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On July 19 2019 17:53 batatm wrote:
we need this post on the front page of TL in some form or another. it's rather hard finding it at this point.
If you click on it @ the tourneys secion it's usually very easy to find. And if you know it's there and it's not amongst the top 5, it's one click more.
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Canada8989 Posts
On July 19 2019 18:52 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 17:53 batatm wrote:
we need this post on the front page of TL in some form or another. it's rather hard finding it at this point. If you click on it @ the tourneys secion it's usually very easy to find. And if you know it's there and it's not amongst the top 5, it's one click more.
Making this thing made me realize most people use TL very differently than I do, the tournament and general section is always the first thing I look at, and I almost never look at the featured or community news, but vote amount triple when I made a new thread that was feature on community news.
Anyhow if someone want to put this on reddit they would be an angel I know someone did it last week, never bad to bring more trafic to tl
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On July 19 2019 19:20 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 18:52 HolydaKing wrote:On July 19 2019 17:53 batatm wrote:
we need this post on the front page of TL in some form or another. it's rather hard finding it at this point. If you click on it @ the tourneys secion it's usually very easy to find. And if you know it's there and it's not amongst the top 5, it's one click more. Making this thing made me realize most people use TL very differently than I do, the tournament and general section is always the first thing I look at, and I almost never look at the featured or community news, but vote amount triple when I made a new thread that was feature on community news. Anyhow if someone want to put this on reddit they would be an angel I know someone did it last week, never bad to bring more trafic to tl
I don't understand the problem. Subscribe to the thread and you will always have it handy. I don't even often look at the sidebar. I navigate straight to my subscribed threads. The sidebar (and other sections of TL) is only for finding new threads to subscribe to.
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So now I think we get to the tough part where all three of the terran players will be very close to one another in poll results. Whenever this kind of discussion has happened in the past, it's been very close, so will be interesting to see the final order.
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Canada8989 Posts
On July 19 2019 19:27 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 19:20 Nakajin wrote:On July 19 2019 18:52 HolydaKing wrote:On July 19 2019 17:53 batatm wrote:
we need this post on the front page of TL in some form or another. it's rather hard finding it at this point. If you click on it @ the tourneys secion it's usually very easy to find. And if you know it's there and it's not amongst the top 5, it's one click more. Making this thing made me realize most people use TL very differently than I do, the tournament and general section is always the first thing I look at, and I almost never look at the featured or community news, but vote amount triple when I made a new thread that was feature on community news. Anyhow if someone want to put this on reddit they would be an angel I know someone did it last week, never bad to bring more trafic to tl I don't understand the problem. Subscribe to the thread and you will always have it handy. I don't even often look at the sidebar. I navigate straight to my subscribed threads. The sidebar (and other sections of TL) is only for finding new threads to subscribe to.
Wait you can subscribe to thread?
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On July 19 2019 19:30 Yonnua wrote:
So now I think we get to the tough part where all three of the terran players will be very close to one another in poll results. Whenever this kind of discussion has happened in the past, it's been very close, so will be interesting to see the final order.
soO GOAT, of course 
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On July 19 2019 19:36 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 19:27 Acrofales wrote:On July 19 2019 19:20 Nakajin wrote:On July 19 2019 18:52 HolydaKing wrote:On July 19 2019 17:53 batatm wrote:
we need this post on the front page of TL in some form or another. it's rather hard finding it at this point. If you click on it @ the tourneys secion it's usually very easy to find. And if you know it's there and it's not amongst the top 5, it's one click more. Making this thing made me realize most people use TL very differently than I do, the tournament and general section is always the first thing I look at, and I almost never look at the featured or community news, but vote amount triple when I made a new thread that was feature on community news. Anyhow if someone want to put this on reddit they would be an angel I know someone did it last week, never bad to bring more trafic to tl I don't understand the problem. Subscribe to the thread and you will always have it handy. I don't even often look at the sidebar. I navigate straight to my subscribed threads. The sidebar (and other sections of TL) is only for finding new threads to subscribe to. Wait you can subscribe to thread?
Yes... lol. There's a button at the bottom to subscribe/unsubscribe. Then the button next to your inbox (the little folder icon) takes you to all your subscribed threads (you can also navigate to show your quoted posts from that same button). You also subscribe automatically to all your own threads and any thread you post in.
