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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote ![]() At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno. I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead. | ||
DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote ![]() At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno. I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead. You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right? He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history). | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote ![]() At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno. I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead. You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right? He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history). Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here. It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example. | ||
Elentos
55458 Posts
On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote: On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote ![]() At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno. I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead. You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right? He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history). Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here. It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example. Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough? | ||
Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote: On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote ![]() At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno. I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead. You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right? He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history). Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here. It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example. Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough? According to my criteria, soO wouldn't even be close | ||
Elentos
55458 Posts
On July 24 2019 19:51 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote: On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote: On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote ![]() At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno. I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead. You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right? He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history). Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here. It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example. Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough? According to my criteria, soO wouldn't even be close His accomplishments as Terran are pretty lacking. | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote: On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote ![]() At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno. I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead. You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right? He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history). Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here. It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example. Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough? Maru is like #4 to my eyes, soO in comparison would have one SSL and one OSL "upgraded" to Code S and WESG improved to IEM World Championship, with less placements. So "Champion soO" would definitely be a GOAT contender to my eyes but I wouldn't be so sure of him being uncontested #1 as you are suggesting; with BlizzCon as well, I guess he would be. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote: On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote ![]() At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno. I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead. You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right? He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history). Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here. It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example. Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough? I must ask if you are seriously asking him this question, so, do you? (when 4 Code S titles in a row against the toughest competition in the KeSPA era isn't enough) | ||
Moonerz
United States442 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:39 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote: On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote: On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote ![]() At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno. I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead. You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right? He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history). Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here. It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example. Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough? I must ask if you are seriously asking him this question, so, do you? (when 4 Code S titles in a row against the toughest competition in the KeSPA era isn't enough) Even in this hypothetical soO wouldn't have won a WCS NA/EU. So how good is he really? | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 25 2019 02:25 Moonerz wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2019 20:39 deacon.frost wrote: On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote: On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote: On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote ![]() At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno. I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead. You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right? He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history). Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here. It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example. Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough? I must ask if you are seriously asking him this question, so, do you? (when 4 Code S titles in a row against the toughest competition in the KeSPA era isn't enough) Even in this hypothetical soO wouldn't have won a WCS NA/EU. So how good is he really? Nice joke, it genuinely made me smile; it's not only about how good he would be, but who is he compared to. Winning a critical mass of Code S and becoming the most accomplished player in GSL doesn't make you sc2 GOAT by itself. | ||
renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
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TheAnarchy
Chile1105 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 25 2019 04:06 renaissanceMAN wrote: MVP > MARU CMON DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOUR TERRAN HISTORY? Stuchiu would curse them all. It's due to recency bias in favor of Maru, anti pre KeSpa bias against Mvp and the fact that people think four consecutive Code S by itself would propel anyone to GOAT status, let alone one already fairly accomplished player. | ||
MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On July 25 2019 02:25 Moonerz wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2019 20:39 deacon.frost wrote: On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote: On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote: On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote: On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote: soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote ![]() At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno. I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead. You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right? He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history). Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here. It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example. Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough? I must ask if you are seriously asking him this question, so, do you? (when 4 Code S titles in a row against the toughest competition in the KeSPA era isn't enough) Even in this hypothetical soO wouldn't have won a WCS NA/EU. So how good is he really? LOL nice one | ||
burnturn
United States59 Posts
On July 25 2019 06:38 Xain0n wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2019 04:06 renaissanceMAN wrote: MVP > MARU CMON DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOUR TERRAN HISTORY? Stuchiu would curse them all. It's due to recency bias in favor of Maru, anti KeSpa bias against Mvp and the fact that people think four consecutive Code S by itself would propel anyone to GOAT status, let alone one already fairly accomplished player. Doesn't matter cause we all know that INnoVation was gonna win regardless. | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 25 2019 07:02 burnturn wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2019 06:38 Xain0n wrote: On July 25 2019 04:06 renaissanceMAN wrote: MVP > MARU CMON DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOUR TERRAN HISTORY? Stuchiu would curse them all. It's due to recency bias in favor of Maru, anti KeSpa bias against Mvp and the fact that people think four consecutive Code S by itself would propel anyone to GOAT status, let alone one already fairly accomplished player. Doesn't matter cause we all know that INnoVation was gonna win regardless. Hm, I'm not sure anymore, people really love Maru. | ||
Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On July 25 2019 06:38 Xain0n wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2019 04:06 renaissanceMAN wrote: MVP > MARU CMON DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOUR TERRAN HISTORY? Stuchiu would curse them all. It's due to recency bias in favor of Maru, anti KeSpa bias against Mvp and the fact that people think four consecutive Code S by itself would propel anyone to GOAT status, let alone one already fairly accomplished player. Mvp won 9 tournaments to Maru's 7 but the difference is that Maru mostly won starleagues while Mvp won a lot of international tournaments. If you take out the 3 GSLs they won, Mvp has a GSL World Championship, Blizzcon invitational, MLG, WCG, IEM and WCS Europe. I don't think that beats GSL, SSL, OSL and WESG, especially since Blizzcon invitational cannot really be compared to other Blizzcons because the prize pool was a lot smaller and there were only 3 Koreans I think. | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 25 2019 07:19 Anc13nt wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2019 06:38 Xain0n wrote: On July 25 2019 04:06 renaissanceMAN wrote: MVP > MARU CMON DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOUR TERRAN HISTORY? Stuchiu would curse them all. It's due to recency bias in favor of Maru, anti KeSpa bias against Mvp and the fact that people think four consecutive Code S by itself would propel anyone to GOAT status, let alone one already fairly accomplished player. Mvp won 9 tournaments to Maru's 7 but the difference is that Maru mostly won starleagues while Mvp won a lot of international tournaments. If you take out the 3 GSLs they won, Mvp has a GSL World Championship, Blizzcon invitational, MLG, WCG, IEM and WCS Europe. I don't think that beats GSL, SSL, OSL and WESG, especially since Blizzcon invitational cannot really be compared to other Blizzcons because the prize pool was a lot smaller and there were only 3 Koreans I think. This tells me Mvp was a well rounded player who won every kind of tournament everywhere and racked up an impressive amount of victories in the short timespan when he could play properly(actually, well after that possibility ended); he was the undisputed king of WoL and the uncontested best player in the world without any doubt. Maru, on the other hand, does not have enough international success to be the GOAT; absurdly skilled, the best player ever when it comes to preparational tournaments but ultimately kind of monodimensional. Not to mention his monstrous 2018 was someway eclipsed by Serral's triumphs. | ||
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