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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
October 14 2015 21:48 GMT
#13001
Why aren't you guys keeping me entertained today?
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
October 14 2015 22:01 GMT
#13002
On October 14 2015 14:38 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 13:19 TheHumanSensation wrote:
also re warhammer stuff: Looked at a bunch of things, and it seems like the new rules (ie updated at some point over the last 12 years or so) allow for a lot more army mixing. If I understand it correctly, in fantasy there's no limit to this whatsoever but people still build around a single theme typically. So, my main question is that in terms of community stuff, are more abstract themes (ex// "all the walking robot things", "things with wings", "random units of 5-ish figures led a commander modelled after a wwe wrestler (like john cena leading the ultramarines)", etc.) looked down upon compared to race/lore/faction themes like "space marines" or "orcs"?

Also knockoff warhammers are like way cheaper than real warhammers, which is neat since I'm more into decorating them then making anything tournament legal etc.

+ Show Spoiler +
Again, can only really speak to 40k.

No one really looks down on anyone for making allied armies, for the most part. If you're just doing it to cheese, then yeah people will bitch. But in fact, there are a lot of really cool allied armies out there, especially if you put a lot of time into customizing them into a consistent theme.

Rules wise, allies are a thing. Different armies have different levels of alliance based on how likely they are to work together in the lore. But if you want, you can ally anything with anything with varying amount of drawback. For example, any Imperium Army (Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus) is buddy buddy with any other faction, but have varying amounts of downsides for allying with any Chaos army.

If you're talking about just making a counts-as army that's a mix of different models with a consistent theme but is using a certain set of rules, that's generally ok, as long as it's really clear what's what and you're not trying to pass off a Guardsman as a Daemon Prince. I saw a really cool Orks/Renegades (Chaos Imperial Guard) list that had Ork gunners on the artillery pieces and Ork-themed Daemons. I've also seen Necrons kitted out with Eldar bits to make an army that looks Necron-y but played with the Eldar ruleset.

Generally, if you actually want to play, then you'll want to stick to one army, at least to start with (probably to around 1000 points, as allying at below point is pretty tough), but if you're just looking to buy some models and make dioramas or whatever, then go nuts.


Thanks! I think the information of regarding "counts-as" armies was especially helpful to my understanding of things. Right now I'm liking the idea of an adeptas sororitas army, with signs instead of flags, and they're all some variation of "[cisheteropatriachy / white supremacy / capitalism / biological determinism / settler colonialism / etc.] is heresy". Google searches have shown me that people get some serious nerdrage about gendering space marines, so I think thoroughly queering things will be cathartic, at least. The sisters of battle models seem like they're all one-piece or few very pieces even when you get a plastic copy, so I'll probably have to use quite a few pieces to do what I want, but I haven't carved anything in a while (I have a wooden bretonnian trebuchet, and a few small things I didn't put as much effort into leftover from kid years) so hoping it'll be fun!

Actually I guess also another question: if I make shit out of wood (ie obviously not GW materials, but not that green stuff stuff) is that cool or no?
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 22:20:14
October 14 2015 22:19 GMT
#13003
On October 15 2015 06:48 Eppa! wrote:
Why aren't you guys keeping me entertained today?


+ Show Spoiler [dramabug] +

Everyone's probably seen this already but w/e reruns can be fun too.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 14 2015 22:32 GMT
#13004
On October 15 2015 07:01 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 14:38 Requizen wrote:
On October 14 2015 13:19 TheHumanSensation wrote:
also re warhammer stuff: Looked at a bunch of things, and it seems like the new rules (ie updated at some point over the last 12 years or so) allow for a lot more army mixing. If I understand it correctly, in fantasy there's no limit to this whatsoever but people still build around a single theme typically. So, my main question is that in terms of community stuff, are more abstract themes (ex// "all the walking robot things", "things with wings", "random units of 5-ish figures led a commander modelled after a wwe wrestler (like john cena leading the ultramarines)", etc.) looked down upon compared to race/lore/faction themes like "space marines" or "orcs"?

Also knockoff warhammers are like way cheaper than real warhammers, which is neat since I'm more into decorating them then making anything tournament legal etc.

+ Show Spoiler +
Again, can only really speak to 40k.

No one really looks down on anyone for making allied armies, for the most part. If you're just doing it to cheese, then yeah people will bitch. But in fact, there are a lot of really cool allied armies out there, especially if you put a lot of time into customizing them into a consistent theme.

Rules wise, allies are a thing. Different armies have different levels of alliance based on how likely they are to work together in the lore. But if you want, you can ally anything with anything with varying amount of drawback. For example, any Imperium Army (Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus) is buddy buddy with any other faction, but have varying amounts of downsides for allying with any Chaos army.