Best part is that it tracks the last post you saw, and it tells you how many are new, and gives you a button to skip straight to the first unseen post.
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Canada8989 Posts
On July 19 2019 19:39 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 19:36 Nakajin wrote:On July 19 2019 19:27 Acrofales wrote:On July 19 2019 19:20 Nakajin wrote:On July 19 2019 18:52 HolydaKing wrote:On July 19 2019 17:53 batatm wrote:
we need this post on the front page of TL in some form or another. it's rather hard finding it at this point. If you click on it @ the tourneys secion it's usually very easy to find. And if you know it's there and it's not amongst the top 5, it's one click more. Making this thing made me realize most people use TL very differently than I do, the tournament and general section is always the first thing I look at, and I almost never look at the featured or community news, but vote amount triple when I made a new thread that was feature on community news. Anyhow if someone want to put this on reddit they would be an angel I know someone did it last week, never bad to bring more trafic to tl I don't understand the problem. Subscribe to the thread and you will always have it handy. I don't even often look at the sidebar. I navigate straight to my subscribed threads. The sidebar (and other sections of TL) is only for finding new threads to subscribe to. Wait you can subscribe to thread? Yes... lol. There's a button at the bottom to subscribe/unsubscribe. Then the button next to your inbox (the little folder icon) takes you to all your subscribed threads (you can also navigate to show your quoted posts from that same button). You also subscribe automatically to all your own threads and any thread you post in. Best part is that it tracks the last post you saw, and it tells you how many are new, and gives you a button to skip straight to the first unseen post.
Oh yeah, that's pretty nice
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On July 19 2019 19:36 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 19:30 Yonnua wrote:
So now I think we get to the tough part where all three of the terran players will be very close to one another in poll results. Whenever this kind of discussion has happened in the past, it's been very close, so will be interesting to see the final order. soO GOAT, of course
I voted for soO, but only for the meme value that could have been generated if he lost this in the finals and placed second.
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Bisutopia19307 Posts
Zest's ability to destroy the hearts of SKT fans puts him above Stats even though I cheer against him vehemently because of that.
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On July 19 2019 22:47 BisuDagger wrote:
Zest's ability to destroy the hearts of SKT fans puts him above Stats even though I cheer against him vehemently because of that.
Eh, it's a very hard decision; the only thing we can say against Stats is that he performs terribly online.
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Zest is really underrated here. He certainly had a better streak of dominance than Stats. He was the best player of 2014 (winning three korean cups puts him tied with Mvp, INno, and Maru for most in one year). He was also the best player for a portion of 2016, having the most dominant GSL run since NesTea. And he won over two different expansions (Stats was underrated in 2015 but didn't exactly win GSLs).
Stats has never been the best player in the world, or had a similar streak of dominance. I guess his streak from late 2016-2017 was great, but he was consistently #2 or #3.
I don't think anyone's gonna say that Zest didn't have the highest peak of any protoss. He owned PvP and PvZ in HotS, as well as PvT in early LotV. Plus he's is the absolute GOAT in PvP and I don't think there's any argument against that. It's pretty rare for one player to be undisputed as the best in a particular matchup.
Stats has been more consistant (always a contender from 2015-2019), but I do think recency bias is a factor here.
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On July 20 2019 00:20 Fango wrote:
Zest is really underrated here. He certainly had a better streak of dominance than Stats. He was the best player of 2014 (winning three korean cups puts him tied with Mvp, INno, and Maru for most in one year). He was also the best player for a portion of 2016, having the most dominant GSL run since NesTea. And he won over two different expansions (Stats was underrated in 2015 but didn't exactly win GSLs).
Stats has never been the best player in the world, or had a similar streak of dominance. I guess his streak from late 2016-2017 was great, but he was consistently #2 or #3.
I don't think anyone's gonna say that Zest didn't have the highest peak of any protoss. He owned PvP and PvZ in HotS, as well as PvT in early LotV. Plus he's is the absolute GOAT in PvP and I don't think there's any argument against that. It's pretty rare for one player to be undisputed as the best in a particular matchup.
Stats has been more consistant (always a contender from 2015-2019), but I do think recency bias is a factor here.
