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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 24 2019 00:32 GMT
#301
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-24 00:41:28
July 24 2019 00:38 GMT
#302
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote:
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would


soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno.

I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
July 24 2019 02:48 GMT
#303
On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote:
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would


soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno.

I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead.

You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right?
He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history).
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-24 03:53:34
July 24 2019 03:51 GMT
#304
Here are the penultimate polls

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Poll: Who is the greatest player

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☐ Maru
☐ Mvp



Placement matches

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☐ Nestea
☐ Stats



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☐ TaeJa
☐ Zest



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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 24 2019 09:04 GMT
#305
On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote:
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would


soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno.

I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead.

You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right?
He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history).


Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here.
It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
July 24 2019 09:56 GMT
#306
On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote:
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would


soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno.

I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead.

You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right?
He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history).


Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here.
It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example.

Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 24 2019 10:51 GMT
#307
On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote:
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would


soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno.

I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead.

You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right?
He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history).


Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here.
It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example.

Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough?

According to my criteria, soO wouldn't even be close
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
July 24 2019 10:58 GMT
#308
On July 24 2019 19:51 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote:
On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote:
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would


soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno.

I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead.

You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right?
He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history).


Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here.
It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example.

Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough?

According to my criteria, soO wouldn't even be close

His accomplishments as Terran are pretty lacking.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-24 13:37:41
July 24 2019 11:17 GMT
#309
On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote:
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would


soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno.

I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead.

You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right?
He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history).


Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here.
It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example.

Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough?


Maru is like #4 to my eyes, soO in comparison would have one SSL and one OSL "upgraded" to Code S and WESG improved to IEM World Championship, with less placements. So "Champion soO" would definitely be a GOAT contender to my eyes but I wouldn't be so sure of him being uncontested #1 as you are suggesting; with BlizzCon as well, I guess he would be.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-24 11:49:55
July 24 2019 11:39 GMT
#310
On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote:
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would


soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno.

I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead.

You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right?
He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history).


Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here.
It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example.

Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough?

I must ask if you are seriously asking him this question, so, do you?

(when 4 Code S titles in a row against the toughest competition in the KeSPA era isn't enough)
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States444 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-24 17:25:55
July 24 2019 17:25 GMT
#311
On July 24 2019 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote:
On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote:
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would


soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno.

I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead.

You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right?
He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history).


Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here.
It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example.

Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough?

I must ask if you are seriously asking him this question, so, do you?

(when 4 Code S titles in a row against the toughest competition in the KeSPA era isn't enough)


Even in this hypothetical soO wouldn't have won a WCS NA/EU. So how good is he really?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 24 2019 17:34 GMT
#312
On July 25 2019 02:25 Moonerz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote:
On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote:
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would


soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno.

I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead.

You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right?
He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history).


Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here.
It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example.

Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough?

I must ask if you are seriously asking him this question, so, do you?

(when 4 Code S titles in a row against the toughest competition in the KeSPA era isn't enough)


Even in this hypothetical soO wouldn't have won a WCS NA/EU. So how good is he really?


Nice joke, it genuinely made me smile; it's not only about how good he would be, but who is he compared to.

Winning a critical mass of Code S and becoming the most accomplished player in GSL doesn't make you sc2 GOAT by itself.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
July 24 2019 19:06 GMT
#313
MVP > MARU CMON DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOUR TERRAN HISTORY?
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TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-24 20:20:04
July 24 2019 20:19 GMT
#314
Cant belive people is voting Maru. Players who started playing SC1 after 1999 shoudnt be aloud to vote.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-25 10:51:53
July 24 2019 21:38 GMT
#315
On July 25 2019 04:06 renaissanceMAN wrote:
MVP > MARU CMON DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOUR TERRAN HISTORY?


Stuchiu would curse them all.
It's due to recency bias in favor of Maru, anti pre KeSpa bias against Mvp and the fact that people think four consecutive Code S by itself would propel anyone to GOAT status, let alone one already fairly accomplished player.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 24 2019 21:51 GMT
#316
On July 25 2019 02:25 Moonerz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2019 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 24 2019 18:56 Elentos wrote:
On July 24 2019 18:04 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 11:48 DBooN wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:38 Xain0n wrote:
On July 24 2019 09:32 Fango wrote:
soO didn't deserve only 17% of the vote he'll have to settle for best zerg even though he was only a handful of games off being everone's undisputed #1

At least Zest didn't go as underrated as I thought he would


soO wouldn't have been everyone's undisputed #1 Zerg anyway(we all know who he is); also, 17% seems fair for him against Inno.

