On April 04 2011 01:51 AoN.DimSum wrote: From what I see in the gym, most people don't have the flexibility for behind the neck stuff. Other than more variety, I don't even see the point of a lot of behind the neck stuff unless you want to work on your overhead position.
Yeah, I just liked the movement is all. I seem to have the flexibility for it, but I'll just do a seated OHP for now to keep my form strict.
I hate to ask so many questions to everyone, but what is an ideal amount of calories to eat a day while cutting? I'm currently doing leangains with occasional other intermittent fasting, and on some days I eat around 1500 calories ... I know that starvation mode and whatnot are myths and all, but is there any negative effects to eating this far below my maintenance?
In review, my highest calorie day on this cut has been 2700, and my lowest calorie day was 800. My average day is probably around 1700-1800, which seems a bit low, but I'm just wondering if there are any downfalls to this.
hmm, the last time I attempted to cut down to like 8-10% bf was late 2009, admittedly I had a lot less muscle and could probably achieve the same results in 6-8 weeks now.
I started at 2000 calories a day and cut down 100-150calories every couple of weeks, I think it took me 10-12 weeks to cut down to like 9%bf.
I was only 68kg though, skinniest bloke with a 6pack ever. Currently I'm 80kg at perhaps 16%bf
That is something that worked for me, I'm not sure exactly how the lean gains system works.
Edit: I was at something stupid like 1200 calories a day towards the end.
On April 04 2011 01:51 AoN.DimSum wrote: From what I see in the gym, most people don't have the flexibility for behind the neck stuff. Other than more variety, I don't even see the point of a lot of behind the neck stuff unless you want to work on your overhead position.
If you're able to do clean ohs and squat jerks relatively comfortably, do you pretty much have the requisite flexibility to do btn press?
Well yes, but if you are comfortable with that then I see no reason to do btn press. I experimented with btn snatch press and stuff like that but I dont see much carryover unless you want variety once in awhile. Regular grip press btn is fine. The only behind the neck stuff I do regularly is jerks since its easier to drop the weight on your traps then your front shoulders.
YES! My coach introduced me to the sots press. I do these every single workout and it's helped immensely with shoulder mobility. After doing these, I have 0 discomfort in CGOHS after sufficient warmup up. I still come forward on my toes while pressing it up with just a little weight on the bar though. It's an insanely hard exercise though, only myself and 2 other people at my oly gym were able to do the mens bar.
It's coming along well, but like I said before, I miss behind a lot even with lightish weights. I seem to be over-rotate a little bit. I mostly need to get the feel for the squat jerks and get it to a high % of my split jerk (my power jerk is about even/slightly ahead of split), then I'll probably do most of them "Shi Zhiyong" style, and just try to power jerk everything and catch above parallel but be able to ride it down to a full squat if I need to. A lot of power jerkers like Dimas and Kahki had problems losing the bar if it ever rode them down past parallel.
I'm 5'11 with arms a little on the long side, so I don't know if this will work out, but I figure if I decide to switch back to splitting the extra shoulder mobility and overhead strength will help me with delivering the bar to the right spot behind the ears.
Hmm i'm gonna have to try out the sots press that looks good. The older guys i workout with say if youre gonna squat jerk then you should do the full motion as much as possible because it will help you out at higher weights. And yeah i'm 6'1 with some long ass arms so i figured squat/power jerking is pretty out of the question cause the bar ends up so damn high above my head it will be pretty easy to lose it lol.
On April 05 2011 01:16 sJarl wrote: The solution is always to add bacon.
Also, I wouldn't do a cut with a calorie count below 2000. It just feels wrong.
for most people, cutting at 2k would take forever though :/
on my cut I'm eating 1500-1600 on average on diet days.
Rosa is my height though, and 2700 calories per day is just about maintenance for me at 170 lbs/78kg. The two times in the last eight months I've felt bad about my stomach, I just spend a week at 2000-2200 calories a day, and drop five pounds.
