The Shikyo Memorial for QQ Therapy - Page 86

On December 07 2011 13:16 Zooper31 wrote:


Maybe he was getting rdy to build 6warmogs?

On December 07 2011 12:14 CeriseCherries wrote:


you must be the troll

On December 07 2011 16:19 Soloside wrote:


fml. just got trolled by duo queue. I pick swain mid. Retards go shaco/shen. Shaco takes blue buff.

Instawin game with blue-less swain. IMMIRITE?

obvi vs lane against leblanc.

On December 07 2011 22:08 Hynda wrote:
The problem with riots elo is simply the fact that they put waaaaay to much stock into the map. The difference between Purple and Blue acording to riot is 200 elo and that simply isn't true.

On December 08 2011 02:06 Soloside wrote:
how does a 17xx player only get 83 cs in 20 minutes as gp top.

so so so so confused.

Why he trolling me so hard. T_T

On December 07 2011 13:53 Hipsv wrote:
Just got another account to 30, first game I'm playing WW as jungle (3rd pick first pick was ad carry), so I'm doing pretty well by the mid game, Finishing off madreds, have wits/sv/stark's so I'm fairly tanky but do a pretty respectable amount of damage, and they all focus me in a teamfight, but I'm outhealing their damage, only to realize THEY ARE ALL FOCUSING MALPHITE THE TANK. Eventually I was maxed out and 18 and most of them were still 15/16 and the other team was 18 with enough items to kill me with malz's ult and ever since that game I have had 4 games in a row of a feeder or a DC into 20 min surrender FML. I didn't even rage at all during the games just tried to give helpful tips.

For real Riot's MM system is actually terrible. It just seems like they will throw a 1300 elo player in with two 1100 players and two 1000 players and then have that fight a 1150 team and think that that is an acceptable match when in reality it basically leads to the better player raging and tilting because of nooby players who end up feeding or playing badly.

I think ELO in general is actually a horrid system for team games especially basing it ONLY on win or loss when a mistake by a player or two end game can cost you the game. I could be an AD carry and be 15/2/9 and still lose a game because the tank and another dps got caught out, doesn't mean that I was a worse player than the other team, but I'm going to lose elo because of someone else's mistake.

I also don't agree with the ELO system TLPD uses for example because playing more games will grant you much more ELO than beating better players, TaeJa was a huge Example of this, he won tons of games in ESV weeklies and ended up being 2nd ELO forever under MVP, but did anyone think he could or should be the favorite against players like DRG/NesTea? nope clearly not. Don't mistake this as me hating TaeJa because I do like him, I just don't feel he was ever the second best player.

But anyways I seriously think that riot needs to Rework their MM system. Firstly no more of the 1300 + 1100+1100+1000+1000 = 1200 team stupidity. Secondly they should assess the role you have (AD carry/jungle/tank/support) and work your ELO loss/gain based on your performance. For example if I am a tank and I end up with a 3/5/21 record, with millions of damage taken at the end, that's fairly indicative that you did your job quite well and you should gain more ELO than a 1/9/5 AD carry who totally flat out kept the other team in the game. IF you are a support and have a 9/1/10 record you should gain less points than a support with a 0/4/22 record ect.

A system like that encourages players to perform their role well and will also punish poor players even upon winning so you don't get a 1400 team with a player who had lucky MM again and again and is really only a 1100 player.

This is a good thread helps you get all your pent up anger out in a constructive way haha.

On December 08 2011 00:06 starfries wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's 20 not 200

On December 08 2011 03:45 barbsq wrote:


this will not work. at all. 1st off, elo is the only method you can reasonably use for matchmaking. There's just no way around it, so it's not going anywhere. Second, your system of gaining elo per role will not work because many champs can be played in many roles. Take cow for instance, who is easily one of the most versatile champs in the game: he can play AP nuker, AD bruiser, straight tank, support, and jungle all well enough to be considered 'viable'. So how are you going to gauge how well he did based on any of his stats if you pigeonhole the reward system into a specific category.

If everything was clear cut like it is, for example, in most mmo's where you have pretty distinct paradigms used for the class system, you may be able to implement something like that, but when you have a game where champions break their traditional 'roles' all the time, it's nearly impossible to track what would be considered 'good' via stats, you would have to create such a complicated algorithm taking into account both your team composition and the enemy composition among other things that it gets overly complicated and probably just ends up bad anyways.

On December 08 2011 03:56 Hynda wrote:

nope 200.

On December 08 2011 01:49 Requizen wrote:
There really needs to be like, a better tutorial or like a school for some people.

There are simple concepts that you just need to know. Like, late game, stay together. Backdooring is fine, but when there's 3 people pushing, the tank is in the jungle, and the AD carry is doing whatever, those 3 people are going to get anally punished in the butt. EVERY SINGLE GAME. It's one thing when it's one idiot is off doing whatever, but it's something else when the two teams are poking at a turret and 3 people on your team just walk away to farm or something.

allofmyrage

On December 08 2011 06:10 Enox wrote:

do you realize that 99% of the ppl who post here are lvl 30 and play ranked games? the guys they complain about are lvl 30 players with a shit load of played games, no newbies who would need a better tutorial -.-