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On August 02 2012 05:24 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 05:14 mordek wrote:
I really really need to get on the horse and go for some runs. My endurance is decent but I don't want to be dying come September's Tough Mudder. Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see the fun in paying to do one of those. Probably just because I did enough of that sort of shit in the Army. I mean, I remember when I was young, before I joined up, wanting to prove myself with all of that stuff, but now it's kind of out of my system. GL with it. And if you want some good advice for that sort of event, I suggest trail runs and body weight workouts with a weighted pack. It might cut into your lifting, but it helps a lot to do body weight and cardio type workouts at higher than your body weight if you want to build general endurance. Alternate between them, too. So run a mile with your pack, drop and do a couple sets of close hand or diamond pushups, run a mile, do a set of chinups or pullups. A great trick for mixing core in there, you can take your pack off for the chinups, hook your legs through the straps, and elevate your legs in front of you while doing the chinups. Holy shit that burns.
It's not just you, but you do come as as a tad bit condescending lol. I initially got into strength training b/c one of my friends wanted to do one and asked other people to join him on facebook. I figured ah what the hell I'll do it, too, and now I'm stronger than I've ever been. There are a vast number of reasons people do events like this. Some people find them fun, some people use the event as motivation and a sort of benchmark, some people join to help their friends through the event (I've told my sister I'll carry her across the finish line if that's what it takes)... point being that narrowing this event into some sort of macho proving ground is a bit like narrowing the gym into a bunch of men lifting for looks.
On the subject of Tough Mudder, I didn't reach my goals I wanted to by July 31st b/c of my back injury... regardless, I have to start my conditioning training which is going to cut into my strength gains, but I'm still confident I can get up to a 280 squat and 205 bench by the time the event rolls around.
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On August 02 2012 04:44 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 04:30 Flicky wrote:On August 01 2012 19:26 mcmartini wrote:Today I achieved what I thought I couldn't do DL 1x5 100kg.....such a good feeling and it wasn't as hard as I expected, good form (IMO) on the way no rounding of the back etc  Also Squats are almost at 100kg as well will be doing 90kg on Monday so give it two weeks and I'll be squatting 100kg no problem :D Only thing stalling hard are my Bench and Press.  Press is having a hard time breaking 45kg with good form and i'm meant to do 80kg on bench on Friday and 77.5kg was sooooo hard. Not sure how it's going to go. Loving SS, my mate at 67kg BW is now squatting 77.5kg, benching 65kg and DL 100kg as well. Such good progress for us both :D Can anyone share the differences in weights and progression between Stronglifts & Starting Strength? I'm reading these posts and I'm due to do 100kg deadlift on saturday and my Squat is 80kg for today but the benches don't match at all. My Press is the same as yours (just did 5x5 45kg on monday) but my bench is way lower (50kg for today, no deloads). Is there more of a focus on benching in SS? How come there is such a large disparity? Does it start higher, do you do it more often? I'm just curious now. Also, cool to see someone on almost identical weights as I am. I'll keep an eye out for your posts. + Show Spoiler +
To be honest, mcmartini's bench and press are way higher than his squat and deadlift, so don't worry if yours don't compete. I've read that a good relationship between your lifts is:
Deadlift: 100% (goal = 2xBW)
Squat: 75% (goal = 1.5xBW)
Bench: 50% (goal = 1xBW)
Press: 37.5% (goal = 0.75BW)
So personally, I'm:
Deadlift: 170kg (100%)
Squat: 140kg (82.5%)
Bench: 80kg (47%)
Press: 60kg (35.5%)
So my squat is high, while my bench and press are a bit low. Obviously it differs a bit from person to person, but I always keep those numbers in mind when looking at someone's numbers.
Just to add, there's no real difference in the progression between SS and SL. SS is just 3x5 while SL is 5x5. With both you bench every second session and with both you add 5lb a session to your lifts when you finish them. Chances are your chest is just a bit weaker than your shoulders, which is why your bench is so low relative to your press.