Just ignore the fact he won two starleagues in 2017
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On July 20 2019 00:33 Z3nith wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2019 00:20 Fango wrote:
Zest is really underrated here. He certainly had a better streak of dominance than Stats. He was the best player of 2014 (winning three korean cups puts him tied with Mvp, INno, and Maru for most in one year). He was also the best player for a portion of 2016, having the most dominant GSL run since NesTea. And he won over two different expansions (Stats was underrated in 2015 but didn't exactly win GSLs).
Stats has never been the best player in the world, or had a similar streak of dominance. I guess his streak from late 2016-2017 was great, but he was consistently #2 or #3.
I don't think anyone's gonna say that Zest didn't have the highest peak of any protoss. He owned PvP and PvZ in HotS, as well as PvT in early LotV. Plus he's is the absolute GOAT in PvP and I don't think there's any argument against that. It's pretty rare for one player to be undisputed as the best in a particular matchup.
Stats has been more consistant (always a contender from 2015-2019), but I do think recency bias is a factor here. Just ignore the fact he won two starleagues in 2017
And he still wasn't the best player when he won either of them. I don't remember anyone ranking Stats higher than INno (who also won two) or Rogue (who won like four premier events in a row).
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On July 20 2019 01:08 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2019 00:33 Z3nith wrote:On July 20 2019 00:20 Fango wrote:
Zest is really underrated here. He certainly had a better streak of dominance than Stats. He was the best player of 2014 (winning three korean cups puts him tied with Mvp, INno, and Maru for most in one year). He was also the best player for a portion of 2016, having the most dominant GSL run since NesTea. And he won over two different expansions (Stats was underrated in 2015 but didn't exactly win GSLs).
Stats has never been the best player in the world, or had a similar streak of dominance. I guess his streak from late 2016-2017 was great, but he was consistently #2 or #3.
I don't think anyone's gonna say that Zest didn't have the highest peak of any protoss. He owned PvP and PvZ in HotS, as well as PvT in early LotV. Plus he's is the absolute GOAT in PvP and I don't think there's any argument against that. It's pretty rare for one player to be undisputed as the best in a particular matchup.
Stats has been more consistant (always a contender from 2015-2019), but I do think recency bias is a factor here. Just ignore the fact he won two starleagues in 2017 And he still wasn't the best player when he won either of them. I don't remember anyone ranking Stats higher than INno (who also won two) or Rogue (who won like four premier events in a row).
He was absolutely the best player when he won GSL. He'd made the finals of each of three of the four premier tournaments of that season so far in IEM Katowice, Gyeonggi and then GSL.
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Zest definitely had higher peaks than Stats, but he also had way more dissapointments between his relatively short peaks.
Stats may not have been the best player in the world at any point in his career but he has been the best player of his race for like 80% of the current expansion, including some of the darkest hours of Protoss when the likes of Zest, Classic or sOs completely dissapeared. Consistency, even at the highest level is an often overlooked virtue, so I'm gonna give Stats the edge here.
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On July 20 2019 01:47 Z3nith wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2019 01:08 Fango wrote:On July 20 2019 00:33 Z3nith wrote:On July 20 2019 00:20 Fango wrote:
Zest is really underrated here. He certainly had a better streak of dominance than Stats. He was the best player of 2014 (winning three korean cups puts him tied with Mvp, INno, and Maru for most in one year). He was also the best player for a portion of 2016, having the most dominant GSL run since NesTea. And he won over two different expansions (Stats was underrated in 2015 but didn't exactly win GSLs).
Stats has never been the best player in the world, or had a similar streak of dominance. I guess his streak from late 2016-2017 was great, but he was consistently #2 or #3.
I don't think anyone's gonna say that Zest didn't have the highest peak of any protoss. He owned PvP and PvZ in HotS, as well as PvT in early LotV. Plus he's is the absolute GOAT in PvP and I don't think there's any argument against that. It's pretty rare for one player to be undisputed as the best in a particular matchup.
Stats has been more consistant (always a contender from 2015-2019), but I do think recency bias is a factor here. Just ignore the fact he won two starleagues in 2017 And he still wasn't the best player when he won either of them. I don't remember anyone ranking Stats higher than INno (who also won two) or Rogue (who won like four premier events in a row). He was absolutely the best player when he won GSL. He'd made the finals of each of three of the four premier tournaments of that season so far in IEM Katowice, Gyeonggi and then GSL.
