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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 09 2018 18:14 GMT
#3041
You mean Chelsea clutched it out like Rogue, not Serral.
SamuelGreen
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden292 Posts
November 09 2018 19:24 GMT
#3042
On November 09 2018 12:09 Charoisaur wrote:
A korean born in korea can play WCS if he gets a proper VISA. Let's say TRUE won all WCS seasons, GSL vs the world and Blizzcon. And now tell me with a straight face that he would be considered player of the year over Maru.
He wouldn't, we both know it. Serral just gets the foreigner hype bonus.

Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 10:07 Xain0n wrote:
You are implying that you must win a Code S to have the best Sc2 feats in a year, no matter what? That's some extreme GSL bias that probably would have been justified if we were still in 2014.

Yeah you should have results in the major sc2 tournament if you want to have the best feats in the year...


Serral ftw! Absolute beast and best player of 2018 no doubt!
Maru is a great second :-)
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-09 19:52:56
November 09 2018 19:51 GMT
#3043
On November 09 2018 12:09 Charoisaur wrote:
A korean born in korea can play WCS if he gets a proper VISA. Let's say TRUE won all WCS seasons, GSL vs the world and Blizzcon. And now tell me with a straight face that he would be considered player of the year over Maru.
He wouldn't, we both know it. Serral just gets the foreigner hype bonus.

Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 10:07 Xain0n wrote:
You are implying that you must win a Code S to have the best Sc2 feats in a year, no matter what? That's some extreme GSL bias that probably would have been justified if we were still in 2014.

Yeah you should have results in the major sc2 tournament if you want to have the best feats in the year...

TRUE would totally be considered player of the year, because he'd have beaten the Korea-based Koreans in the tournaments where they met, just like Serral. Look at how prime TaeJa was considered as at least on par with Korea-based Koreans, and often better : that was because he dominated foreign events and beat the supposedly superior "real" Koreans when they met. Same with Serral.

Oh, and there's also how you win. Serral looked absolutely without equal here, and from what I can gather it was pretty much the same for his WCS wins. A TRUE who'd be as dominant would absolutely be considered as godlike.
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necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
November 10 2018 02:03 GMT
#3044
On November 10 2018 04:51 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 12:09 Charoisaur wrote:
A korean born in korea can play WCS if he gets a proper VISA. Let's say TRUE won all WCS seasons, GSL vs the world and Blizzcon. And now tell me with a straight face that he would be considered player of the year over Maru.
He wouldn't, we both know it. Serral just gets the foreigner hype bonus.

On November 09 2018 10:07 Xain0n wrote:
You are implying that you must win a Code S to have the best Sc2 feats in a year, no matter what? That's some extreme GSL bias that probably would have been justified if we were still in 2014.

Yeah you should have results in the major sc2 tournament if you want to have the best feats in the year...

TRUE would totally be considered player of the year, because he'd have beaten the Korea-based Koreans in the tournaments where they met, just like Serral. Look at how prime TaeJa was considered as at least on par with Korea-based Koreans, and often better : that was because he dominated foreign events and beat the supposedly superior "real" Koreans when they met. Same with Serral.

Oh, and there's also how you win. Serral looked absolutely without equal here, and from what I can gather it was pretty much the same for his WCS wins. A TRUE who'd be as dominant would absolutely be considered as godlike.

you mention Taeja as if it bolsters your point when it does the opposite (Taeja dominate overseas, but never won a Code S)
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 10 2018 03:20 GMT
#3045
It's on point:Taeja didn't win Code S AND Blizzcon and still was acclaimed as the best player of the year(2013?).
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
November 10 2018 04:34 GMT
#3046
Prior to blizzcon I was pretty certain that Serral was at least the 2nd best player by a large margin, I wasn't part of the clueless that believed dark/rogue were or even that they had a shot, but I'm still not convinced that Serral is superior to Maru, or that he could replicate what he did this year.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 10 2018 18:02 GMT
#3047
BlizzCon level Serral could win 3 GSL; he's better than Maru, at the moment.
LordYama
Profile Joined August 2010
United States370 Posts
November 11 2018 01:12 GMT
#3048
Unfair to Serral to say "well he didn't play Maru" when it's Maru's fault they didn't play in the two tournaments they were both in. Serral made it all the way through and won, Maru could have beaten him and settled the issue that way but he lost before reaching Serral in both cases.

