On November 04 2018 20:11 opisska wrote: I would never think I will see a day when "koreaboo" and "koreaphile" will be thrown on TL as insults. Are you out of you collective fucking minds? Koreans have dominated the game for 9 years. Foreigners got always shat on in GSL, no matter how "great" they were while harvesting easy money in the rest of the world. Now we have multiple people crafting excuses why GSL suddenly isn't the ultimate tournament just to fit their narrative? Cmon, that is just pathetic.
Even more pathetic is trying to downplay the preparation. The difference between knowing the exact opponent for weeks and having a 16man bracket and then a week (outside home!) for another 8man is day and night. Again, this is not a "theory", this is observable for years and years as the difference between performance in GSL and elsewhere for many players (in both directions).
Serral is a great player, the best foreigner we ever had by miles. It is honestly not really his fault that the reality of the world is as it is, but he can't be "the greatest" if he doesn't play in GSL. And it is even not a fault if he doesn't go there, it's just a rational choice
I think it's fair to say that he's the best player currently but he's definitely not player of the year or GOAT/Bonjwa (though I don't think anyone says that seriously?) Winning 2 weekenders in a row doesn't come close to winning 3 GSLs in a row. If he would be korean absolutely nobody would call him player of the year.
Yep, I called this a month ago, Serral won Blizzcon and you re still hating and doing the mental gymnastics to try and discredit him. Blizzcon is a weekend tournament now, is it?
Well, to counter-balance your load of bullshit, I would just like to highlight that GSL is a 2nd tier tournament, since it s clearly not the highest level of competition, proven by the fact that the best player isnt participating in it. Let s just call it a series of stretched out best of 3s and best of 5s, where some of the better players are preparing 2 weeks to snipe each other with map-specific bullshit builds, clearly not a good test of true skill. + Show Spoiler +
(since this is the internet i feel like i have to give the disclaimer that this was satire)
Sorry that I'm trying to put some reason into your blind Serral fanboyism but it is just how it is. Rogue won 3 tournaments in a row last year and most people still viewed Innovation as the player of the year. What Serral has done multiple players have done before except for the fact that he's non-korean. What Maru has done is completely unprecedented. If Serral would be korean nobody would be calling him player of the year - that's a fact. Calling me a hater doesn't change that.
On November 04 2018 20:19 Kikirik1 wrote: Serral is absolute best, but he still can prove himself vs korean terans, vs best ZvZ player Soo, and why not vs Neeb who have best PvZ right now.
I would honestly doubt that Neeb's PvZ is better than Stats' PvZ.
But I defnitely want to see more Serral vs Korean Terrans and let's just see and wait which Koreans will be at HSC. Inno is announced at the very least.
On November 04 2018 20:11 opisska wrote: I would never think I will see a day when "koreaboo" and "koreaphile" will be thrown on TL as insults. Are you out of you collective fucking minds? Koreans have dominated the game for 9 years. Foreigners got always shat on in GSL, no matter how "great" they were while harvesting easy money in the rest of the world. Now we have multiple people crafting excuses why GSL suddenly isn't the ultimate tournament just to fit their narrative? Cmon, that is just pathetic.
Even more pathetic is trying to downplay the preparation. The difference between knowing the exact opponent for weeks and having a 16man bracket and then a week (outside home!) for another 8man is day and night. Again, this is not a "theory", this is observable for years and years as the difference between performance in GSL and elsewhere for many players (in both directions).
Serral is a great player, the best foreigner we ever had by miles. It is honestly not really his fault that the reality of the world is as it is, but he can't be "the greatest" if he doesn't play in GSL. And it is even not a fault if he doesn't go there, it's just a rational choice
I think it's fair to say that he's the best player currently but he's definitely not player of the year or GOAT/Bonjwa (though I don't think anyone says that seriously?) Winning 2 weekenders in a row doesn't come close to winning 3 GSLs in a row. If he would be korean absolutely nobody would call him player of the year.
Yep, I called this a month ago, Serral won Blizzcon and you re still hating and doing the mental gymnastics to try and discredit him. Blizzcon is a weekend tournament now, is it?
