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Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
October 12 2013 11:57 GMT
#2721
170kg x1 Deadlift. @ 82.5kg bodyweight (ive eaten pretty inconsistently lately, gotta fix that)
but bench stallin badly, trying to fix it tho lol
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 19:10:10
October 12 2013 18:57 GMT
#2722
yo i have a random dark deadlift form query

i heard someone in thread say you dont need to / shouldnt clench your upper back together in the deadlift.

now i thought that getting pretty low and keeping my lower and upper back real tight, and my torsu upright ish, whilst struggling like hell with poor hip (and ankle) mobility, and activating my legs a lot iirc was the correct form

my alternative form was what i considered to be the result of shitty mobility and not trying to get "right down into position" due to being lazy, which seemed to depend mostly on my abs pulling me up, letting me do several more reps, but making me feel like i was doing it very wrong.

however tonight i remembered what was said in thread and just hung my arms forward and down instead of clenching them back. i DIDNT struggle try to get really low and "into position" (like i usually would when trying to do "proper" form). this is probably because my arms are much longer when not pulled back so less mobility needed.

in this new form, it still felt like my abs were doing the majority of the work, (rather than anything else) but it did not feel in any way awkward, and noteably the bar dragged up my legs closely. the lift was pretty smooth, i could get more reps out than if i was doing my "get down low and pull everything back (pull upper back together)" form and my legs didnt tire like they do get exhausted in that form.

so although i feel good about it, i dont know if its fucking correct. am i working my back and posterior? because it doesnt really feel like it... but on the other hand it doesnt feel bad. apart from my abs being responsible for popping me up a little bit too much than i feel they are supposed to be (maybe they're not supposed to be at all).

here is the video. honestly i could do some more videos tomorrow coz i didnt put my weights away





also cool thing i realised today, after watching a video that told me that during rear delt raise (lying facedown on bench) i need to be careful to activate my rear delts rather than my upper back muscles. i am doing lateral raises at 6kg (12 reps) now so realised i have enough muscle in them to be able to focus on activating them individually whilst lifting (by tilting my grip and focusing on feeling for front/side/rear). a bit like the first time i realised i'd got some chest (pec) muscle :D
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
October 12 2013 19:22 GMT
#2723
Post another vid when it's light... and make the angle more to the side imo. Your lower back looks weird as hell. It's quite rounded, and it's doing almost all your pulling. There isn't much hamstring/glute going on there.

As far as the "rounded upper back when pulling" that's fine, it's just something high-level power lifters do because it means a shorter pull. Because of the way a deadlift is supposed to start, it shouldn't change anything to do with your hip mobility, but it might have some effect on your ankles.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
October 12 2013 20:29 GMT
#2724
So I got some random stuff today. A pair of 2.5 lb plates and a pair of 5 lb plates (just to make it so I can do nice even 5 lb jumps continuously now) and a resistance band. Looking forward to getting to use the resistance band for some mobility work.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45265 Posts
October 13 2013 00:31 GMT
#2725
The safety wedge/ clip that I use for my pull-up bar (that inserts into the top of the doorframe and locks the pull-up bar into place) has bent/ folded inwards. I'm currently just pulling it back into shape via some pliers, but it's still slightly warped and surely weaker.

Any idea where I could buy just the pull-up bar clip? For what it's worth, it's the Perfect Multi-Gym pull-up bar, but I assume any pull-up bar clip would do. I'd rather not buy a whole second pull-up bar just for the clip.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
October 13 2013 06:17 GMT
#2726
So, im staying up all night tonight in an effort to FORCE my sleep schedule back on track (been waking up at 1 or 2 and not being able to sleep till 5 in the morning or later).

I don't like doing it, but I gotta survive till 11-12 tommorow night when I should be getting home. What can I do to help ease the pain?


For energy: I've been doing paleoesque eating for hte past 3 or so weeks, and had been cutting down on my sugars a lot before that, so loading up on energy drinks sounds like a really poor proposition, as high sugar food/drink really tastes retched to me right now. I'm gonna try to drink black coffee with plenty of water throughout the day, anything else I can do to improve my energy?

For Food: When should I be eating? I got home around midnight tonight and had a nice burger with sauteed onions, about 3 cups of broccoli/cauliflower with some butter and a few squares of a nice 90% cacao chocolate. I had plenty of fats and carbs, so I should be good for awhile, but I don't know when I should be eating breakfast, and if there's something odd I should be doing since I'm not fasting the same way I would when I sleep?
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5457 Posts
October 13 2013 09:39 GMT
#2727
I don't think forcing yourself to stay awake all night is the best way to do it. Take some melatonin (don't need a prescription) and try to get to bed earlier. If not, even if you go to bed at 5 AM force yourself to get up earlier than 1 PM. You can do it gradually; 12:30 PM, next day 12:00 PM, etc. until you reach your goal.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19192 Posts
October 13 2013 11:08 GMT
#2728
Forced reset doesn't work. I've tried it many many times. You'll just be extremely tired the next night and sleep longer and accomplish nothing.
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Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
October 13 2013 12:56 GMT
#2729
My method for adjusting sleep has always been to wake up at the time you want to wake up, go about your day as normal and then go to sleep at the time you'd like to go to sleep at night. If your nights sleep before was really bad you could go to bed a little earlier but the important thing is to not nap because it won't end up being a nap.

