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rEiGN~
Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 13:34:20
August 30 2011 13:33 GMT
#10681
What's a good way to measure diet / adjust deficit/surplus? Should I buy calipers and measure some spots weekly? Not counting calories that accurately right now, it becomes harder when you eat lunch out, eating clean though.
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Mereel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany895 Posts
August 30 2011 13:34 GMT
#10682
hi guys,
i try to lose some weight because im not happy in my current situation.
i read the opening post about cardio but it seems not the right way to lose weight. it focus mainly on nutrition.

and there is the problem. i dont really know when to eat what to lose weight. i know the general rule is less carb more protein. i tried that now for some days and its really hard to find good compensators for the heavy carb amount i eat before.

what im currently eating:
breakfast: muesli with fruits (oat flakes+dried berrys, no sugar)
Inbetween: maybe some bread...dont know, thats the hardest part^^
Lunch: something with low carb, mostly chicken with vegetables or something along the line
Inbetween: salad with ewe's cheese, paprika and yogurt (i dont like oil and vinegar dressing)
Dinner: no dinner, maybe some lowfat quark or vegetables

not sure if sleep time or general eating time plays a role in losing weight but it definitely not shows any result till now.
+ i do half an hour cardio training on my homebike.

i try to lose at least 3 kilos, from 63 to 60
TPW Mapmaking Team
kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
August 30 2011 13:36 GMT
#10683
On August 30 2011 22:34 Mereel wrote:
hi guys,
i try to lose some weight because im not happy in my current situation.
i read the opening post about cardio but it seems not the right way to lose weight. it focus mainly on nutrition.

and there is the problem. i dont really know when to eat what to lose weight. i know the general rule is less carb more protein. i tried that now for some days and its really hard to find good compensators for the heavy carb amount i eat before.

what im currently eating:
breakfast: muesli with fruits (oat flakes+dried berrys, no sugar)
Inbetween: maybe some bread...dont know, thats the hardest part^^
Lunch: something with low carb, mostly chicken with vegetables or something along the line
Inbetween: salad with ewe's cheese, paprika and yogurt (i dont like oil and vinegar dressing)
Dinner: no dinner, maybe some lowfat quark or vegetables

not sure if sleep time or general eating time plays a role in losing weight but it definitely not shows any result till now.
+ i do half an hour cardio training on my homebike.

i try to lose at least 3 kilos, from 63 to 60


how tall are you?? 63 kilos is ridiculously light for pretty much anyone.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
August 30 2011 13:40 GMT
#10684
On August 30 2011 22:09 phyre112 wrote:
Leangains is ridiculous. not even one week in, and I notice significant changes to my stomach, as well as to my energy levels and my focus. Loving it so far. I would be that at the calorie levels I was at, I'm two weeks from visible abs.

Since that isn't my goal atm, I'm adding ANOTHER 100 calories to each day. (~3500 lifting days and ~2700 off days.) I think I also need to learn to estimate portion sizes better, I'm just going by "fist is a cup" "deck of cards is 3 oz" etc. etc.


Yeah, I'm doing the fasting, but I'm lifting 5x/week so I don't know what to do about the calorie cycling. What do you think... should I do my high carb/high calorie stuff 5x a week and go low calorie 2x/week or stick to the 3/4 plan?
Mereel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany895 Posts
August 30 2011 13:46 GMT
#10685
On August 30 2011 22:36 kaisr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 22:34 Mereel wrote:
hi guys,
i try to lose some weight because im not happy in my current situation.
i read the opening post about cardio but it seems not the right way to lose weight. it focus mainly on nutrition.

and there is the problem. i dont really know when to eat what to lose weight. i know the general rule is less carb more protein. i tried that now for some days and its really hard to find good compensators for the heavy carb amount i eat before.

what im currently eating:
breakfast: muesli with fruits (oat flakes+dried berrys, no sugar)
Inbetween: maybe some bread...dont know, thats the hardest part^^
Lunch: something with low carb, mostly chicken with vegetables or something along the line
Inbetween: salad with ewe's cheese, paprika and yogurt (i dont like oil and vinegar dressing)
Dinner: no dinner, maybe some lowfat quark or vegetables

not sure if sleep time or general eating time plays a role in losing weight but it definitely not shows any result till now.
+ i do half an hour cardio training on my homebike.

i try to lose at least 3 kilos, from 63 to 60


how tall are you?? 63 kilos is ridiculously light for pretty much anyone.

i am 1,70.
TPW Mapmaking Team
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
August 30 2011 13:51 GMT
#10686
On August 30 2011 22:46 Mereel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 22:36 kaisr wrote:
On August 30 2011 22:34 Mereel wrote:
hi guys,
i try to lose some weight because im not happy in my current situation.
i read the opening post about cardio but it seems not the right way to lose weight. it focus mainly on nutrition.

