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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
October 20 2011 01:59 GMT
#61
Eshlow I remember you mentioned somewhere that salt was a non issue for most and/or healthy people. Can you explain why exactly salt being bad is a myth? (or link to a decent article)
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 20 2011 02:08 GMT
#62
On October 20 2011 10:59 GoTuNk! wrote:
Eshlow I remember you mentioned somewhere that salt was a non issue for most and/or healthy people. Can you explain why exactly salt being bad is a myth? (or link to a decent article)


People with a normal healthy renin-angiotensin system can process stuff without a problem.

However, when you have high blood pressure cardiac and renal function may start to become impaired which negatively impacts the ability of the heart and kidneys to process salts well.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 20 2011 02:10 GMT
#63
On October 20 2011 10:04 Autofire2 wrote:
aw im a noob...sorry Esh, i missed your first reply, thanks for both!

Im keeping yogurt low and now that i can lift an average of 15 lbs more than i could just a couple sessions ago (holy **** HOW DOES SS WORK? lol ) I'm feeling real hungry for proteins anyway, and the small amounts of yogurt don't seem to be bloating me as much.

as for the diet yeah its more the caffeine and taste i crave...I should probably start weaning soon but it just seems that its regarded with suspicion...and i'm not sure what the suspicion is based on? I mean yeah there were alarmist studies but they never came to anything and IIRC there were similarly alarmist studies on all sort of things, like how cell phones caused cell-phone shaped tumors (seriously).

Either way, winter is coming as the starks say, so may be a good time to switch to black coffee anyway.


Coffee would be better if you need the caffeine.

just search for gut flora and diet soda
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MeShiet
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada290 Posts
October 24 2011 02:13 GMT
#64
I read through the link you've posted regarding fish oil in the OP and did a bit of research through my school's library and pubmed but I don't think I found anything concrete for what I want. Would you mind elaborating on the effects of fish oil for general joint health? Most of what I've found related to people suffering from arthritis and not so much healthy individuals. Thanks in advance.
If you die this way, you won't live to tell anyone how you died
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 24 2011 16:25 GMT
#65
On October 24 2011 11:13 MeShiet wrote:
I read through the link you've posted regarding fish oil in the OP and did a bit of research through my school's library and pubmed but I don't think I found anything concrete for what I want. Would you mind elaborating on the effects of fish oil for general joint health? Most of what I've found related to people suffering from arthritis and not so much healthy individuals. Thanks in advance.


That's what it is for... chronic inflammation in joint = decreases ability of repair of cartilage

Basically, if you can retain cartilage in joint longer you will not get arthritis which means that it is working.
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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
October 25 2011 17:36 GMT
#66
is there a list of recommended products to buy for vitamin d?
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 13:35:46
October 26 2011 13:35 GMT
#67
On October 26 2011 02:36 AoN.DimSum wrote:
is there a list of recommended products to buy for vitamin d?

Yeah, the one on iherb in this article is obviously the one I use and the one many other people use:

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/10/a-closer-look-at-vitamin-d/

VI. Recommended product
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 00:52:16
October 28 2011 00:51 GMT
#68
Ground breaking nutrition study telling us something most of us already knew:

Is there a role for carbohydrate restriction in the treatment and prevention of cancer?
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/8/1/75/abstract

Conclusions
We summarize our main findings from the literature regarding the role of dietary CHO
restriction in cancer development and outcome.

(i) Most, if not all, tumor cells have a high demand on glucose compared to benign
cells of the same tissue and conduct glycolysis even in the presence of oxygen (the
Warburg effect). In addition, many cancer cells express insulin receptors (IRs) and
show hyperactivation of the IGF1R-IR pathway. Evidence exists that chronically
elevated blood glucose, insulin and IGF1 levels facilitate tumorigenesis and
worsen the outcome in cancer patients.

(ii) The involvement of the glucose-insulin axis may also explain the association of
the metabolic syndrome with an increased risk for several cancers. CHO restriction
has already been shown to exert favorable effects in patients with the metabolic
syndrome. Epidemiological and anthropological studies indicate that restricting
dietary CHOs could be beneficial in decreasing cancer risk.

(iii) Many cancer patients, in particular those with advanced stages of the disease,
exhibit altered whole-body metabolism marked by increased plasma levels of
inflammatory molecules, impaired glycogen synthesis, increased proteolysis and
increased fat utilization in muscle tissue, increased lipolysis in adipose tissue and
increased gluconeogenesis by the liver. High fat, low CHO diets aim at accounting
for these metabolic alterations. Studies conducted so far have shown that such
diets are safe and likely beneficial, in particular for advanced stage cancer patients.

(iv) CHO restriction mimics the metabolic state of calorie restriction or – in the case of
KDs – fasting. The beneficial effects of calorie restriction and fasting on cancer
risk and progression are well established. CHO restriction thus opens the
possibility to target the same underlying mechanisms without the side-effects of
hunger and weight loss.

(v) Some laboratory studies indicate a direct anti-tumor potential of ketone bodies.
During the past years, a multitude of mouse studies indeed proved anti-tumor
effects of KDs for various tumor types, and a few case reports and pre-clinical
studies obtained promising results in cancer patients as well. Several registered
clinical trials are going to investigate the case for a KD as a supportive therapeutic
option in oncology.