If you're talking about just making a counts-as army that's a mix of different models with a consistent theme but is using a certain set of rules, that's generally ok, as long as it's really clear what's what and you're not trying to pass off a Guardsman as a Daemon Prince. I saw a really cool Orks/Renegades (Chaos Imperial Guard) list that had Ork gunners on the artillery pieces and Ork-themed Daemons. I've also seen Necrons kitted out with Eldar bits to make an army that looks Necron-y but played with the Eldar ruleset.

Generally, if you actually want to play, then you'll want to stick to one army, at least to start with (probably to around 1000 points, as allying at below point is pretty tough), but if you're just looking to buy some models and make dioramas or whatever, then go nuts.


Thanks! I think the information of regarding "counts-as" armies was especially helpful to my understanding of things. Right now I'm liking the idea of an adeptas sororitas army, with signs instead of flags, and they're all some variation of "[cisheteropatriachy / white supremacy / capitalism / biological determinism / settler colonialism / etc.] is heresy". Google searches have shown me that people get some serious nerdrage about gendering space marines, so I think thoroughly queering things will be cathartic, at least. The sisters of battle models seem like they're all one-piece or few very pieces even when you get a plastic copy, so I'll probably have to use quite a few pieces to do what I want, but I haven't carved anything in a while (I have a wooden bretonnian trebuchet, and a few small things I didn't put as much effort into leftover from kid years) so hoping it'll be fun!

Actually I guess also another question: if I make shit out of wood (ie obviously not GW materials, but not that green stuff stuff) is that cool or no?


My headmate is the Emperor of Mankind and he is not amused.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 22:42:07
October 14 2015 22:37 GMT
#13005
On October 15 2015 07:32 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 07:01 TheHumanSensation wrote:
On October 14 2015 14:38 Requizen wrote:
On October 14 2015 13:19 TheHumanSensation wrote:
also re warhammer stuff: Looked at a bunch of things, and it seems like the new rules (ie updated at some point over the last 12 years or so) allow for a lot more army mixing. If I understand it correctly, in fantasy there's no limit to this whatsoever but people still build around a single theme typically. So, my main question is that in terms of community stuff, are more abstract themes (ex// "all the walking robot things", "things with wings", "random units of 5-ish figures led a commander modelled after a wwe wrestler (like john cena leading the ultramarines)", etc.) looked down upon compared to race/lore/faction themes like "space marines" or "orcs"?

Also knockoff warhammers are like way cheaper than real warhammers, which is neat since I'm more into decorating them then making anything tournament legal etc.

+ Show Spoiler +
Again, can only really speak to 40k.

No one really looks down on anyone for making allied armies, for the most part. If you're just doing it to cheese, then yeah people will bitch. But in fact, there are a lot of really cool allied armies out there, especially if you put a lot of time into customizing them into a consistent theme.

Rules wise, allies are a thing. Different armies have different levels of alliance based on how likely they are to work together in the lore. But if you want, you can ally anything with anything with varying amount of drawback. For example, any Imperium Army (Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus) is buddy buddy with any other faction, but have varying amounts of downsides for allying with any Chaos army.

If you're talking about just making a counts-as army that's a mix of different models with a consistent theme but is using a certain set of rules, that's generally ok, as long as it's really clear what's what and you're not trying to pass off a Guardsman as a Daemon Prince. I saw a really cool Orks/Renegades (Chaos Imperial Guard) list that had Ork gunners on the artillery pieces and Ork-themed Daemons. I've also seen Necrons kitted out with Eldar bits to make an army that looks Necron-y but played with the Eldar ruleset.

Generally, if you actually want to play, then you'll want to stick to one army, at least to start with (probably to around 1000 points, as allying at below point is pretty tough), but if you're just looking to buy some models and make dioramas or whatever, then go nuts.


Thanks! I think the information of regarding "counts-as" armies was especially helpful to my understanding of things. Right now I'm liking the idea of an adeptas sororitas army, with signs instead of flags, and they're all some variation of "[cisheteropatriachy / white supremacy / capitalism / biological determinism / settler colonialism / etc.] is heresy". Google searches have shown me that people get some serious nerdrage about gendering space marines, so I think thoroughly queering things will be cathartic, at least. The sisters of battle models seem like they're all one-piece or few very pieces even when you get a plastic copy, so I'll probably have to use quite a few pieces to do what I want, but I haven't carved anything in a while (I have a wooden bretonnian trebuchet, and a few small things I didn't put as much effort into leftover from kid years) so hoping it'll be fun!

Actually I guess also another question: if I make shit out of wood (ie obviously not GW materials, but not that green stuff stuff) is that cool or no?