Well, to counter-balance your load of bullshit, I would just like to highlight that GSL is a 2nd tier tournament, since it s clearly not the highest level of competition, proven by the fact that the best player isnt participating in it. Let s just call it a series of stretched out best of 3s and best of 5s, where some of the better players are preparing 2 weeks to snipe each other with map-specific bullshit builds, clearly not a good test of true skill. + Show Spoiler +
(since this is the internet i feel like i have to give the disclaimer that this was satire)
Sorry that I'm trying to put some reason into your blind Serral fanboyism but it is just how it is. Rogue won 3 tournaments in a row last year and most people still viewed Innovation as the player of the year. What Serral has done multiple players have done before except for the fact that he's non-korean. What Maru has done is completely unprecedented. If Serral would be korean nobody would be calling him player of the year - that's a fact. Calling me a hater doesn't change that.
On November 04 2018 20:35 Makro wrote: TL never change, countless arguing over semantic after each major win of any player (specially a non korean one)
It just annoys me that Maru has done what has never been done before and suddenly it's meaningless because of foreign hype
Serral won, this year: WCS Leipzig, Austin, Valencia, Montreal, GSL vs the World (and in the team format he beat Maru btw), and finally won Blizzcon. We're talking 6 premier tournament wins in 1 year here.
He beat so many Koreans in GSL vs the World and Blizzcon, making them look easy (except Stats). He is, absolutely, 100%, without a doubt, the best player in the world right now. Maru is second, and I say this is a Terran player.
On November 04 2018 20:11 opisska wrote: I would never think I will see a day when "koreaboo" and "koreaphile" will be thrown on TL as insults. Are you out of you collective fucking minds? Koreans have dominated the game for 9 years. Foreigners got always shat on in GSL, no matter how "great" they were while harvesting easy money in the rest of the world. Now we have multiple people crafting excuses why GSL suddenly isn't the ultimate tournament just to fit their narrative? Cmon, that is just pathetic.
Even more pathetic is trying to downplay the preparation. The difference between knowing the exact opponent for weeks and having a 16man bracket and then a week (outside home!) for another 8man is day and night. Again, this is not a "theory", this is observable for years and years as the difference between performance in GSL and elsewhere for many players (in both directions).
Serral is a great player, the best foreigner we ever had by miles. It is honestly not really his fault that the reality of the world is as it is, but he can't be "the greatest" if he doesn't play in GSL. And it is even not a fault if he doesn't go there, it's just a rational choice
I think it's fair to say that he's the best player currently but he's definitely not player of the year or GOAT/Bonjwa (though I don't think anyone says that seriously?) Winning 2 weekenders in a row doesn't come close to winning 3 GSLs in a row. If he would be korean absolutely nobody would call him player of the year.
Yep, I called this a month ago, Serral won Blizzcon and you re still hating and doing the mental gymnastics to try and discredit him. Blizzcon is a weekend tournament now, is it?
Well, to counter-balance your load of bullshit, I would just like to highlight that GSL is a 2nd tier tournament, since it s clearly not the highest level of competition, proven by the fact that the best player isnt participating in it. Let s just call it a series of stretched out best of 3s and best of 5s, where some of the better players are preparing 2 weeks to snipe each other with map-specific bullshit builds, clearly not a good test of true skill. + Show Spoiler +
(since this is the internet i feel like i have to give the disclaimer that this was satire)
Sorry that I'm trying to put some reason into your blind Serral fanboyism but it is just how it is. Rogue won 3 tournaments in a row last year and most people still viewed Innovation as the player of the year. What Serral has done multiple players have done before except for the fact that he's non-korean. What Maru has done is completely unprecedented. If Serral would be korean nobody would be calling him player of the year - that's a fact. Calling me a hater doesn't change that.
Interesting, the use of "unprecedented". I cant think of anything Serral did this year, that would qualify as unprecedented....
"Arguing" with you is completely pointless you're 100% detached from reality, you dont care about facts, results and the games themselves. You announced prior to Blizzcon that even if Serral would win (which you doubted) it would mean nothing. So nobody should be surprised that you keep spouting this bullshit after Serral curve-stumped the Koreans (btw the only player to not face any foreigners in their run from the ro16).