If you know anyone with cancer, please please please persuade them to eat ketogenic diet.

It can literally eradicate cancer in some cases, and at least help your body fight better against cancer thus increases survivability.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
October 28 2011 02:19 GMT
#69
Ok ty eshlow, I should of checked the link first .
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
October 30 2011 12:04 GMT
#70
I'm getting close to my goal bodyfat for now with leangains and I want to try using it for a bulk soon. Is there anything I should change besides increasing the calorie intake for this? And what would be a good rate of weight gain to keep the fat gains at a minimum?
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 30 2011 12:08 GMT
#71
On October 30 2011 21:04 Logros wrote:
I'm getting close to my goal bodyfat for now with leangains and I want to try using it for a bulk soon. Is there anything I should change besides increasing the calorie intake for this? And what would be a good rate of weight gain to keep the fat gains at a minimum?


Generally, aim for 1 lbs increase a week.

+500 kcals is about where you need to start, but it may go up depending on how your body responds.
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
October 30 2011 13:21 GMT
#72
On October 28 2011 09:51 eshlow wrote:
Ground breaking nutrition study telling us something most of us already knew:

Is there a role for carbohydrate restriction in the treatment and prevention of cancer?
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/8/1/75/abstract

Show nested quote +
Conclusions
We summarize our main findings from the literature regarding the role of dietary CHO
restriction in cancer development and outcome.

(i) Most, if not all, tumor cells have a high demand on glucose compared to benign
cells of the same tissue and conduct glycolysis even in the presence of oxygen (the
Warburg effect). In addition, many cancer cells express insulin receptors (IRs) and
show hyperactivation of the IGF1R-IR pathway. Evidence exists that chronically
elevated blood glucose, insulin and IGF1 levels facilitate tumorigenesis and
worsen the outcome in cancer patients.

(ii) The involvement of the glucose-insulin axis may also explain the association of
the metabolic syndrome with an increased risk for several cancers. CHO restriction
has already been shown to exert favorable effects in patients with the metabolic
syndrome. Epidemiological and anthropological studies indicate that restricting
dietary CHOs could be beneficial in decreasing cancer risk.

(iii) Many cancer patients, in particular those with advanced stages of the disease,
exhibit altered whole-body metabolism marked by increased plasma levels of
inflammatory molecules, impaired glycogen synthesis, increased proteolysis and
increased fat utilization in muscle tissue, increased lipolysis in adipose tissue and
increased gluconeogenesis by the liver. High fat, low CHO diets aim at accounting
for these metabolic alterations. Studies conducted so far have shown that such
diets are safe and likely beneficial, in particular for advanced stage cancer patients.

(iv) CHO restriction mimics the metabolic state of calorie restriction or – in the case of
KDs – fasting. The beneficial effects of calorie restriction and fasting on cancer
risk and progression are well established. CHO restriction thus opens the
possibility to target the same underlying mechanisms without the side-effects of
hunger and weight loss.

(v) Some laboratory studies indicate a direct anti-tumor potential of ketone bodies.
During the past years, a multitude of mouse studies indeed proved anti-tumor
effects of KDs for various tumor types, and a few case reports and pre-clinical
studies obtained promising results in cancer patients as well. Several registered
clinical trials are going to investigate the case for a KD as a supportive therapeutic
option in oncology.


If you know anyone with cancer, please please please persuade them to eat ketogenic diet.

It can literally eradicate cancer in some cases, and at least help your body fight better against cancer thus increases survivability.


What I find sad is that 1% of oncologist will prolly read this.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
October 30 2011 16:46 GMT
#73
@Eshlow: I'll keep this in mind in the future.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
SMEED
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada64 Posts
November 04 2011 19:00 GMT
#74
Some things in the OP I'm not sure about.

From what I've read and learned over the years of losing weight:

1. It's difficult to lose fat and gain lots of muscle at the same time. It can be done to a small degree but your body has a hard time being efficient at both. You can gain some muscle, of course, while dieting, but bodybuilding isn't going to work well.

2. Cardio is the most important exercise for losing weight. Getting your body moving at a medium heart rate for an extended period every day will help with your metabolism greatly. You may not lose many calories for a brisk walk for an hour, but the side benefits (including metabolism, "feeling good", being away from the kitchen) compliment a fat-loss diet perfectly.

3. Light weights or "toning" has a similar effect as cardio. The goal is not to build mass muscle - the goal is to work your muscles to burn calories and keep your heart rate at a medium (target) level for an extended period of time.

Basically, one of the best exercise programs I have done was p90x by beachbody. It is a 90 day program that can be done multiple times, and its focus is half cardio (yoga, plyrometrics, cardiox, karate) and strength work (chest - pushups, back - pullups, weights, arms.sholders - weights, abs). This could be considered a cardio and muscle work - but no gym or heavy weights are required - just your body weight and some medium-weight free weights. Works wonders.