and there is the problem. i dont really know when to eat what to lose weight. i know the general rule is less carb more protein. i tried that now for some days and its really hard to find good compensators for the heavy carb amount i eat before.

what im currently eating:
breakfast: muesli with fruits (oat flakes+dried berrys, no sugar)
Inbetween: maybe some bread...dont know, thats the hardest part^^
Lunch: something with low carb, mostly chicken with vegetables or something along the line
Inbetween: salad with ewe's cheese, paprika and yogurt (i dont like oil and vinegar dressing)
Dinner: no dinner, maybe some lowfat quark or vegetables

not sure if sleep time or general eating time plays a role in losing weight but it definitely not shows any result till now.
+ i do half an hour cardio training on my homebike.

i try to lose at least 3 kilos, from 63 to 60


how tall are you?? 63 kilos is ridiculously light for pretty much anyone.

i am 1,70.



Are you male? If yes, you really shouldn't lose weight. Whats your goal (Picture)?

Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
Snapplecakes
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway78 Posts
August 30 2011 13:53 GMT
#10687
On August 30 2011 21:20 rEiGN~ wrote:
Intermittent fasting day 2. Jesus I was hungry before lunch at 2pm today.


takes you 1-2 weeks to adjust to the changes in your eating pattern
SQUATS AND OATS!
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
August 30 2011 14:04 GMT
#10688
On August 30 2011 22:53 Snapplecakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 21:20 rEiGN~ wrote:
Intermittent fasting day 2. Jesus I was hungry before lunch at 2pm today.


takes you 1-2 weeks to adjust to the changes in your eating pattern


Yeah, man I'm facing the same thing right now. Hunger kinda kicks in rather early, but man when you get to chow down on the food it's good.
http://www.twitch.tv/advocadosc2
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
August 30 2011 14:07 GMT
#10689
On August 30 2011 22:34 Mereel wrote:
breakfast: muesli with fruits (oat flakes+dried berrys, no sugar)


Dried berries are basically sugar
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Mereel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany895 Posts
August 30 2011 14:08 GMT
#10690
On August 30 2011 22:51 glurio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 22:46 Mereel wrote:
On August 30 2011 22:36 kaisr wrote:
On August 30 2011 22:34 Mereel wrote:
hi guys,
i try to lose some weight because im not happy in my current situation.
i read the opening post about cardio but it seems not the right way to lose weight. it focus mainly on nutrition.

and there is the problem. i dont really know when to eat what to lose weight. i know the general rule is less carb more protein. i tried that now for some days and its really hard to find good compensators for the heavy carb amount i eat before.

what im currently eating:
breakfast: muesli with fruits (oat flakes+dried berrys, no sugar)
Inbetween: maybe some bread...dont know, thats the hardest part^^
Lunch: something with low carb, mostly chicken with vegetables or something along the line
Inbetween: salad with ewe's cheese, paprika and yogurt (i dont like oil and vinegar dressing)
Dinner: no dinner, maybe some lowfat quark or vegetables

not sure if sleep time or general eating time plays a role in losing weight but it definitely not shows any result till now.
+ i do half an hour cardio training on my homebike.

i try to lose at least 3 kilos, from 63 to 60


how tall are you?? 63 kilos is ridiculously light for pretty much anyone.

i am 1,70.



Are you male? If yes, you really shouldn't lose weight. Whats your goal (Picture)?


i wont post pictures of me here. the problem is that i have too much fat in the belly and breast area. i did workout for some time and it never changed anything so now i try it the other way.

i gained muscles in the workout time no doubt but the fat was the same all the time
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
August 30 2011 14:18 GMT
#10691
Post pictures of your goal body.

If you dont have enough muscle and cut fat you won't really look good.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
rEiGN~
Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 14:24:04
August 30 2011 14:23 GMT
#10692
As 170cm tall I would assume one should be at least 70kg LEAN to look good? From that perspective it doesn't sound like you have reasonable amount of muscle, so maybe lifting weights and goals related to that are a better idea for now instead of concentrating on cutting.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
August 30 2011 14:49 GMT
#10693
On August 30 2011 15:55 exShikari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 06:25 eshlow wrote:
On August 30 2011 05:22 exShikari wrote:
On August 30 2011 03:57 eshlow wrote:
On August 30 2011 02:42 Mithrandir wrote:
On August 29 2011 21:43 eshlow wrote:
On August 29 2011 12:30 exShikari wrote:
On August 28 2011 20:48 Malinor wrote:
On August 28 2011 18:05 exShikari wrote:
I am genuinely at a loss as to why this thread is called the Health & Fitness initiative. I would rename it the bulking up thread. There's more to fitness than the size of your muscles -.-


If you read the OP, you will find a lot about nutrition, gymnastics and miscellaneous stuff (sleeping etc.) in there also. This thread has mainly developed into a Weightlifting thread, which is a little bit unfortunate and the reason why we are trying to get a sub-forum, where we can split stuff up into running, lifting, gymnastics, whatever your heart desires basically.

edit: I was surprised there is nothing about injuries/injury-prevention in our OP, or maybe I am just blind...