Im just pointing out how you stick to your blindly held grudge against foreigners. Not sure if it stems from just a crazy amount of self-hatred that you project this way, or what exactly is the reason, i just really wanted to gloat. I was 100% right about predicting both Serral's wins and your reaction and mental gymnastics.
Now, you re not the only one, there are like 2 others at TL who do exactly this, but seen your comment here just now.
On November 04 2018 20:35 Makro wrote: TL never change, countless arguing over semantic after each major win of any player (specially a non korean one)
It just annoys me that Maru has done what has never been done before and suddenly it's meaningless because of foreign hype
You would agree though that Maru was winning a tournament that didn't have Serral (best player of 2018) in it to stop him right?
Also that Maru has a team house advantage over the others in that tournament at the moment, correct?
I just feel like if Maru wants to prove himself he needs to move to Finland to play against the best player in the world before we can call him second best player in the world ...
On November 04 2018 20:11 opisska wrote: I would never think I will see a day when "koreaboo" and "koreaphile" will be thrown on TL as insults. Are you out of you collective fucking minds? Koreans have dominated the game for 9 years. Foreigners got always shat on in GSL, no matter how "great" they were while harvesting easy money in the rest of the world. Now we have multiple people crafting excuses why GSL suddenly isn't the ultimate tournament just to fit their narrative? Cmon, that is just pathetic.
Even more pathetic is trying to downplay the preparation. The difference between knowing the exact opponent for weeks and having a 16man bracket and then a week (outside home!) for another 8man is day and night. Again, this is not a "theory", this is observable for years and years as the difference between performance in GSL and elsewhere for many players (in both directions).
Serral is a great player, the best foreigner we ever had by miles. It is honestly not really his fault that the reality of the world is as it is, but he can't be "the greatest" if he doesn't play in GSL. And it is even not a fault if he doesn't go there, it's just a rational choice
I think it's fair to say that he's the best player currently but he's definitely not player of the year or GOAT/Bonjwa (though I don't think anyone says that seriously?) Winning 2 weekenders in a row doesn't come close to winning 3 GSLs in a row. If he would be korean absolutely nobody would call him player of the year.
Yep, I called this a month ago, Serral won Blizzcon and you re still hating and doing the mental gymnastics to try and discredit him. Blizzcon is a weekend tournament now, is it?
Well, to counter-balance your load of bullshit, I would just like to highlight that GSL is a 2nd tier tournament, since it s clearly not the highest level of competition, proven by the fact that the best player isnt participating in it. Let s just call it a series of stretched out best of 3s and best of 5s, where some of the better players are preparing 2 weeks to snipe each other with map-specific bullshit builds, clearly not a good test of true skill. + Show Spoiler +
(since this is the internet i feel like i have to give the disclaimer that this was satire)
Sorry that I'm trying to put some reason into your blind Serral fanboyism but it is just how it is. Rogue won 3 tournaments in a row last year and most people still viewed Innovation as the player of the year. What Serral has done multiple players have done before except for the fact that he's non-korean. What Maru has done is completely unprecedented. If Serral would be korean nobody would be calling him player of the year - that's a fact. Calling me a hater doesn't change that.
Interesting, the use of "unprecedented". I cant think of anything Serral did this year, that would qualify as unprecedented....
"Arguing" with you is completely pointless you're 100% detached from reality, you dont care about facts, results and the games themselves. You announced prior to Blizzcon that even if Serral would win (which you doubted) it would mean nothing. So nobody should be surprised that you keep spouting this bullshit after Serral curve-stumped the Koreans (btw the only player to not face any foreigners in their run from the ro16).
Im just pointing out how you stick to your blindly held grudge against foreigners. Not sure if it stems from just a crazy amount of self-hatred that you project this way, or what exactly is the reason, i just really wanted to gloat. I was 100% right about predicting both Serral's wins and your reaction and mental gymnastics.
Now, you re not the only one, there are like 2 others at TL who do exactly this, but seen your comment here just now.