On April 05 2011 01:16 sJarl wrote: The solution is always to add bacon.
Also, I wouldn't do a cut with a calorie count below 2000. It just feels wrong.
for most people, cutting at 2k would take forever though :/
on my cut I'm eating 1500-1600 on average on diet days.
Rosa is my height though, and 2700 calories per day is just about maintenance for me at 170 lbs/78kg. The two times in the last eight months I've felt bad about my stomach, I just spend a week at 2000-2200 calories a day, and drop five pounds.
Hmmm it's posts like these that make me think I really need to start keeping track of my caloric intake... I'm 170 but I'm pretty sure I'm not eating that much consistently.
On April 05 2011 02:52 Lemonayd wrote: It is a beautiful day here in MD so I got out there for a two mile jog/walk. :D
Yeah man, I'd do the same if I could get outside now. Makes me sad sometimes to be inside the gym on nice days like this when I go.
On April 05 2011 01:16 sJarl wrote: The solution is always to add bacon.
Also, I wouldn't do a cut with a calorie count below 2000. It just feels wrong.
for most people, cutting at 2k would take forever though :/
on my cut I'm eating 1500-1600 on average on diet days.
Rosa is my height though, and 2700 calories per day is just about maintenance for me at 170 lbs/78kg. The two times in the last eight months I've felt bad about my stomach, I just spend a week at 2000-2200 calories a day, and drop five pounds.
Hmmm it's posts like these that make me think I really need to start keeping track of my caloric intake... I'm 170 but I'm pretty sure I'm not eating that much consistently.
On April 05 2011 02:52 Lemonayd wrote: It is a beautiful day here in MD so I got out there for a two mile jog/walk. :D
Yeah man, I'd do the same if I could get outside now. Makes me sad sometimes to be inside the gym on nice days like this when I go.
Tracking calories is ezpz. Get fitday, or if you own a smartphone, mtfitnesspal. Put in what you eat right when you eat it, and after a few weeks you'll we able to estimate on your own for bulking purposes.
Let me clarify that i'm 170 at ~6'4 or 6'5. It doesn't take the same amount of calories at different heights to keep the same weight.
On April 05 2011 01:16 sJarl wrote: The solution is always to add bacon.
Also, I wouldn't do a cut with a calorie count below 2000. It just feels wrong.
for most people, cutting at 2k would take forever though :/
on my cut I'm eating 1500-1600 on average on diet days.
Maybe...but they wouldn't go much down in strength at the time.
I've been adding strength doing this actually. 1500-1600 kcal diet days, and about 3000 on workout days. if you lose strength on a diet, you fucked up.
On April 05 2011 01:16 sJarl wrote: The solution is always to add bacon.
Also, I wouldn't do a cut with a calorie count below 2000. It just feels wrong.
for most people, cutting at 2k would take forever though :/
on my cut I'm eating 1500-1600 on average on diet days.
Rosa is my height though, and 2700 calories per day is just about maintenance for me at 170 lbs/78kg. The two times in the last eight months I've felt bad about my stomach, I just spend a week at 2000-2200 calories a day, and drop five pounds.
Hmmm it's posts like these that make me think I really need to start keeping track of my caloric intake... I'm 170 but I'm pretty sure I'm not eating that much consistently.
On April 05 2011 02:52 Lemonayd wrote: It is a beautiful day here in MD so I got out there for a two mile jog/walk. :D
Yeah man, I'd do the same if I could get outside now. Makes me sad sometimes to be inside the gym on nice days like this when I go.
Tracking calories is ezpz. Get fitday, or if you own a smartphone, mtfitnesspal. Put in what you eat right when you eat it, and after a few weeks you'll we able to estimate on your own for bulking purposes.
Let me clarify that i'm 170 at ~6'4 or 6'5. It doesn't take the same amount of calories at different heights to keep the same weight.
Good point, I'm a lowly 5'8"
My problem is I'll forget about fitday until like the end of the day- and then at that point it's not accurate enough to be useful. Need to get used to it.