To quickly compare your numbers:
Deadlift: 100kg (100%) or using squat as base (125% / 133.3%)
Squat: 80kg (80%) or using squat as base (100% / 100%)
Bench: 50kg (50%) or using squat as base (62.5% / 66.6%)
Press: 45kg (45%) or using squat as base (56.5% / 50%)
Using deadlift as a base, it seems like your squat and press are high while your bench is low. However, you don't necessarily have to work from deadlift as a base for the calculation. The numbers in the second bracket is if we use squats as a base (compared with what it should be). Then it shows that your deadlift is low and your bench is low while your press is high. Either way, your press is damn high while your bench is pretty low. Over time you'd expect the numbers to normalise a bit.
Hey, thanks for the post man, that's full of useful stuff. I'm still settling my lifts so I'll be interested to see how these even out over time. It's nice to have something to bear in mind while I go.
I'll post back when I'm at week 12.
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On August 02 2012 05:24 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 05:14 mordek wrote:
I really really need to get on the horse and go for some runs. My endurance is decent but I don't want to be dying come September's Tough Mudder. Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see the fun in paying to do one of those. Probably just because I did enough of that sort of shit in the Army. I mean, I remember when I was young, before I joined up, wanting to prove myself with all of that stuff, but now it's kind of out of my system. GL with it. And if you want some good advice for that sort of event, I suggest trail runs and body weight workouts with a weighted pack. It might cut into your lifting, but it helps a lot to do body weight and cardio type workouts at higher than your body weight if you want to build general endurance. Alternate between them, too. So run a mile with your pack, drop and do a couple sets of close hand or diamond pushups, run a mile, do a set of chinups or pullups. A great trick for mixing core in there, you can take your pack off for the chinups, hook your legs through the straps, and elevate your legs in front of you while doing the chinups. Holy shit that burns.
To each his own. Like Risen said, there are tons of reasons to do it. I'm doing it for a couple; I am proving to myself that I can do it. I don't really care to compare myself to other people (at least at this point), I just want to prove to myself I can do it. My conditioning is also shit, and this is the best way I know to get it up, otherwise I would half-ass my way since I hate cardio so much. This is either all or nothing. Finally, I'm doing it with a few buddies, so yeehaw on that one.
Thanks for the advice.
I really need to start doing trail running, but I am too busy actually building up my endurance first. I planned on walking it all first before running it... on Thursday, I will be walking 9 miles, and starting to run it the following week. I'm only on a treadmill for now. Just today I decided to do some carry walks with a 35 lb dumbbell. I am already alternating things, mostly because I can't stand being on the treadmill for so long. For instance, today I walked for awhile, did a barbell complex, rinse and repeat. It's been working the two times I've done it so far :D
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My shoulder still aching, but less than before. Seems that training around it is helping a lot. My squat was gay though, started too heavy for my singles and burned out, I'm just not used to squating without resting 5 mins between sets oo.
So anyways, today I had a possibly serious incident in the gym. Given my shoulder pain, I'm doing close grip BP instead of regular BPs. With that in mind:
Squat: 170kgx1x3, 150x1x5, 60x30
CG BP: 100kgx3x10
Having done close grip bp only once before, I was during my 5th set pretty solidly, focusing on keeping my shoulders packed (not shrugging), it seems I pushed barbell too close to my belly, and IT FUCKING SLIPPED. 100kg right into my stomach, barely below the sternum; my spotter noticed but he wasn't with his hands below the bar, so no way he could react in time. Luckily my rock solid abs (they are, under a layer of fat) absorbed most of the weight, so I proceeded to gasp for a bit and regain my air. Later, as any sensible person would do, I did the other 5 sets which were easier than previous ones lol.
Also chinaman so strong at oly lifting. Cant wait to root for klokov.
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On August 02 2012 08:42 GoTuNk! wrote:
My shoulder still aching, but less than before. Seems that training around it is helping a lot. My squat was gay though, started too heavy for my singles and burned out, I'm just not used to squating without resting 5 mins between sets oo.