There's no science behind this but I've always found it easy to shift my sleep schedule earlier if I find myself going to bed early morning and waking up in the afternoon, so I don't know if it's my method or if I'm just lucky.
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
October 13 2013 13:16 GMT
#2730
On October 13 2013 21:56 Eufouria wrote:
My method for adjusting sleep has always been to wake up at the time you want to wake up, go about your day as normal and then go to sleep at the time you'd like to go to sleep at night. If your nights sleep before was really bad you could go to bed a little earlier but the important thing is to not nap because it won't end up being a nap.

There's no science behind this but I've always found it easy to shift my sleep schedule earlier if I find myself going to bed early morning and waking up in the afternoon, so I don't know if it's my method or if I'm just lucky.


I can neither get up when I want or Go to bed when I want (or at least, stay awake/ fall asleep in any reasonable time frame ; takes 1-2 hours most nights) If it was that easy I wouldn't be staying up all night :0

"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 14:18:20
October 13 2013 14:18 GMT
#2731
What do you do when you wake up in the middle of the night?
I deadlift for Aiur
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
October 13 2013 14:23 GMT
#2732
On October 13 2013 23:18 BenKen wrote:
What do you do when you wake up in the middle of the night?


I dont wake up in the middle of the night. I use one of the accelerometer apps on my phone to track sleep cycles, and it marks where you move a lot (such as sitting up), and I never do once I fall asleep. THe only time I do wake up is with an alarm or phone call. With the alarm, I don't ever remember it ringing, I turn that shit off without really I guess even waking up and I don't wake up till around 1-2 PM :/
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 14:52:26
October 13 2013 14:51 GMT
#2733
hmm... yeah that's rough. I've had similar experience as Eufouria. I forced myself out of bed at a certain time no matter how tired I was every single day. That way I basically got in the habit of waking up at the same time no matter what. In the beginning I still got shitty sleep, but eventually the time i wanted to go to bed started getting earlier and earlier. No naps is key, and that was hard as hell for me.

It also helped that I scheduled morning workouts before I went to work, so I had a reason to get up.

EDIT: Melatonin helps me too
I deadlift for Aiur
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
October 13 2013 15:48 GMT
#2734
On October 13 2013 23:23 Arisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 23:18 BenKen wrote:
What do you do when you wake up in the middle of the night?


I dont wake up in the middle of the night. I use one of the accelerometer apps on my phone to track sleep cycles, and it marks where you move a lot (such as sitting up), and I never do once I fall asleep. THe only time I do wake up is with an alarm or phone call. With the alarm, I don't ever remember it ringing, I turn that shit off without really I guess even waking up and I don't wake up till around 1-2 PM :/


What if you put the alarm clock far enough away that you'd have to get up to turn it off. My friend used to turn the alarm clock off in his sleep and this worked for him. It still requires the self control to not go back to sleep though.
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
October 14 2013 09:02 GMT
#2735
colossal failure gents. 5 AM, and I still can't get to sleep despite being up for 2 days. Haven't had any caffine since ~5PM
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 09:23:02
October 14 2013 09:22 GMT
#2736
have you tried gradually shifting it back to normal? an hour each day perhaps, until it's back to where you want it.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 11:40:48
October 14 2013 11:39 GMT
#2737
On October 13 2013 23:23 Arisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 23:18 BenKen wrote:
What do you do when you wake up in the middle of the night?


I dont wake up in the middle of the night. I use one of the accelerometer apps on my phone to track sleep cycles, and it marks where you move a lot (such as sitting up), and I never do once I fall asleep. THe only time I do wake up is with an alarm or phone call. With the alarm, I don't ever remember it ringing, I turn that shit off without really I guess even waking up and I don't wake up till around 1-2 PM :/

You sound a lot like my flatmate actually., he also uses sleeping apps to track sleep. He has no problem staying up at night but once he's asleep it's very hard to get him up. I've never been able to tell if he actually has a problem or if his terrible sleeping habits are the real cause though.

Anyway he use melatonin and it helps him a lot if he actually wants to sleep but can't because he's only been awake for 12 hours or so. Also he listens to weird sounding binaural beats while he sleeps that he says helps so maybe you could try playing those too.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 17:30:58
October 14 2013 17:28 GMT
#2738
Reset doesn't work. I've been trying to get on a "normal" schedule for years and years. Firstly, one day staying out late fucks you up and you will want to sleep in again, restarting the cycle. Secondly, if you are used to being up late, you will always get a "second wind" so to speak even if you are dead tired. My mind is most awake between like 10pm and 4am, and even if I've been up like 20 hours already, I'll be able to keep going despite having wanted to take a nap around 8pm.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 19:50:36
October 14 2013 19:49 GMT
#2739


tip i got was try putting a plate ontop of your knee to increase weight. didnt think of that before. can take a weight up to my bedroom np
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 14 2013 22:16 GMT
#2740
does foamrolling the it band ever stop hurting? Been doing it for 3 weeks nmow and holy shit that's the biggest pain I've ever felt in my< life even more than when i broken my hand.
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