On November 22 2021 03:36 Vindicare605 wrote: Ugh the one time we finally get a Maru/Serral final I have to leave to work.
Dont worry its going to be shit. Expect 4:1 or 4:2 Serral. His style is good against Maru and in these conditions, Maru just isnt that great in these long drawn out style tournies. It was quite apparent against Dark when he made a lot of mistakes he wouldnt have done in top condition.
You were saying?
Games sounded like they were amazing. Congratulations Maru. Hands down without question the best Terran in the world right now, and very strong case for the strongest player in the world right now with back to back tournament wins.
Wow, what a performance by Maru! I thought he would make mistakes and get crushed, but every game was a slugfest and hard fought battle. I can't believe Maru himself said that he made some mistakes as I thought he had a flawless late-game.
His army compositions were so complex. There were widow mines, liberators, ghosts, tanks, missile turrets, and PFs. Then when the brood lords came, he changed to thors and blue-flame hell bats... I mean, that is as complex as it can get, and Maru controlled all of them so perfectly! He knew when to split off a small army to snipe a base or two or sacrifice a ghost to EMP the infestors. He knew when to disengage and fight in another area. Man, just all around near perfect late-game. He put on a TvZ lategame clinic today.
Maru is the GOAT, just looks like its some entity playing the race, unreal engagements and gamesense even at high ping. Its not like watching the very best of other races play where it looks like they're playing the standard script for the race, but doing it very well. Maru playing Terran looks like he has figured out another way to play the race, a way lesser players can't even try. Cure, TY and Clem could not turtle with ghosts this well, they're either not fast enough or clever enough to pull it off. It was clear this guy was something else when he held Effort's roach cheese against all odds in 2012. I hope Maru can keep playing at this peak to get his overdue World Champion title.
On November 22 2021 03:36 Vindicare605 wrote: Ugh the one time we finally get a Maru/Serral final I have to leave to work.
Dont worry its going to be shit. Expect 4:1 or 4:2 Serral. His style is good against Maru and in these conditions, Maru just isnt that great in these long drawn out style tournies. It was quite apparent against Dark when he made a lot of mistakes he wouldnt have done in top condition.
You were saying?
Games sounded like they were amazing. Congratulations Maru. Hands down without question the best Terran in the world right now, and very strong case for the strongest player in the world right now with back to back tournament wins.
I was looking for you. remember me who said maru 3-0'd serral when serral says that koreans dont give him so much of hard time lol.
that being said serral fought well and you gave accolades to the player who performed better. you have my respect.
Maru played incredible and deserved to win. Serral ran headfirst into a brick wall too many times today. Never utilizing his double nydus, no runbys. In game 6, Marus 3 o'clock base was an orbital with mass mules and NO defensive units. 10 lings would have decimated that in an instant. But Maru kept Serral busy in the lategame.
On November 22 2021 21:48 Harris1st wrote: Maru played incredible and deserved to win. Serral ran headfirst into a brick wall too many times today. Never utilizing his double nydus, no runbys. In game 6, Marus 3 o'clock base was an orbital with mass mules and NO defensive units. 10 lings would have decimated that in an instant. But Maru kept Serral busy in the lategame.
Serral was dead-on for a late game fight in that game from how I look at it. Its a very rare sight to see both side getting a huge bank of 8k Mineral + 5k Gas in TvZ without trading much before that. Its like Serral trying to make a statement that he can win lategame against Terran, going for the exact same BLord composition that he lost in previous game as well.
On November 22 2021 03:36 Vindicare605 wrote: Ugh the one time we finally get a Maru/Serral final I have to leave to work.
Dont worry its going to be shit. Expect 4:1 or 4:2 Serral. His style is good against Maru and in these conditions, Maru just isnt that great in these long drawn out style tournies. It was quite apparent against Dark when he made a lot of mistakes he wouldnt have done in top condition.
I can't help but notice a distinct lack of drama in this thread following this result. I can't say why that is, but it seems like with most end of tournament results there's a bunch of balance whining or argument about players status, but this one is one of those rare ones where just everyone is in agreement.
On November 22 2021 21:48 Harris1st wrote: Maru played incredible and deserved to win. Serral ran headfirst into a brick wall too many times today. Never utilizing his double nydus, no runbys. In game 6, Marus 3 o'clock base was an orbital with mass mules and NO defensive units. 10 lings would have decimated that in an instant. But Maru kept Serral busy in the lategame.
Serral was dead-on for a late game fight in that game from how I look at it. Its a very rare sight to see both side getting a huge bank of 8k Mineral + 5k Gas in TvZ without trading much before that. Its like Serral trying to make a statement that he can win lategame against Terran, going for the exact same BLord composition that he lost in previous game as well.
It reminded me of what happened against Innovation at Katowice and WESG in 2019.
On November 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote: I can't help but notice a distinct lack of drama in this thread following this result. I can't say why that is, but it seems like with most end of tournament results there's a bunch of balance whining or argument about players status, but this one is one of those rare ones where just everyone is in agreement.
No conclusions, just an observation.
