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Tulius

Brazil52 Posts

August 30 2011 00:41 GMT

#10661

On August 30 2011 08:44 AoN.DimSum wrote:

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What's a streaming marathon?

btw I cant seem to eat noodles/pasta anymore. I get so gassy now. :/

this

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258172

oh and about gluten-heavy stuff, I guess most people have the same issues after 4+weeks into paleo D: - same happened to me

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

August 30 2011 00:49 GMT

#10662

dammit why is it so hard to eat 3k calories D:

AoN.DimSum

United States2983 Posts

August 30 2011 00:51 GMT

#10663

On August 30 2011 09:41 Tulius wrote:

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this

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258172

oh and about gluten-heavy stuff, I guess most people have the same issues after 4+weeks into paleo D: - same happened to me

ok ty, that is a wierd challenge.

Damn I guess this is more of a reason never to eat that stuff again LOL. I was in the bathroom all morning because of it.

Froadac

United States6733 Posts

August 30 2011 01:01 GMT

#10664

On August 30 2011 09:49 infinity21 wrote:
dammit why is it so hard to eat 3k calories D:

Lol. Same problem as you. What are you trying to eat.

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

August 30 2011 01:10 GMT

#10665

On August 30 2011 10:01 Froadac wrote:

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Lol. Same problem as you. What are you trying to eat.

I cheated and ate some instant noodles today lol (yay free 1k calories)
Lots of milk, whey, cottage cheese, eggs, etc. on top of the regular meals that my mom makes.

Froadac

United States6733 Posts

August 30 2011 01:16 GMT

#10666

Yeah... It sucks trying to gain weight when in a household with two people trying to lose it.

funkie

Venezuela9376 Posts

August 30 2011 01:28 GMT

#10667

Dadadaaaaaaa

114kg Squat 3x5
84kg Bench Press 3x5
55kg Press

Get huge guys! Also, the confidence is up, and girls seem to like it. Ask these 3 girls at the gym :D

Yay!

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

August 30 2011 01:30 GMT

#10668

I think milk/whey is prob your best bet to sneak in calories throughout the day.

Cambium

United States16368 Posts

August 30 2011 01:33 GMT

#10669

bench:
225 lb: 4-4-2

DL:
345 lb: 4-1

Froadac

United States6733 Posts

August 30 2011 01:54 GMT

#10670

What whey if any should I get?

Oh, and no whole milk for me, says the parents.

Cambium

United States16368 Posts

August 30 2011 01:55 GMT

#10671

^I use Optimum Nutrition and it tastes decent.

I thought you were secretly buying whole milk on your own?

Froadac

United States6733 Posts

August 30 2011 02:00 GMT

#10672

On August 30 2011 10:55 Cambium wrote:
^I use Optimum Nutrition and it tastes decent.

I thought you were secretly buying whole milk on your own?

During ze summer. During school it's much harder. And I was only able to do half gallon at most. Can't really drink a whole gallon at same time.

Plus was gone a lot, and ended up not exercising as much as I should have. Got restarted though.

RemedySC

Canada176 Posts

August 30 2011 05:25 GMT

#10673

Haven't posted in a few weeks so i'll update.

Today's workout -

Squat: 200lbs 3x5
Bench:125lbs 3x5
Deadlift: 205lbs 1x5
Chin-ups: 6-6-4 BW
Leg raises: 3x15

Also i'm going to update my goals to be more specific.

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Name: RemedySC
Age: 21 || Height: 5'8" || Weight: 145 lbs
Starting Date: Aug, 29, 2011 || Goal Date: Dec 31, 2011
Weight goals -- 160 lbs with close to 10% BF

Training goals --

Lifts - Current / Goals

Squat(3x5) - 200lbs / 245lbs
Deadlift(1x5) - 205lbs / 275lbs
Bench(3x5) - 125lbs / 185lbs
Press(3x5) - 80lbs / 115lbs
Powerclean(5x3) - 110lbs / 155lbs

Nutrition goals -- Eat more consistently and cut out all junk food. Also eat a lot more meat and vegetables.

Misc goals -- Keep on improving myself in every way possible, spend tons of time with family, and get an awesome career!

exShikari

Australia237 Posts

August 30 2011 06:55 GMT

#10674

On August 30 2011 06:25 eshlow wrote:

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On August 30 2011 05:22 exShikari wrote:

On August 30 2011 03:57 eshlow wrote:

On August 30 2011 02:42 Mithrandir wrote:

On August 29 2011 21:43 eshlow wrote:

On August 29 2011 12:30 exShikari wrote:

On August 28 2011 20:48 Malinor wrote:

On August 28 2011 18:05 exShikari wrote:
I am genuinely at a loss as to why this thread is called the Health & Fitness initiative. I would rename it the bulking up thread. There's more to fitness than the size of your muscles -.-

If you read the OP, you will find a lot about nutrition, gymnastics and miscellaneous stuff (sleeping etc.) in there also. This thread has mainly developed into a Weightlifting thread, which is a little bit unfortunate and the reason why we are trying to get a sub-forum, where we can split stuff up into running, lifting, gymnastics, whatever your heart desires basically.

edit: I was surprised there is nothing about injuries/injury-prevention in our OP, or maybe I am just blind...

Besides that, I feel that a lot of the stuff you have posted on the last page seems questionable or even flat out wrong to me (and I don't say that because I believe that lifting heavy weights is the only way to achieve health and fitness). ==> Cardio helping with Pull-Ups? Only in the sense that if you lose 5kg by doing cardio those Pull-Ups will get easier.