My headmate is the Emperor of Mankind and he is not amused.


I will make a "xenophobia is heresy" sign just for you~

edit: also monotheism and nationalism
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 22:43:55
October 14 2015 22:41 GMT
#13006
Brode explaining the Warsong nerf

I've come around to the nerf as well. I don't like them killing an entire deck archetype, but it really seems like that card was limiting them design wise. In the video he even says Dreadsteed was gonna be a neutral minion in Naxx but they couldn't do it because Warsong existed.

Edit: Still, they could have still made it less trash.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 14 2015 22:51 GMT
#13007
Man I really fucked this up.

I budgeted extra money for Singapore because I wanted to live it up for three days.

I however did not look at the days I would be here.


The opera is closed this week only.

There are two classical music concerts the day after I leave.

People are telling me the night safari sucks.

I really shouldn't go shopping in Singapore because everything is cheaper elsewhere.


I feel like such a failure as an American right now. I guess I'll go to fancy restaurants or whatever.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
October 14 2015 23:09 GMT
#13008
On October 15 2015 07:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
Brode explaining the Warsong nerf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprkXykU5xM
I've come around to the nerf as well. I don't like them killing an entire deck archetype, but it really seems like that card was limiting them design wise. In the video he even says Dreadsteed was gonna be a neutral minion in Naxx but they couldn't do it because Warsong existed.

Edit: Still, they could have still made it less trash.

Riot Brode: It's toxic guys we can't have it in game. That thing about patron warrior being to complex for the game as a justification is just dumb.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 23:14:51
October 14 2015 23:12 GMT
#13009
On October 15 2015 08:09 Eppa! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 07:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
Brode explaining the Warsong nerf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprkXykU5xM
I've come around to the nerf as well. I don't like them killing an entire deck archetype, but it really seems like that card was limiting them design wise. In the video he even says Dreadsteed was gonna be a neutral minion in Naxx but they couldn't do it because Warsong existed.

Edit: Still, they could have still made it less trash.

Riot Brode: It's toxic guys we can't have it in game. That thing about patron warrior being to complex for the game as a justification is just dumb.

Nvm I misread.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 14 2015 23:45 GMT
#13010
w00t Blue Jays
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Skitter
Profile Joined August 2015
United States899 Posts
October 14 2015 23:47 GMT
#13011
These aren't the Rangers I care about
xd
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2015 00:09 GMT
#13012
On October 15 2015 08:47 Skitter wrote:
These aren't the Rangers I care about


but damn was it a funny game
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 15 2015 01:36 GMT
#13013
On October 15 2015 07:01 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 14:38 Requizen wrote:
On October 14 2015 13:19 TheHumanSensation wrote:
also re warhammer stuff: Looked at a bunch of things, and it seems like the new rules (ie updated at some point over the last 12 years or so) allow for a lot more army mixing. If I understand it correctly, in fantasy there's no limit to this whatsoever but people still build around a single theme typically. So, my main question is that in terms of community stuff, are more abstract themes (ex// "all the walking robot things", "things with wings", "random units of 5-ish figures led a commander modelled after a wwe wrestler (like john cena leading the ultramarines)", etc.) looked down upon compared to race/lore/faction themes like "space marines" or "orcs"?

Also knockoff warhammers are like way cheaper than real warhammers, which is neat since I'm more into decorating them then making anything tournament legal etc.

+ Show Spoiler +
Again, can only really speak to 40k.

No one really looks down on anyone for making allied armies, for the most part. If you're just doing it to cheese, then yeah people will bitch. But in fact, there are a lot of really cool allied armies out there, especially if you put a lot of time into customizing them into a consistent theme.

Rules wise, allies are a thing. Different armies have different levels of alliance based on how likely they are to work together in the lore. But if you want, you can ally anything with anything with varying amount of drawback. For example, any Imperium Army (Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus) is buddy buddy with any other faction, but have varying amounts of downsides for allying with any Chaos army.

If you're talking about just making a counts-as army that's a mix of different models with a consistent theme but is using a certain set of rules, that's generally ok, as long as it's really clear what's what and you're not trying to pass off a Guardsman as a Daemon Prince. I saw a really cool Orks/Renegades (Chaos Imperial Guard) list that had Ork gunners on the artillery pieces and Ork-themed Daemons. I've also seen Necrons kitted out with Eldar bits to make an army that looks Necron-y but played with the Eldar ruleset.

Generally, if you actually want to play, then you'll want to stick to one army, at least to start with (probably to around 1000 points, as allying at below point is pretty tough), but if you're just looking to buy some models and make dioramas or whatever, then go nuts.