Besides that, I feel that a lot of the stuff you have posted on the last page seems questionable or even flat out wrong to me (and I don't say that because I believe that lifting heavy weights is the only way to achieve health and fitness). ==> Cardio helping with Pull-Ups? Only in the sense that if you lose 5kg by doing cardio those Pull-Ups will get easier.

Cardio helps with everything man, everything. I did read the OP which was fine, but yeah this is definitely a weight-lifting thread not a fitness thread which is why I questioned it. Sub-forums would be a good idea.


How does cardio help with pullups?

Studies would be useful, preferably.

I can show how weight lifting helps with running. Can you do the opposite?


Cardio helps with pullups by speeding recovery, if done right. 20 easy min 3x/week sorta deal.

Do I get a prize?

Now can you show me any world class runners who use weight training?
And please, endurance only. I think that's what the guy was referring to.


No, you don't get a prize because you haven't proven anything. Prove to me how the physiological adaptations obtained from cardio help to improve pullups.

I asked for studies of which I can provide for athletes in phases of endurance training the benefit of strength work:

Rowers:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21510717
Cyclists:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21362056
cross country skiing:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21081854
Runners:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20840561
etc.

Also, Hicham El Guerrouj's training program for example:
http://run-down.com/guests/mv_el_guerrouj.php

You see, I can find studies that prove that strength work supports cardiovascular adaptations. However, you will have lots of trouble reliably proving the opposite.

Ok. I'm not going to provide studies because I really can't be bothered right now (just finished work and it's nearly 6am ) but I'll dig some up if you really want.

If you knew anything at all about human biology you would know that the longer your body can utilise aerobic respiration to synthesise ATP the better. And guess what doing cardio does? Increases the aerobic threshold. Mind = blown.
On August 30 2011 03:36 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On August 30 2011 02:42 Mithrandir wrote:
On August 29 2011 21:43 eshlow wrote:
On August 29 2011 12:30 exShikari wrote:
On August 28 2011 20:48 Malinor wrote:
On August 28 2011 18:05 exShikari wrote:
I am genuinely at a loss as to why this thread is called the Health & Fitness initiative. I would rename it the bulking up thread. There's more to fitness than the size of your muscles -.-


If you read the OP, you will find a lot about nutrition, gymnastics and miscellaneous stuff (sleeping etc.) in there also. This thread has mainly developed into a Weightlifting thread, which is a little bit unfortunate and the reason why we are trying to get a sub-forum, where we can split stuff up into running, lifting, gymnastics, whatever your heart desires basically.

edit: I was surprised there is nothing about injuries/injury-prevention in our OP, or maybe I am just blind...

Besides that, I feel that a lot of the stuff you have posted on the last page seems questionable or even flat out wrong to me (and I don't say that because I believe that lifting heavy weights is the only way to achieve health and fitness). ==> Cardio helping with Pull-Ups? Only in the sense that if you lose 5kg by doing cardio those Pull-Ups will get easier.

Cardio helps with everything man, everything. I did read the OP which was fine, but yeah this is definitely a weight-lifting thread not a fitness thread which is why I questioned it. Sub-forums would be a good idea.


How does cardio help with pullups?

Studies would be useful, preferably.

I can show how weight lifting helps with running. Can you do the opposite?


Cardio helps with pullups by speeding recovery, if done right. 20 easy min 3x/week sorta deal.

Do I get a prize?

Now can you show me any world class runners who use weight training?
And please, endurance only. I think that's what the guy was referring to.


Top American marathoner Ryan Hall lifts weights. I believe all true elite distance runners do strength training of some kind. If it is not in the form of lifting weights it is in the form of doing plyometrics or drills of various kinds.

They do weights yeah but not to get big, more for muscle endurance.


I have a BS in biochemistry. I know what you are thinking, but it's incorrect thinking.

I think you should consider the fact that cardiovascular endurance is not the limiting factor in endurance exercise. Vo2max, for example, which signifies both cardiovascular ability, is not the defining factor in ability in elite endurance runners.