So anyways, today I had a possibly serious incident in the gym. Given my shoulder pain, I'm doing close grip BP instead of regular BPs. With that in mind:
Squat: 170kgx1x3, 150x1x5, 60x30
CG BP: 100kgx3x10
Having done close grip bp only once before, I was during my 5th set pretty solidly, focusing on keeping my shoulders packed (not shrugging), it seems I pushed barbell too close to my belly, and IT FUCKING SLIPPED. 100kg right into my stomach, barely below the sternum; my spotter noticed but he wasn't with his hands below the bar, so no way he could react in time. Luckily my rock solid abs (they are, under a layer of fat) absorbed most of the weight, so I proceeded to gasp for a bit and regain my air. Later, as any sensible person would do, I did the other 5 sets which were easier than previous ones lol.
Also chinaman so strong at oly lifting. Cant wait to root for klokov.
IKR?
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Silver medal with only two snatches and one C&J, doing the C&J with an injured elbow, wtf!
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On August 02 2012 10:48 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 08:42 GoTuNk! wrote:
My shoulder still aching, but less than before. Seems that training around it is helping a lot. My squat was gay though, started too heavy for my singles and burned out, I'm just not used to squating without resting 5 mins between sets oo.
So anyways, today I had a possibly serious incident in the gym. Given my shoulder pain, I'm doing close grip BP instead of regular BPs. With that in mind:
Squat: 170kgx1x3, 150x1x5, 60x30
CG BP: 100kgx3x10
Having done close grip bp only once before, I was during my 5th set pretty solidly, focusing on keeping my shoulders packed (not shrugging), it seems I pushed barbell too close to my belly, and IT FUCKING SLIPPED. 100kg right into my stomach, barely below the sternum; my spotter noticed but he wasn't with his hands below the bar, so no way he could react in time. Luckily my rock solid abs (they are, under a layer of fat) absorbed most of the weight, so I proceeded to gasp for a bit and regain my air. Later, as any sensible person would do, I did the other 5 sets which were easier than previous ones lol.
Also chinaman so strong at oly lifting. Cant wait to root for klokov. IKR? + Show Spoiler +
Silver medal with only two snatches and one C&J, doing the C&J with an injured elbow, wtf!
That, they were like battling for the WR haha.
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On August 02 2012 07:19 Catch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 05:24 JingleHell wrote:On August 02 2012 05:14 mordek wrote:
I really really need to get on the horse and go for some runs. My endurance is decent but I don't want to be dying come September's Tough Mudder. Maybe it's just me, but I really don't see the fun in paying to do one of those. Probably just because I did enough of that sort of shit in the Army. I mean, I remember when I was young, before I joined up, wanting to prove myself with all of that stuff, but now it's kind of out of my system. GL with it. And if you want some good advice for that sort of event, I suggest trail runs and body weight workouts with a weighted pack. It might cut into your lifting, but it helps a lot to do body weight and cardio type workouts at higher than your body weight if you want to build general endurance. Alternate between them, too. So run a mile with your pack, drop and do a couple sets of close hand or diamond pushups, run a mile, do a set of chinups or pullups. A great trick for mixing core in there, you can take your pack off for the chinups, hook your legs through the straps, and elevate your legs in front of you while doing the chinups. Holy shit that burns. I really need to start doing trail running, but I am too busy actually building up my endurance first. I planned on walking it all first before running it... on Thursday, I will be walking 9 miles, and starting to run it the following week. I'm only on a treadmill for now. Just today I decided to do some carry walks with a 35 lb dumbbell. I am already alternating things, mostly because I can't stand being on the treadmill for so long. For instance, today I walked for awhile, did a barbell complex, rinse and repeat. It's been working the two times I've done it so far :D
Seriously, find some trails or uneven terrain to run on. Treadmill does not cut it! Plus it's way more enjoyable
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Body weight is now somewhere between 66.5-67kg
Today:
Squat 1x3 77.5, 97.5, 117.5, 137.5, 3x1 155kg - filmed the first set, I think I might be just a tiny bit high on that one, but I did get progressively lower on the next 2 sets so I might be ok for those. You can judge for yourselves: + Show Spoiler +
BP 1x5 47.5, 57.5, 67.5, 77.5, 2x2 95kg - Pretty pleased with that.
Chin ups 3x3 bw+40kg
Dips 1x3 bw+35, 1x5 bw+30kg
2x6 L-pull ups
Shrugs 1x5 60, 90, 1x3 117.5, 2x3 137.5kg, 2x3 122.5kg
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Man. Bad, bad buttwink on the squats today. Kind of went away as the weight got heavier, and then came back on the last set. Bummer.