Okay I'm done with you - you have no arguments except calling everyone who disagree a hater. Also this
You announced prior to Blizzcon that even if Serral would win (which you doubted) it would mean nothing.
never happened and I said that Serral is definitely the best player in the world now but apparently you have to make up things for your narrative that everyone is a hater who doesn't think he's a bonjwa
On November 04 2018 20:11 opisska wrote: I would never think I will see a day when "koreaboo" and "koreaphile" will be thrown on TL as insults. Are you out of you collective fucking minds? Koreans have dominated the game for 9 years. Foreigners got always shat on in GSL, no matter how "great" they were while harvesting easy money in the rest of the world. Now we have multiple people crafting excuses why GSL suddenly isn't the ultimate tournament just to fit their narrative? Cmon, that is just pathetic.
Even more pathetic is trying to downplay the preparation. The difference between knowing the exact opponent for weeks and having a 16man bracket and then a week (outside home!) for another 8man is day and night. Again, this is not a "theory", this is observable for years and years as the difference between performance in GSL and elsewhere for many players (in both directions).
Serral is a great player, the best foreigner we ever had by miles. It is honestly not really his fault that the reality of the world is as it is, but he can't be "the greatest" if he doesn't play in GSL. And it is even not a fault if he doesn't go there, it's just a rational choice
I think it's fair to say that he's the best player currently but he's definitely not player of the year or GOAT/Bonjwa (though I don't think anyone says that seriously?) Winning 2 weekenders in a row doesn't come close to winning 3 GSLs in a row. If he would be korean absolutely nobody would call him player of the year.
Yep, I called this a month ago, Serral won Blizzcon and you re still hating and doing the mental gymnastics to try and discredit him. Blizzcon is a weekend tournament now, is it?
Well, to counter-balance your load of bullshit, I would just like to highlight that GSL is a 2nd tier tournament, since it s clearly not the highest level of competition, proven by the fact that the best player isnt participating in it. Let s just call it a series of stretched out best of 3s and best of 5s, where some of the better players are preparing 2 weeks to snipe each other with map-specific bullshit builds, clearly not a good test of true skill. + Show Spoiler +
(since this is the internet i feel like i have to give the disclaimer that this was satire)
Sorry that I'm trying to put some reason into your blind Serral fanboyism but it is just how it is. Rogue won 3 tournaments in a row last year and most people still viewed Innovation as the player of the year. What Serral has done multiple players have done before except for the fact that he's non-korean. What Maru has done is completely unprecedented. If Serral would be korean nobody would be calling him player of the year - that's a fact. Calling me a hater doesn't change that.
Rolf, so the player of the year is unable to build a second supply depot while executing a proxy build without the perfect condition of the gsl? :D He isn't even able to wall off properly (remember taipei), naaah let's give this title to the guy who wins a tournament without preparation and pre planned build/ reactions which make way easier and so, back up of his team which his opponent doesn't even have, "unprecedented' as you said as a blind fanboy
Could be easely argued that what soO did in 2014 is way harder considering the competitivity of the scene and gaming houses.
On November 04 2018 20:35 Makro wrote: TL never change, countless arguing over semantic after each major win of any player (specially a non korean one)
It just annoys me that Maru has done what has never been done before and suddenly it's meaningless because of foreign hype
koreans never lacked any hype, i would say quite the contrary
Having watched every single gsl since FD Vs hopetorture, I honestly feel that weekenders are both harder to win, and more entertaining to watch.
I like players making adjustments on the fly rather than going through their book of map specific builds. I also respect players who can perform in various playing conditions more.
Serral seems to be good, the only thing that bugs me is the fact he is Zerg, always Foreing zerg players are able to get somewhere... is like its easier to archive something at high levels with that race tho,
Serral won because he didnt face maru lets be clear on that. on top of that i dont thing korean players are at their peak anymore.
On November 04 2018 20:11 opisska wrote: I would never think I will see a day when "koreaboo" and "koreaphile" will be thrown on TL as insults. Are you out of you collective fucking minds? Koreans have dominated the game for 9 years. Foreigners got always shat on in GSL, no matter how "great" they were while harvesting easy money in the rest of the world. Now we have multiple people crafting excuses why GSL suddenly isn't the ultimate tournament just to fit their narrative? Cmon, that is just pathetic.