Honestly INno > Stats around that time. If Stats had won either of the IEM finals maybe.
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yeah Stats and Dark are on track to qualifying for 4 Blizzcon in a row (and I would argue it's harder to make Blizzcon in LotV even if you believe the competition is weaker since there are only 8 Korean spots). It's hard to think of players as consistent as them.
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On July 20 2019 04:47 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2019 01:47 Z3nith wrote:On July 20 2019 01:08 Fango wrote:On July 20 2019 00:33 Z3nith wrote:On July 20 2019 00:20 Fango wrote:
Zest is really underrated here. He certainly had a better streak of dominance than Stats. He was the best player of 2014 (winning three korean cups puts him tied with Mvp, INno, and Maru for most in one year). He was also the best player for a portion of 2016, having the most dominant GSL run since NesTea. And he won over two different expansions (Stats was underrated in 2015 but didn't exactly win GSLs).
Stats has never been the best player in the world, or had a similar streak of dominance. I guess his streak from late 2016-2017 was great, but he was consistently #2 or #3.
I don't think anyone's gonna say that Zest didn't have the highest peak of any protoss. He owned PvP and PvZ in HotS, as well as PvT in early LotV. Plus he's is the absolute GOAT in PvP and I don't think there's any argument against that. It's pretty rare for one player to be undisputed as the best in a particular matchup.
Stats has been more consistant (always a contender from 2015-2019), but I do think recency bias is a factor here. Just ignore the fact he won two starleagues in 2017 And he still wasn't the best player when he won either of them. I don't remember anyone ranking Stats higher than INno (who also won two) or Rogue (who won like four premier events in a row). He was absolutely the best player when he won GSL. He'd made the finals of each of three of the four premier tournaments of that season so far in IEM Katowice, Gyeonggi and then GSL. Honestly INno > Stats around that time. If Stats had won either of the IEM finals maybe.
He really wasn't - he was eliminated in the ro8 of both Katowice and GSL.
2nd - 2nd - 1st is a better record then 1st - ro8 - ro8 no matter how you look at it.
But yeah Zest > Stats but they are very close.
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On July 20 2019 17:14 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2019 04:47 Fango wrote:On July 20 2019 01:47 Z3nith wrote:On July 20 2019 01:08 Fango wrote:On July 20 2019 00:33 Z3nith wrote:On July 20 2019 00:20 Fango wrote:
Zest is really underrated here. He certainly had a better streak of dominance than Stats. He was the best player of 2014 (winning three korean cups puts him tied with Mvp, INno, and Maru for most in one year). He was also the best player for a portion of 2016, having the most dominant GSL run since NesTea. And he won over two different expansions (Stats was underrated in 2015 but didn't exactly win GSLs).
Stats has never been the best player in the world, or had a similar streak of dominance. I guess his streak from late 2016-2017 was great, but he was consistently #2 or #3.
I don't think anyone's gonna say that Zest didn't have the highest peak of any protoss. He owned PvP and PvZ in HotS, as well as PvT in early LotV. Plus he's is the absolute GOAT in PvP and I don't think there's any argument against that. It's pretty rare for one player to be undisputed as the best in a particular matchup.
Stats has been more consistant (always a contender from 2015-2019), but I do think recency bias is a factor here. Just ignore the fact he won two starleagues in 2017 And he still wasn't the best player when he won either of them. I don't remember anyone ranking Stats higher than INno (who also won two) or Rogue (who won like four premier events in a row). He was absolutely the best player when he won GSL. He'd made the finals of each of three of the four premier tournaments of that season so far in IEM Katowice, Gyeonggi and then GSL. Honestly INno > Stats around that time. If Stats had won either of the IEM finals maybe. He really wasn't - he was eliminated in the ro8 of both Katowice and GSL. 2nd - 2nd - 1st is a better record then 1st - ro8 - ro8 no matter how you look at it. But yeah Zest > Stats but they are very close.
INno won SSL right after as well, and generally looked like the best player in most events around that time. Plus he personally 4-0'd Stats in the IEM final, that's pretty big if you ask me.
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