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put on 20 lbs(160->180 6') (clean AND paleo diet) quit pro gaming, been /nofap/ stopped being an alcoholic and fixed my relationship with my gf, stopped smoking weed
and today i can finally say i've kicked my depression in the fucking teeth, something i've never been able to do for a decade
Worst fucking 2 months of my life. but now i reap the benefits
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On August 03 2012 06:16 HeavOnEarth wrote:
put on 20 lbs(160->180 6') (clean AND paleo diet) quit pro gaming, been /nofap/ stopped being an alcoholic and fixed my relationship with my gf, stopped smoking weed
and today i can finally say i've kicked my depression in the fucking teeth, something i've never been able to do for a decade
Worst fucking 2 months of my life. but now i reap the benefits
Nice work man! That's just awesome :D
Just read your blog. Wow. I'm literally moved. Really weird and awkward to say on the internet but I'm doing it anyway. I'm proud of you.
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On August 03 2012 06:16 HeavOnEarth wrote:
put on 20 lbs(160->180 6') (clean AND paleo diet) quit pro gaming, been /nofap/ stopped being an alcoholic and fixed my relationship with my gf, stopped smoking weed
and today i can finally say i've kicked my depression in the fucking teeth, something i've never been able to do for a decade
Worst fucking 2 months of my life. but now i reap the benefits
Good for you man, you've been in TL for a while and I remember reading some of your trials and tribulations before.
Today I was inspired by the Olympics so I did a bunch of cleans and some jerks. I tried 80kg C+J but couldn't lock out my elbows, was too scared hah! But still, all in all very fun and tiring cardio work, so I will be probably starting every workout with a few 60kg sets to get my cardio going. Might have to go with BrTarolg and learn some proper lifting from him and his buddies.
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Also moved by the olympics here, can't wait to crush lightest woman (lol). I don't have bumper plates so cant really max :'(
Cleans: 70kgx1x15
Pull Ups 2-4-6-2-4-6-2-4-6-2-4-2-4 (1 min rest between sets)
Fucking shoulder still gettin better, but its still holding me back. Gonna buy fish oil today, cause I ran out of it and I miss it oo. Also my company's new shipping, with 9 tons of weights (mostly kettlebells) will arive on tuesday so we can start making money again :D.
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On August 02 2012 06:40 Flicky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 04:44 Daigomi wrote:On August 02 2012 04:30 Flicky wrote:On August 01 2012 19:26 mcmartini wrote:Today I achieved what I thought I couldn't do DL 1x5 100kg.....such a good feeling and it wasn't as hard as I expected, good form (IMO) on the way no rounding of the back etc Also Squats are almost at 100kg as well will be doing 90kg on Monday so give it two weeks and I'll be squatting 100kg no problem :D Only thing stalling hard are my Bench and Press. Press is having a hard time breaking 45kg with good form and i'm meant to do 80kg on bench on Friday and 77.5kg was sooooo hard. Not sure how it's going to go. Loving SS, my mate at 67kg BW is now squatting 77.5kg, benching 65kg and DL 100kg as well. Such good progress for us both :D Can anyone share the differences in weights and progression between Stronglifts & Starting Strength? I'm reading these posts and I'm due to do 100kg deadlift on saturday and my Squat is 80kg for today but the benches don't match at all. My Press is the same as yours (just did 5x5 45kg on monday) but my bench is way lower (50kg for today, no deloads). Is there more of a focus on benching in SS? How come there is such a large disparity? Does it start higher, do you do it more often? I'm just curious now. Also, cool to see someone on almost identical weights as I am. I'll keep an eye out for your posts. + Show Spoiler +
To be honest, mcmartini's bench and press are way higher than his squat and deadlift, so don't worry if yours don't compete. I've read that a good relationship between your lifts is:
Deadlift: 100% (goal = 2xBW)
Squat: 75% (goal = 1.5xBW)
Bench: 50% (goal = 1xBW)
Press: 37.5% (goal = 0.75BW)
So personally, I'm:
Deadlift: 170kg (100%)
Squat: 140kg (82.5%)
Bench: 80kg (47%)
Press: 60kg (35.5%)
So my squat is high, while my bench and press are a bit low. Obviously it differs a bit from person to person, but I always keep those numbers in mind when looking at someone's numbers.