Well, remarking that people are always very enthusiastic about Maru would be pointless. I don't like Maru's statements and the Cult of Holy Mary, his overzealous followers(always so eager to find excuses before the matches are even played...), but I do like how he plays and I greatly respect his skill. You can't really object that Maru was amazing this tournament, that he won fair and square and that he would be the best candidate if we had to indicate who's the best player in the world right now; also, I liked the fact that defeated players weren't bashed in the LR this time, unlike it happened more than once in the past.
On November 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote: I can't help but notice a distinct lack of drama in this thread following this result. I can't say why that is, but it seems like with most end of tournament results there's a bunch of balance whining or argument about players status, but this one is one of those rare ones where just everyone is in agreement.
No conclusions, just an observation.
We've gone soft in our old age, that or we scared all the foreigner fans away.
On November 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote: I can't help but notice a distinct lack of drama in this thread following this result. I can't say why that is, but it seems like with most end of tournament results there's a bunch of balance whining or argument about players status, but this one is one of those rare ones where just everyone is in agreement.
No conclusions, just an observation.
What can ya say. Maru did beat the current WC, the former WCs and won the finals while watching a sunrise in Korea. (almost) It's hard to find issues with that. Then he rode into the sundownsunrise and fell asleep
So Maru has undisputed best TvT, undisputed best TvZ, and now Super Tournament is looking like there's a decent chance he will have to TvP his way to the championship there.
On November 23 2021 10:00 Pandain wrote: So Maru has undisputed best TvT, undisputed best TvZ, and now Super Tournament is looking like there's a decent chance he will have to TvP his way to the championship there.
On November 23 2021 10:00 Pandain wrote: So Maru has undisputed best TvT, undisputed best TvZ, and now Super Tournament is looking like there's a decent chance he will have to TvP his way to the championship there.
Definitely not undisputed best TvZ.
Lol I knew this was coming. OK let's argue who else in that top tier because I think Maru has top tier TvZ even you can't argue that. And we have pros like Scarlett who say he is the toughest opponent on ladder. I'd be very curious to hear who you think has a better TvZ and why.
On November 23 2021 10:00 Pandain wrote: So Maru has undisputed best TvT, undisputed best TvZ, and now Super Tournament is looking like there's a decent chance he will have to TvP his way to the championship there.
Definitely not undisputed best TvZ.
Clem has a pretty atrocious record vs Reynor in the last few months. Obviously it's only one match but Maru beat him convincingly yesterday. I think that alone puts Maru ahead. I'm also pretty sure Maru is ahead in map score vs Serral and Rogue as well relative to Clem in results from the last 3 months or so.
And also that Serral bashing you alluded to above only happens in your head. Saying he's not the goat or that he's overrated based on his results isn't bashing. If you want to see real player bashing look at Reddit after a high profile Maru loss.
On November 23 2021 10:00 Pandain wrote: So Maru has undisputed best TvT, undisputed best TvZ, and now Super Tournament is looking like there's a decent chance he will have to TvP his way to the championship there.
Definitely not undisputed best TvZ.
And also that Serral bashing you alluded to above only happens in your head. Saying he's not the goat or that he's overrated based on his results isn't bashing. If you want to see real player bashing look at Reddit after a high profile Maru loss.
Truth. Xainon has even admitted as much in twitch chat before. He's hyper defensive of Serral. I'll never understand why, but he is. It's like a religion. Serral HAS to be the goat. If he isn't there's something super wrong, when by no metric he is.
"Undisputed" means that there is no contest and Clem is a serious contender. Maru did not qualify for NEXT because of his TvZ losses just a couple of weeks ago, let me remind you of that. This is exactly the point, you guys love Mary so much that everything he does is magnified to the extreme: "Maru's TvT has been outstanding in 2021, he was surely better than TY" or "Maru just won a tournament by defeating all the top Zerg so his TvZ prowess must be unmatchable".
I am obviously not speaking of opinions for which Serral is not the GOAT(perfectly fine, I wouldn't say he is) or that he is overrated based on his results(ridicolously wrong and borderline blasphemous, still a "legit" opinion). I speak of actual player bashing which happened for years, such a frail memory you guys have.
Whatever I may have admitted on Twitch, Vindicare, I can assure it's not what you made me say here.
On November 23 2021 10:00 Pandain wrote: So Maru has undisputed best TvT, undisputed best TvZ, and now Super Tournament is looking like there's a decent chance he will have to TvP his way to the championship there.
Definitely not undisputed best TvZ.
And also that Serral bashing you alluded to above only happens in your head. Saying he's not the goat or that he's overrated based on his results isn't bashing. If you want to see real player bashing look at Reddit after a high profile Maru loss.
Truth. Xainon has even admitted as much in twitch chat before. He's hyper defensive of Serral. I'll never understand why, but he is. It's like a religion. Serral HAS to be the goat. If he isn't there's something super wrong, when by no metric he is.
It is not just in the twitch chat. The cult has spreading to Youtube chat yesterday as well even he is not competing. It is so annoying and unfair to the players competing, and the cult keep chanting 'that man' all over the place.
EPT