Thanks! I think the information of regarding "counts-as" armies was especially helpful to my understanding of things. Right now I'm liking the idea of an adeptas sororitas army, with signs instead of flags, and they're all some variation of "[cisheteropatriachy / white supremacy / capitalism / biological determinism / settler colonialism / etc.] is heresy". Google searches have shown me that people get some serious nerdrage about gendering space marines, so I think thoroughly queering things will be cathartic, at least. The sisters of battle models seem like they're all one-piece or few very pieces even when you get a plastic copy, so I'll probably have to use quite a few pieces to do what I want, but I haven't carved anything in a while (I have a wooden bretonnian trebuchet, and a few small things I didn't put as much effort into leftover from kid years) so hoping it'll be fun!

Actually I guess also another question: if I make shit out of wood (ie obviously not GW materials, but not that green stuff stuff) is that cool or no?


Cool, but keep in mind that if you play Sisters you're going to have a hard time doing it. Their model range is the most outdated in all of 40k (and it shows, they still use some metal models), and they have the only codex without a physical release (aside from non-armies like the Inquisition or Legion of the Damned).

There are alternative models if you're interested in going that route. Look around and there's plenty out there. One of the more popular ones recently is the "Toughest Girls in the Galaxy" line from Raging Heroes. Other people just use Space Marines but then get female heads from other companies and do some mods to create Sisters of Battle, as seen in something like this, or other places around the internet.

When doing a counts-as army, the more effort you put into it the more likely people are to accept it. No one wants to play against Eldar with the weapons swapped out doing "counts as Orks", but plenty of people will play if it's obvious that work went into it.

As for wood... I dunno, I guess it depends. I've never seen someone do it before, not in a full capacity. Again, it probably depends on how much effort you put into it. A roughly Rhino-shaped hunk of wood with a coat of paint on it won't pass on anyone's table, but if you have a tank chassis and a bunch of wooden extra bits hand-carved all over it and painted to look good, then I don't see anyone having a problem with it. Making characters out of wood would probably be pretty difficult (if possible at all), but I can see you making some wicked bases out of it.
It's your boy Guzma!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 15 2015 01:43 GMT
#13014
On October 15 2015 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 08:47 Skitter wrote:
These aren't the Rangers I care about


but damn was it a funny game



Definitely relevant.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Torontobluejays/comments/3osgbb/jays_win_it_biiiiiiiiiiiiig_bautista_is_a_beauty/cw01tw8
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2015 01:48 GMT
#13015
On October 15 2015 10:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 15 2015 08:47 Skitter wrote:
These aren't the Rangers I care about


but damn was it a funny game



Definitely relevant.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Torontobluejays/comments/3osgbb/jays_win_it_biiiiiiiiiiiiig_bautista_is_a_beauty/cw01tw8

I fully admit to being a bandwagoner on this as I generally don't care much about baseball but damn that game was a ride, and the bluejays subreddit is friggin hilarious right now.

Wish as a collective the fans could have been a little classier. I always thought we were better than that.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
October 15 2015 01:58 GMT
#13016
This new Brawl gives me RNG rage
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2015 02:15 GMT
#13017
Also holy balls is Yahtzee ever the biggest cynic in the damn world.
I'm pretty sure it's fairly widely agreed that Mario Maker is fun and a good game, and yet he just rips it apart. Hilariously, I might add.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/57514-Super-Mario-Maker-Review
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 15 2015 02:17 GMT
#13018
On October 15 2015 10:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
This new Brawl gives me RNG rage

Turn 1 Mal Ganis gave me that win ~.~
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
October 15 2015 02:23 GMT
#13019
On October 15 2015 11:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 10:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
This new Brawl gives me RNG rage

Turn 1 Mal Ganis gave me that win ~.~

Turn 1 Antonidas into Turn 2 Legendary that gives 3 arcane missles for deathrattle
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 15 2015 02:24 GMT
#13020
On October 15 2015 11:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also holy balls is Yahtzee ever the biggest cynic in the damn world.
I'm pretty sure it's fairly widely agreed that Mario Maker is fun and a good game, and yet he just rips it apart. Hilariously, I might add.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/57514-Super-Mario-Maker-Review

Yahtzee got boring after a while. I get that being cynical and vitriolic is his "thing", but honestly it's the same thing in nearly every review. And Escapist realized that him being angry got them more hits, so they just told him to keep doing it.

Same thing happened to Moviebob when he got kicked out. He did a couple movie reviews, then did one that was really angry and full of swear words and criticism, which got a bunch of hits, and then the rest afterwards were like that.

I mean, I don't blame them. If you're an internet content provider, you're going to provide whatever gets you the most hits.
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