Even more pathetic is trying to downplay the preparation. The difference between knowing the exact opponent for weeks and having a 16man bracket and then a week (outside home!) for another 8man is day and night. Again, this is not a "theory", this is observable for years and years as the difference between performance in GSL and elsewhere for many players (in both directions).
Serral is a great player, the best foreigner we ever had by miles. It is honestly not really his fault that the reality of the world is as it is, but he can't be "the greatest" if he doesn't play in GSL. And it is even not a fault if he doesn't go there, it's just a rational choice
I think it's fair to say that he's the best player currently but he's definitely not player of the year or GOAT/Bonjwa (though I don't think anyone says that seriously?) Winning 2 weekenders in a row doesn't come close to winning 3 GSLs in a row. If he would be korean absolutely nobody would call him player of the year.
Yep, I called this a month ago, Serral won Blizzcon and you re still hating and doing the mental gymnastics to try and discredit him. Blizzcon is a weekend tournament now, is it?
Well, to counter-balance your load of bullshit, I would just like to highlight that GSL is a 2nd tier tournament, since it s clearly not the highest level of competition, proven by the fact that the best player isnt participating in it. Let s just call it a series of stretched out best of 3s and best of 5s, where some of the better players are preparing 2 weeks to snipe each other with map-specific bullshit builds, clearly not a good test of true skill. + Show Spoiler +
(since this is the internet i feel like i have to give the disclaimer that this was satire)
Sorry that I'm trying to put some reason into your blind Serral fanboyism but it is just how it is. Rogue won 3 tournaments in a row last year and most people still viewed Innovation as the player of the year. What Serral has done multiple players have done before except for the fact that he's non-korean. What Maru has done is completely unprecedented. If Serral would be korean nobody would be calling him player of the year - that's a fact. Calling me a hater doesn't change that.
Interesting, the use of "unprecedented". I cant think of anything Serral did this year, that would qualify as unprecedented....
"Arguing" with you is completely pointless you're 100% detached from reality, you dont care about facts, results and the games themselves. You announced prior to Blizzcon that even if Serral would win (which you doubted) it would mean nothing. So nobody should be surprised that you keep spouting this bullshit after Serral curve-stumped the Koreans (btw the only player to not face any foreigners in their run from the ro16).
Im just pointing out how you stick to your blindly held grudge against foreigners. Not sure if it stems from just a crazy amount of self-hatred that you project this way, or what exactly is the reason, i just really wanted to gloat. I was 100% right about predicting both Serral's wins and your reaction and mental gymnastics.
Now, you re not the only one, there are like 2 others at TL who do exactly this, but seen your comment here just now.
Okay I'm done with you - you have no arguments except calling everyone who disagree a hater. Also this
You announced prior to Blizzcon that even if Serral would win (which you doubted) it would mean nothing.
never happened and I said that Serral is definitely the best player in the world now but apparently you have to make up things for your narrative that everyone is a hater who doesn't think he's a bonjwa
Im sorry if i'm mixing up some commenters, as i said, you and the 2 other Serral bashers are the same to me, i dont really recall who wrote exactly what. Then again, i apologize if you werent the one announcing it, sadly i cant go through your post history it would take too much time. But, while we re at it, i never thrown around the word "Bonjwa" either, so.... I claimed prior to the event, that if Serral would win blizzcon that would mean 8-9 months of undefeated run filled with trophies, which would have been unprecedented. But the very next day he dropped an online series to Neeb, so i stopped with that narrative.
On November 04 2018 21:00 BonitiilloO wrote: Serral seems to be good, the only thing that bugs me is the fact he is Zerg, always Foreing zerg players are able to get somewhere... is like its easier to archive something at high levels with that race tho,
Serral won because he didnt face maru lets be clear on that. on top of that i dont thing korean players are at their peak anymore.
Are you for freaking real? Have you even watched Serral's games? The level Serral is on right now, is insane. The amount of good decisions the guy makes every game is insane. If you don't have the knowledge to see that, stop making those comments.
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