When you are talking about an exercise such as pullups where there is more of a strength-endurance type of effort needed, the defining factors that influence performance will be (1) maximal strength which makes repetitions easier and (2) ability of the muscles to tolerate anaerobic threshold specific to that muscle.

Cardio, which works the legs, also benefits the heart. However, it is not confer any significant benefits to the lats, biceps, forearms, and rest of the shoulder girdle which is critical in building the strength-endurance of those muscles for pullups.

So basically what you are saying is wrong. Just flat out wrong.

There's no need to do cardio to increase pullup numbers. He needs to (1) train weighted pullups and (2) train lots of pullups in high rep sets.

Specificity in training is key to get good at things.

Well played sir. But I disagree that I'm completely wrong. Cardio is still going to help him, it's not like it's going to have a negative effect


Again, it may help minorly. But not significantly.

There are better things for him to be doing. If he has extra time sure.

But suggestions in this thread are going to be the most bang for the buck. Hence, why cardio is not recommended for anything except for long distance endurance goals.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Mereel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany895 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 15:00:11
August 30 2011 14:59 GMT
#10694
well i cant really find a good picture in google...there are only extremly trained ones
i only found this one:
http://static.zoonar.de/img/www_repository3/99/e9/2d/10_837fb4d71f1484d36fdf95a1356f00f5.jpg

normal men body i guess. thats the goal

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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 15:10:16
August 30 2011 15:09 GMT
#10695
On August 30 2011 22:34 Mereel wrote:
hi guys,
i try to lose some weight because im not happy in my current situation.
i read the opening post about cardio but it seems not the right way to lose weight. it focus mainly on nutrition.

and there is the problem. i dont really know when to eat what to lose weight. i know the general rule is less carb more protein. i tried that now for some days and its really hard to find good compensators for the heavy carb amount i eat before.

what im currently eating:
breakfast: muesli with fruits (oat flakes+dried berrys, no sugar)
Inbetween: maybe some bread...dont know, thats the hardest part^^
Lunch: something with low carb, mostly chicken with vegetables or something along the line
Inbetween: salad with ewe's cheese, paprika and yogurt (i dont like oil and vinegar dressing)
Dinner: no dinner, maybe some lowfat quark or vegetables

not sure if sleep time or general eating time plays a role in losing weight but it definitely not shows any result till now.
+ i do half an hour cardio training on my homebike.

i try to lose at least 3 kilos, from 63 to 60


1. How tall are you? 63kg is pretty light. Unless you're shorter than 160 cm you shouldn't really be trying to lose weight....

edit: nm you're 170cm. You need to put on muscle rather than lose weight.

2. You need more protein and good fats.

3. Weight lifting is more effective for weight loss than cardio.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
August 30 2011 15:11 GMT
#10696
Well you won't need to lose weight i think. with 63 kg at 170 you should be an average skinnyfat.
Sport reduction does not work, do some cardio cut out junk food, should be enough.

http://www.stumptuous.com/ <- this should be added in the OP for women.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
Mereel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany895 Posts
August 30 2011 15:25 GMT
#10697
allright....lets say 2 times/week basic gym training and food doesnt really matter besides junkfood and sugarstuff.
thats it?
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rEiGN~
Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
August 30 2011 15:30 GMT
#10698
On August 31 2011 00:25 Mereel wrote:
allright....lets say 2 times/week basic gym training and food doesnt really matter besides junkfood and sugarstuff.
thats it?

This is your new favorite site: http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
August 30 2011 15:46 GMT
#10699
On August 30 2011 21:54 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Drinking a ton of milk will help you learn how to eat.

Today's macros: 95g of fat, 230g of protein, 520g of carbs (lol).

I take my carb refeeds seriously.

Decaf: I've got no idea how you stay so lean on such consistently high calorie diets. I'm still moving more slowly towards 105kg, but my squat hasn't gone up in ages--probably about nine months of not hitting a new real PR (old PR is 130kg; felt like I could pull another rep at that weight too). Today I failed at 122.5kgx1, and also failed at 97.5kg bench. I used to rep 95kgx5 on bench too .

Yeah, I have to stop getting off track with the lifting. This is honestly getting embarrassing.


By lifting, duh. Genetics probably play a role too. But my "high calorie diet" recently has been consisting of 3000 calories of beer and like one or two meals T_T God damn welcome week at school.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
August 30 2011 15:49 GMT
#10700
On August 31 2011 00:25 Mereel wrote:
allright....lets say 2 times/week basic gym training and food doesnt really matter besides junkfood and sugarstuff.
thats it?


Food definitely does matter.
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