I expected Zest to win with a wider margin instead.

You realize he was talking about 4-8 games in particular, right?
He absolutely would've been (though that also would've been a big change to make to history).


Hm, no, I partly misunderstood what Fango meant, here.
It's more like soO is a dozen than a handful of games away being GOAT assuming he would have won all of his GSL finals and BlizzCon; without the latter, soO would have been more or less like Maru is now: a GOAT contender, venerated by those who hold Code S in especially high regards. He wouldn't be my undisputed #1, for example.

Really? With 6 GSL titles, taking one away from INno in the process, it still wouldn't be enough?

I must ask if you are seriously asking him this question, so, do you?

(when 4 Code S titles in a row against the toughest competition in the KeSPA era isn't enough)


Even in this hypothetical soO wouldn't have won a WCS NA/EU. So how good is he really?


LOL nice one
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
burnturn
Profile Joined December 2015
United States59 Posts
July 24 2019 22:02 GMT
#317
On July 25 2019 06:38 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 04:06 renaissanceMAN wrote:
MVP > MARU CMON DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOUR TERRAN HISTORY?


Stuchiu would curse them all.
It's due to recency bias in favor of Maru, anti KeSpa bias against Mvp and the fact that people think four consecutive Code S by itself would propel anyone to GOAT status, let alone one already fairly accomplished player.


Doesn't matter cause we all know that INnoVation was gonna win regardless.
sOs is best
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 24 2019 22:04 GMT
#318
On July 25 2019 07:02 burnturn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 06:38 Xain0n wrote:
On July 25 2019 04:06 renaissanceMAN wrote:
MVP > MARU CMON DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOUR TERRAN HISTORY?


Stuchiu would curse them all.
It's due to recency bias in favor of Maru, anti KeSpa bias against Mvp and the fact that people think four consecutive Code S by itself would propel anyone to GOAT status, let alone one already fairly accomplished player.


Doesn't matter cause we all know that INnoVation was gonna win regardless.


Hm, I'm not sure anymore, people really love Maru.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
July 24 2019 22:19 GMT
#319
On July 25 2019 06:38 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 04:06 renaissanceMAN wrote:
MVP > MARU CMON DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOUR TERRAN HISTORY?


Stuchiu would curse them all.
It's due to recency bias in favor of Maru, anti KeSpa bias against Mvp and the fact that people think four consecutive Code S by itself would propel anyone to GOAT status, let alone one already fairly accomplished player.


Mvp won 9 tournaments to Maru's 7 but the difference is that Maru mostly won starleagues while Mvp won a lot of international tournaments. If you take out the 3 GSLs they won, Mvp has a GSL World Championship, Blizzcon invitational, MLG, WCG, IEM and WCS Europe. I don't think that beats GSL, SSL, OSL and WESG, especially since Blizzcon invitational cannot really be compared to other Blizzcons because the prize pool was a lot smaller and there were only 3 Koreans I think.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-24 23:30:00
July 24 2019 22:28 GMT
#320
On July 25 2019 07:19 Anc13nt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 06:38 Xain0n wrote:
On July 25 2019 04:06 renaissanceMAN wrote:
MVP > MARU CMON DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW YOUR TERRAN HISTORY?


Stuchiu would curse them all.
It's due to recency bias in favor of Maru, anti KeSpa bias against Mvp and the fact that people think four consecutive Code S by itself would propel anyone to GOAT status, let alone one already fairly accomplished player.


Mvp won 9 tournaments to Maru's 7 but the difference is that Maru mostly won starleagues while Mvp won a lot of international tournaments. If you take out the 3 GSLs they won, Mvp has a GSL World Championship, Blizzcon invitational, MLG, WCG, IEM and WCS Europe. I don't think that beats GSL, SSL, OSL and WESG, especially since Blizzcon invitational cannot really be compared to other Blizzcons because the prize pool was a lot smaller and there were only 3 Koreans I think.


This tells me Mvp was a well rounded player who won every kind of tournament everywhere and racked up an impressive amount of victories in the short timespan when he could play properly(actually, well after that possibility ended); he was the undisputed king of WoL and the uncontested best player in the world without any doubt.

Maru, on the other hand, does not have enough international success to be the GOAT; absurdly skilled, the best player ever when it comes to preparational tournaments but ultimately kind of monodimensional.
Not to mention his monstrous 2018 was someway eclipsed by Serral's triumphs.
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