Can you tell me why cardio and high rep workouts are looked upon by this thread as not good for weight loss? Almost all material out there recommends dieting + cardio as the most effective weight loss method (this may be an appeal to majority, but even if it is, you need to point out why the masses are wrong. They also recognize that cardio doesnt burn many calories).

Point is: If you do a solid hour to hour and a half of exercise you can burn up to 500-600 calories a day. If you eat at a 500 calorie deficit and burn 500 that's 1000 calorie deficit a day. Which would net you about a 2lb a week loss of fat.

Thanks
IdrA, DRG, NesTea
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 23:31:44
November 04 2011 23:31 GMT
#75
1. Clearly. I state this..... higher BF% the better it works. Gets exponentially harder as you improve

2. Read the spoiler.

3. Read the spoiler.

Supplement -- read the training recommendations thread.

I have already responded to these points.

Don't get me wrong, you can make good progress using cardio. But it won't be as effective as lifting weights. Weights are better per time spent.

If you have the time to do weights + cardio it's even better.
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
November 05 2011 00:14 GMT
#76
Also no matter how thin you get, you will need some muscle to look good. And p90x won't build much of that.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
SMEED
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada64 Posts
November 05 2011 01:44 GMT
#77
Ok thanks Eshlow.

Glurio, p90x is pretty good with building muscle as well if you just want to "look good". Unless you want to get super massive in which case you should body build.
IdrA, DRG, NesTea
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 15:16:59
November 06 2011 15:15 GMT
#78
On October 28 2011 09:51 eshlow wrote:
Ground breaking nutrition study telling us something most of us already knew:

Is there a role for carbohydrate restriction in the treatment and prevention of cancer?
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/8/1/75/abstract

Show nested quote +
Conclusions
We summarize our main findings from the literature regarding the role of dietary CHO
restriction in cancer development and outcome.

(i) Most, if not all, tumor cells have a high demand on glucose compared to benign
cells of the same tissue and conduct glycolysis even in the presence of oxygen (the
Warburg effect). In addition, many cancer cells express insulin receptors (IRs) and
show hyperactivation of the IGF1R-IR pathway. Evidence exists that chronically
elevated blood glucose, insulin and IGF1 levels facilitate tumorigenesis and
worsen the outcome in cancer patients.

(ii) The involvement of the glucose-insulin axis may also explain the association of
the metabolic syndrome with an increased risk for several cancers. CHO restriction
has already been shown to exert favorable effects in patients with the metabolic
syndrome. Epidemiological and anthropological studies indicate that restricting
dietary CHOs could be beneficial in decreasing cancer risk.

(iii) Many cancer patients, in particular those with advanced stages of the disease,
exhibit altered whole-body metabolism marked by increased plasma levels of
inflammatory molecules, impaired glycogen synthesis, increased proteolysis and
increased fat utilization in muscle tissue, increased lipolysis in adipose tissue and
increased gluconeogenesis by the liver. High fat, low CHO diets aim at accounting
for these metabolic alterations. Studies conducted so far have shown that such
diets are safe and likely beneficial, in particular for advanced stage cancer patients.

(iv) CHO restriction mimics the metabolic state of calorie restriction or – in the case of
KDs – fasting. The beneficial effects of calorie restriction and fasting on cancer
risk and progression are well established. CHO restriction thus opens the
possibility to target the same underlying mechanisms without the side-effects of
hunger and weight loss.

(v) Some laboratory studies indicate a direct anti-tumor potential of ketone bodies.
During the past years, a multitude of mouse studies indeed proved anti-tumor
effects of KDs for various tumor types, and a few case reports and pre-clinical
studies obtained promising results in cancer patients as well. Several registered
clinical trials are going to investigate the case for a KD as a supportive therapeutic
option in oncology.


If you know anyone with cancer, please please please persuade them to eat ketogenic diet.

It can literally eradicate cancer in some cases, and at least help your body fight better against cancer thus increases survivability.


As somebody who has had and survived cancer, this is incredibly useful knowledge. I don't know the relapse rates for ALL (far too afraid to look them up), but the thought of it happening again keeps me up at night. Perhaps this is really a wake-up call for me to stay ketogenic year-round, as I'm sure that would help prevent or at least delay the onset of a relapse.

Of course, the thought of eating a T-Bone after a session of chemotherapy isn't exactly appealing to me. The only thing I was really able to stomach most of the time was potatoes, some crackers, or maybe some sorbet ice cream.

Any other cancer/chronic disease prevention tips?
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 06 2011 23:41 GMT
#79
Stay away from refined carbohydrates completely.
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RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 07:09:24
November 07 2011 07:07 GMT
#80
Cool, thanks.

I've also been drinking two liters of green tea every day for the past couple of months, and I've noticed that it has improved my skin quite significantly in this time. Antioxidants out the wazoo.

Here is what I ate today for my first try at keto:

(16 hour fast)

Breakfast: 300g of ground meat, one head of broccoli.
(One scoop of whey)
Lunch: 240g of pork shortribs, one head of broccoli.
(One scoop of whey)
Dinner: 200g of hamburger steak, assorted vegetables.

All in all I'm guessing I'm at about 3,000 calories for the day, with 250~ grams of protein. I feel like I can keep this up forever considering the ease of all this.
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