Just to add, there's no real difference in the progression between SS and SL. SS is just 3x5 while SL is 5x5. With both you bench every second session and with both you add 5lb a session to your lifts when you finish them. Chances are your chest is just a bit weaker than your shoulders, which is why your bench is so low relative to your press.
To quickly compare your numbers:
Deadlift: 100kg (100%) or using squat as base (125% / 133.3%)
Squat: 80kg (80%) or using squat as base (100% / 100%)
Bench: 50kg (50%) or using squat as base (62.5% / 66.6%)
Press: 45kg (45%) or using squat as base (56.5% / 50%)
Using deadlift as a base, it seems like your squat and press are high while your bench is low. However, you don't necessarily have to work from deadlift as a base for the calculation. The numbers in the second bracket is if we use squats as a base (compared with what it should be). Then it shows that your deadlift is low and your bench is low while your press is high. Either way, your press is damn high while your bench is pretty low. Over time you'd expect the numbers to normalise a bit.
Hey, thanks for the post man, that's full of useful stuff. I'm still settling my lifts so I'll be interested to see how these even out over time. It's nice to have something to bear in mind while I go. I'll post back when I'm at week 12.
Hey the reason bench and press are so high are because when I started hitting the gym with some mates in February they refused to do SS and so I was doing a body building routine with them that really pushed chest and shoulders. I think you can find a post from back then where I talk about usin hack squat machine for DL and smith machine for squats (decaf set me right - Thanks btw). I finally got a mate of mine to start SS with me about a month and a half ago and when finding my starting weight bench and press just started a fair bit higher than DL and Squats. I am sort of waiting for everything to catch up a little.
I do have quite a large tram and honestly for my BW my numbers aren't that impressive. I hold my size well as I have a large frame but I have a fair way to go
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On August 03 2012 08:59 GoTuNk! wrote:
Also moved by the olympics here, can't wait to crush lightest woman (lol). I don't have bumper plates so cant really max :'(
Cleans: 70kgx1x15
Pull Ups 2-4-6-2-4-6-2-4-6-2-4-2-4 (1 min rest between sets)
Fucking shoulder still gettin better, but its still holding me back. Gonna buy fish oil today, cause I ran out of it and I miss it oo. Also my company's new shipping, with 9 tons of weights (mostly kettlebells) will arive on tuesday so we can start making money again :D.
You do clean like 1 set of 15reps, like one after another? holy shit.
I took a day off, don't know why or reasoning behind it, but I'm going to fucking destroy the weights tomorrow.
Fuck yes.
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i think he did 15 singles lol
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Here is 1/4 of the course that my running team is going to do on the 18th to prepare for Tough Mudder. We do this with 15% bodyweight in bricks in our backpacks for good measure:
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Anybody else rockin' tough mudder this year?
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So I recorded a bunch of squatting (warmup to 90kg). My problem is that at 90kg I seem to be unable to break below parallel, and my upper body begins to lean forward. I have been trying to fix this for weeks but no success. Whatever I do exactly at 90 the same things happen.
I am not even sure if the video sufficiently shows the problem, but please, if you have any ideas, help me out. I think the last 2 reps of the 90kg show what I am talking about. It feels way worse during the exercise than it actually looks on video but the video should give you an idea what I mean.
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It's normal for your form to break down when you're lifting at your max. Your sets below 90kg look excellent, and even your first rep or two at 90kg is very good. Sure, they get progressively worse, but even that fifth rep broke parallel when you're obviously tired and struggling. I don't see any problems with your squat. Just keep your core tight, chest up, and keep getting stronger.
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On August 03 2012 13:10 Cecil wrote:
Here is 1/4 of the course that my running team is going to do on the 18th to prepare for Tough Mudder. We do this with 15% bodyweight in bricks in our backpacks for good measure:
Anybody else rockin' tough mudder this year?
Planning to, but info is a little light on at this stage. First time they'll be running it in Japan I believe.
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