Serral can only beat who they put in front of him, and he did that.
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
November 11 2018 23:17 GMT
#3049
Late to party. Congratulations Serral for winning the most important tournament of the year!
So the time has come when non-korean is the best player in the World! It is really impressive and important moment in the history of StarCraft!
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7025 Posts
November 13 2018 13:41 GMT
#3050
On November 10 2018 02:32 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2018 21:34 Harris1st wrote:
In pretty much every sport I know it counts who is on top at the END of a season. Not the beginning, not the middle.
If you see Blizzcon at somewhat of a playoff thing between two conferences (USA style) or as a champions league (EU Style). The result is the same: Serral

nobody considered Chelsea the strongest team in the world when they won the champions league. They just clutched it out when it counted like Serral.

also the comparison isn't very good to begin with because basketball/football don't have a GSL-equivalent.


Which year? 11/12 Chelsea won the CL true, but they didn't win Premier League by a large margin like Serral did WCS. They were placed 6th. Bad example on your part.

I also didn't include curling or golf. What's your point?
I did mention the US system though with conferences and divisions which does support my argument IMO. Feel free to argue though
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18560 Posts
November 13 2018 14:34 GMT
#3051
also Chelsea lucked their way to a CL win, even Chelsea fans know that

Serral dominated blizzcon
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 14 2018 09:18 GMT
#3052
On November 10 2018 11:03 necrosexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2018 04:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On November 09 2018 12:09 Charoisaur wrote:
A korean born in korea can play WCS if he gets a proper VISA. Let's say TRUE won all WCS seasons, GSL vs the world and Blizzcon. And now tell me with a straight face that he would be considered player of the year over Maru.
He wouldn't, we both know it. Serral just gets the foreigner hype bonus.

On November 09 2018 10:07 Xain0n wrote:
You are implying that you must win a Code S to have the best Sc2 feats in a year, no matter what? That's some extreme GSL bias that probably would have been justified if we were still in 2014.

Yeah you should have results in the major sc2 tournament if you want to have the best feats in the year...

TRUE would totally be considered player of the year, because he'd have beaten the Korea-based Koreans in the tournaments where they met, just like Serral. Look at how prime TaeJa was considered as at least on par with Korea-based Koreans, and often better : that was because he dominated foreign events and beat the supposedly superior "real" Koreans when they met. Same with Serral.

Oh, and there's also how you win. Serral looked absolutely without equal here, and from what I can gather it was pretty much the same for his WCS wins. A TRUE who'd be as dominant would absolutely be considered as godlike.

you mention Taeja as if it bolsters your point when it does the opposite (Taeja dominate overseas, but never won a Code S)

Read again, that's actually my point.
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throwawaybobi
Profile Joined November 2018
1 Post
November 14 2018 17:43 GMT
#3053
On November 10 2018 11:03 necrosexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2018 04:51 OtherWorld wrote:
On November 09 2018 12:09 Charoisaur wrote:
A korean born in korea can play WCS if he gets a proper VISA. Let's say TRUE won all WCS seasons, GSL vs the world and Blizzcon. And now tell me with a straight face that he would be considered player of the year over Maru.
He wouldn't, we both know it. Serral just gets the foreigner hype bonus.

On November 09 2018 10:07 Xain0n wrote:
You are implying that you must win a Code S to have the best Sc2 feats in a year, no matter what? That's some extreme GSL bias that probably would have been justified if we were still in 2014.

Yeah you should have results in the major sc2 tournament if you want to have the best feats in the year...

TRUE would totally be considered player of the year, because he'd have beaten the Korea-based Koreans in the tournaments where they met, just like Serral. Look at how prime TaeJa was considered as at least on par with Korea-based Koreans, and often better : that was because he dominated foreign events and beat the supposedly superior "real" Koreans when they met. Same with Serral.

Oh, and there's also how you win. Serral looked absolutely without equal here, and from what I can gather it was pretty much the same for his WCS wins. A TRUE who'd be as dominant would absolutely be considered as godlike.

you mention Taeja as if it bolsters your point when it does the opposite (Taeja dominate overseas, but never won a Code S)



Taeja did well internationally and in Korea during his peak, I watched those tournament runs and he didn't win global or gsl due to a combination of luck more so than his actual skills, if I recall correctly, during a time when zerg was OP, he lost to Roro(?) in round of 4 I think, who went on to win the whole thing, and thereafter, it seems he would lose to the eventual tournament winners, and at a time he regularly beats life in tournaments, he lost a close 3-4 series in global, i think the sample size was just too small for him, his overall records at the time against "top koreans" was stellar
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