EPTI believe that Mvp was the smartest player that has ever graced sc2.
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
I believe that Mvp was the smartest player that has ever graced sc2. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16081 Posts
On July 25 2019 06:38 Xain0n wrote: Stuchiu would curse them all. It's due to recency bias in favor of Maru, anti KeSpa bias against Mvp and the fact that people think four consecutive Code S by itself would propel anyone to GOAT status, let alone one already fairly accomplished player. or it's because some people have other criteria than the ones you made up to make your favourite player look as good as possible. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
2nd most dominant year in SC2 history - had significant advantages in terms of teamhouse support - seems to be in Grand final. I'm not sure. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On July 25 2019 08:02 Dave4 wrote: Most dominant year in SC2 history - did it all alone against previously unconquered odds - eliminated in ro32 2nd most dominant year in SC2 history - had significant advantages in terms of teamhouse support - seems to be in Grand final. I'm not sure. Well one also has one of the best carreer in the game outside of his 1 year. Rogue/ByuN also didn't go far | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 25 2019 08:00 Charoisaur wrote: or it's because some people have other criteria than the ones you made up to make your favourite player look as good as possible. Enlighten me, what am I missing? | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
Seems the Serralboys are here. The polls are looking good though, the next matchups will be the truely exciting ones =) I'm predicting Inno victory because of maru antibias =D | ||
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JJH777
United States4419 Posts
On July 25 2019 07:59 IshinShishi wrote: I have to agree with Xain0n here,unlike Maru, prime Mvp just couldn't be tricked, couldn't be fooled, and he knew what to do in almost every game, regardless if he prepared for it or not, he wasnt ahead just mechanically like Maru is (granted, he is very ahead of his peers), he was ahead in the most beautiful aspect of an RTS game : strategy, honestly, Mvp mostly started losing because his hands/body couldn't keep up, his finals with Life reflected that. I believe that Mvp was the smartest player that has ever graced sc2. Mvp is one of my favorite players ever but let's not forget that even during 2011 which was his most dominant year and before his wrist issues got really bad he got eliminated in the ro32 of Code S and then lost in the up/down matches as well and spent a season in Code A. No one has ever been as untouchable as what you're talking about there. Everyone even during their most dominant peaks has weird losses. People just forget them when thinking about the best players of the past but remember them when thinking about recent players. Recency bias works both ways. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On July 25 2019 10:12 JJH777 wrote: Mvp is one of my favorite players ever but let's not forget that even during 2011 which was his most dominant year and before his wrist issues got really bad he got eliminated in the ro32 of Code S and then lost in the up/down matches as well and spent a season in Code A. No one has ever been as untouchable as what you're talking about there. Everyone even during their most dominant peaks has weird losses. People just forget them when thinking about the best players of the past but remember them when thinking about recent players. Recency bias works both ways. He did also failled to win Blizzard cup that year, which was more of a World championship than Blizzcon or WCG were that year IMO. | ||
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mopakarim4500
2 Posts
On July 05 2019 18:11 Anc13nt wrote: agreed. Regarding Maru and Inno, if you compare their achievements, they are very close but like in BW most people think Flash is greatest and not Nada. I think Inno's longevity is incredible and has value but Maru has good longevity and a GSL run that no one can/will ever come even close to. Also, tbh I can see Serral being top 5 in 2 more years since Stats, Zest, soO, sOs and many others will go to military soon (so he can catch up) but right now 18th place looks fair. Welcome everyone, it's been a long time comingmy ip birthday wishes tneb but after 3 month and 4 round of vote we are left with only 8 man in contention for the title of the greatest in the game. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4752 Posts
On July 25 2019 10:12 JJH777 wrote: Mvp is one of my favorite players ever but let's not forget that even during 2011 which was his most dominant year and before his wrist issues got really bad he got eliminated in the ro32 of Code S and then lost in the up/down matches as well and spent a season in Code A. No one has ever been as untouchable as what you're talking about there. Everyone even during their most dominant peaks has weird losses. People just forget them when thinking about the best players of the past but remember them when thinking about recent players. Recency bias works both ways. That is exactly how I feel. I followed SC2 much more closely when MVP was the top dog. But he was not nearly as dominant as people remember him. He was without a doubt the best, but he also was beaten convincingly on multiple occasions during his prime. I voted Maru. I think their accomplishments are pretty similar, but Maru has the longer career and is therefore more impactful. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16848 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12131 Posts
On July 25 2019 17:48 Wintex wrote: vote 4 mvp you goons Nope, Maru > Mvp  | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16081 Posts
Hmm let's see - you value GSL incredibly little and international tournaments incredibly high (regardless of the level of competition "names do not matter, results do!"). You don't value Proleague at all and put extra emphasis on how high of a peak a player reached. I wonder which player benefits the most from your "unbiased" criteria. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16848 Posts
humans do make mistakes intentionally, it seems | ||
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RatzBarcode
United States98 Posts
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote  he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would settle for best Zerg? technically, that's prolly You Know Who. secondly, he's more than a handful of games behind inno and maru. soo would've had to flip like 3 or 4 GSLs his way to be better than them. Maru and Inno and MVP aren't even undisputed #1, but somehow SoO is so close to being way better than them? no... | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 25 2019 17:52 Charoisaur wrote: Hmm let's see - you value GSL incredibly little and international tournaments incredibly high (regardless of the level of competition "names do not matter, results do!"). You don't value Proleague at all and put extra emphasis on how high of a peak a player reached. I wonder which player benefits the most from your "unbiased" criteria. I don't value Code S incredibly little, it's more like I value WCS; what is true is that my jaw doesn't drop as much as yours when four consecutive Code S victories are achieved when Code A is a joke. I value international tournaments quite high(don't you?), and the phrase "names do no matter, results do" is out of context here; the(most accurate and objective as possible, maybe using Aligulac?) evaluation of both the pool of players in a certain tournament and the path the winner had on his way to the title should affect how worth that victory is. Counting how many koreans are present isn't enough. I don't value teamleagues that much, it's true, and I find especially arbitrary to hold Proleague in such high regard. Peak vs consistency is not an easy matter, I would say an otherwordly peak is very important but not enough if followed or preceded by years of nothingness while a long career is a positive thing if the results obtained are mosg of the times above mediocrity(unless that player was part time and turns into full pro, or the opposite). | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On July 25 2019 18:58 RatzBarcode wrote: settle for best Zerg? technically, that's prolly You Know Who. secondly, he's more than a handful of games behind inno and maru. soo would've had to flip like 3 or 4 GSLs his way to be better than them. Maru and Inno and MVP aren't even undisputed #1, but somehow SoO is so close to being way better than them? no... soO needed a hand full of games to flip 3 or 4 or 6 GSLs his way. That is his entire point. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On July 25 2019 17:53 Wintex wrote: humans do make mistakes intentionally, it seems this is probably why will innovation will win overall, machines don’t make mistakes | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18337 Posts
 I hope it was Mvp, Nestea and Taeja. Just to be contrary. | ||
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