huge mistake, and one that should have been obvious. At no point during zlatan's career has he said or done anything to indicate that he is the type of player who will happily play the role of a chess-pawn, zlatan needs to be the queen to be happy and good. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On April 29 2014 23:42 Mensol wrote: im not surprised at all. Pep is the one who killed Ibra's Barca career. If he continued for three more years at Barca then im pretty sure that he would've won ballon d'or at least two times. But Pep sacrified Ibra because Messi was jealous of him. here: Ibrahimovic: Messi is awesome. Fucking unbelievable. I don't know him very well. We are very different personalities. He came to Barca 13 years old and is brought up in their culture. He doesn't have any problems with that school shit. In the team, the play revolves around him, which is natural really. He's brilliant, but now I had come, and I was scoring more than he did. Messi went to Guardiola and said: "I don't want to play on the right side, on the wing, anymore. I want to be in the middle." That was where I was. But Guardiola didn't give a shit. He changed tactics. From 4-3-3 he switched to 4-5-1 with me on top and Messi right behind, leaving me in the shadow. All balls went through Messi and I couldn't play my game. I have to be free as a bird on the field. I'm the guy who wants to make a difference on all levels. But Guardiola sacrificed me. That's the truth. He locked me in up there. OK, I can understand his situation. Messi was the star. Guardiola has to listen to him. But come on! I had scored goal after goal in Barca, I was lethal too. He couldn't adapt the team after one single guy. I mean: why the hell did he buy me then? i hate Pep even more now lol. You know you dont need a book for this, these quotes have been all over the net since it came out and every other news article lol Ibra was an alpha and the only attacking component in the teams he played in for 6 years. Mancini inter was literally defend defend defend, give ball to Ibra, Ibra go win game. Unlike a Gareth Bale, Ibra needs to win games by himself to be Ibra. So it didnt work out, I love Ibra to death, but he is an outspoken douchebag (but not the weasly Mourinho kind) hes an indiscriminate douchebag so its all good. Also if we are going to play that game born winners tend to win a CL medal or 2. His league triumphs while obviously impressive are also papered by the fact that for the majority of his time in italy it was "Inter" and then the rest of Italy. The Juve team he was on wasnt to much better for him. he was an exciting greenhorn. PSG would win the league with our without him, same goes for Barca. Is he the third best striker of our generation, sure. Does he do stuff no one else would even think of trying ? Absolutely, thats why hes the shit and I for one get tingly when he refers to himself in the third person. But lets not say that you would rather have him in your team than Messi or Ronaldo, that just doesnt work I am afraid. ESPN did a 30 for 30 on Garrincha, I would advise anyone to watch it and then appreciate how good the game is now and what kind of people it took to get it rolling this way. If there was any pioneer of the "flair player". Sadly theres not to many positives for him unrelated to football. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
But still a cool idea against racism. | ||
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drkcid
Spain196 Posts
On April 30 2014 20:43 Micro_Jackson wrote: It looks like Dani Alves and his banana eating was not a coincidence, it was planed PR agency. I believed it to be honest but if you think about it would you eat something a obvious racist throws? But still a cool idea against racism. Wait what? As far as I know the guy who throw the banana was banned for life from the stadium, and now he has been arrested by "fault against fundamental rights and freedom" (moreless) source [ES]. Did I miss something? | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6294 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
http://as.com/diarioas/2014/04/29/english/1398770114_882297.html | ||
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