Cardio helps with everything man, everything. I did read the OP which was fine, but yeah this is definitely a weight-lifting thread not a fitness thread which is why I questioned it. Sub-forums would be a good idea.

How does cardio help with pullups?

Studies would be useful, preferably.

I can show how weight lifting helps with running. Can you do the opposite?

Cardio helps with pullups by speeding recovery, if done right. 20 easy min 3x/week sorta deal.

Do I get a prize?

Now can you show me any world class runners who use weight training?
And please, endurance only. I think that's what the guy was referring to.

No, you don't get a prize because you haven't proven anything. Prove to me how the physiological adaptations obtained from cardio help to improve pullups.

I asked for studies of which I can provide for athletes in phases of endurance training the benefit of strength work:

Rowers:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21510717
Cyclists:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21362056
cross country skiing:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21081854
Runners:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20840561
etc.

Also, Hicham El Guerrouj's training program for example:
http://run-down.com/guests/mv_el_guerrouj.php

You see, I can find studies that prove that strength work supports cardiovascular adaptations. However, you will have lots of trouble reliably proving the opposite.

Ok. I'm not going to provide studies because I really can't be bothered right now (just finished work and it's nearly 6am

) but I'll dig some up if you really want.

If you knew anything at all about human biology you would know that the longer your body can utilise aerobic respiration to synthesise ATP the better. And guess what doing cardio does? Increases the aerobic threshold. Mind = blown.

On August 30 2011 03:36 AirbladeOrange wrote:

On August 30 2011 02:42 Mithrandir wrote:

On August 29 2011 21:43 eshlow wrote:

On August 29 2011 12:30 exShikari wrote:

On August 28 2011 20:48 Malinor wrote:

How does cardio help with pullups?

Studies would be useful, preferably.

I can show how weight lifting helps with running. Can you do the opposite?

Top American marathoner Ryan Hall lifts weights. I believe all true elite distance runners do strength training of some kind. If it is not in the form of lifting weights it is in the form of doing plyometrics or drills of various kinds.

They do weights yeah but not to get big, more for muscle endurance.

I have a BS in biochemistry. I know what you are thinking, but it's incorrect thinking.

I think you should consider the fact that cardiovascular endurance is not the limiting factor in endurance exercise. Vo2max, for example, which signifies both cardiovascular ability, is not the defining factor in ability in elite endurance runners.

When you are talking about an exercise such as pullups where there is more of a strength-endurance type of effort needed, the defining factors that influence performance will be (1) maximal strength which makes repetitions easier and (2) ability of the muscles to tolerate anaerobic threshold specific to that muscle.

Cardio, which works the legs, also benefits the heart. However, it is not confer any significant benefits to the lats, biceps, forearms, and rest of the shoulder girdle which is critical in building the strength-endurance of those muscles for pullups.

So basically what you are saying is wrong. Just flat out wrong.

There's no need to do cardio to increase pullup numbers. He needs to (1) train weighted pullups and (2) train lots of pullups in high rep sets.

Specificity in training is key to get good at things.

Well played sir. But I disagree that I'm completely wrong. Cardio is still going to help him, it's not like it's going to have a negative effect

BouBou.865

Netherlands814 Posts

August 30 2011 08:59 GMT

#10675

But exShikari, if his time is limited to 5 hours a week, do you still feel that cardio should be priotised over lifting?

DwmC_Foefen

Belgium2186 Posts

August 30 2011 09:46 GMT

#10676

On August 30 2011 10:30 infinity21 wrote:
I think milk/whey is prob your best bet to sneak in calories throughout the day.

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Careful on the milk though, drank a lot last week and I was shitting like crazy. Maybe it's just me though :p

glurio

Germany597 Posts

August 30 2011 11:23 GMT

#10677

Just eat some peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to get calories. Ice cream etc. It's not really hard to get calories in tbh.
Reach the protein goal and then fill up with that stuff.
Pasta is the easiest way to get in a lot of carbs at once.

rEiGN~

369 Posts

August 30 2011 12:20 GMT

#10678

Intermittent fasting day 2. Jesus I was hungry before lunch at 2pm today.

RosaParksStoleMySeat

Japan926 Posts

August 30 2011 12:54 GMT

#10679

Drinking a ton of milk will help you learn how to eat.

Today's macros: 95g of fat, 230g of protein, 520g of carbs (lol).

I take my carb refeeds seriously.

Decaf: I've got no idea how you stay so lean on such consistently high calorie diets. I'm still moving more slowly towards 105kg, but my squat hasn't gone up in ages--probably about nine months of not hitting a new real PR (old PR is 130kg; felt like I could pull another rep at that weight too). Today I failed at 122.5kgx1, and also failed at 97.5kg bench. I used to rep 95kgx5 on bench too

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Yeah, I have to stop getting off track with the lifting. This is honestly getting embarrassing.

phyre112

United States3090 Posts

August 30 2011 13:09 GMT

#10680

Leangains is ridiculous. not even one week in, and I notice significant changes to my stomach, as well as to my energy levels and my focus. Loving it so far. I would be that at the calorie levels I was at, I'm two weeks from visible abs.

Since that isn't my goal atm, I'm adding ANOTHER 100 calories to each day. (~3500 lifting days and ~2700 off days.) I think I also need to learn to estimate portion sizes better, I'm just going by "fist is a cup" "deck of cards is 3 oz" etc. etc.

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