EPT[WCS 2018] Global Finals - Finals Day - Page 144
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Agh
United States1024 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
I guess we will see at HSC already actually. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18184 Posts
On November 04 2018 11:42 mierin wrote: I agree with you on paper. I just want Serral to fulfill the haters' win condition and actually win a GSL. Then there'll be some bullshit about it being a Zerg favoured patch, him only facing easy/slumping opponents or it being on the back of X matchups. Haters gonna hate. Serral best player of the year! | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On November 04 2018 17:37 Musicus wrote: Man, if he can keep this up next year on the new patch.... I guess we will see at HSC already actually. I'm honestly expecting Reynor to steal some wins from Serral soon enough, he's very good too. I'm not sure if he's as solid as Serral in all match ups, but his ZvZ at Montreal gave Serral more trouble than any Koreans lately did. To be honest, WCS in general has many good ZvZ players which can in theory beat him (see Montreal, he was behind in multiple series), but yeah, they actually need nerves solid enough for it to happen. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On November 04 2018 18:16 HolydaKing wrote: I'm honestly expecting Reynor to steal some wins from Serral soon enough, he's very good too. I'm not sure if he's as solid as Serral in all match ups, but his ZvZ at Montreal gave Serral more trouble than any Koreans lately did. To be honest, WCS in general has many good ZvZ players which can in theory beat him (see Montreal, he was behind in multiple series), but yeah, they actually need nerves solid enough for it to happen. Now that I think about it, Reynor did better vs Serral than any Korean at BlizzCon. 1 more map and he would've been there too. Serral can't be complacement, there are players that can catch up to him in WCS and that's really exciting. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On November 04 2018 10:40 GumBa wrote: Finland went from a joke nation with elfi to bonjwa nation with Serral. How dare you insult Naama, elfi and Welmu? | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
But I think it is a bit premature to call him a god or a legend. The difference between achievement and legend is a lifetime of excellence. To seize one’s moment is a great thing, but to have that moment last an entire career is divine. MVP is a legend because he had multiple great years and remained at or near the top for his entire SC2 career, through many patches and a few generations of players come and gone. Serral could certainly get there, but we need more time and more great years for that. This isn’t to diminish what he did this year in any way, but let’s not get carried away. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On November 04 2018 18:58 coverpunch wrote: But I think it is a bit premature to call him a god or a legend. The difference between achievement and legend is a lifetime of excellence. Usually that's right, but you can say him winning Blizzcon is something legendary too, since foreigners had tried that for such a long time and never came nearly as close. It's right that the title then should be non-korean/foreigner legend though. His current form is indeed fantastic and has been for the whole year, but yeah, one year isn't good enough to call him "the best player ever" or similar while actually meaning it. You gotta keep in mind people also love to exaggerate because it's fun (either to create hype or to trigger people). | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18184 Posts
On November 04 2018 19:51 shabby wrote: The brackets have been out for a long time, so calling it a weekender, not being able to prepare, isnt entirely true. After 4 WCS titles and GSL vs the world, they would always assume meeting Serral. Yes, and no. It might have been swagger and bravado, but not a single Korean mentioned him as a threat, and Dark said twice that he considered Serral to be the easiest matchup he could get from the group winners. Well, they all got absolutely wrecked :D | ||
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nadavu
44 Posts
On November 04 2018 18:58 coverpunch wrote: The difference between achievement and legend is a lifetime of excellence. To seize one’s moment is a great thing, but to have that moment last an entire career is divine. MVP is a legend because he had multiple great years and remained at or near the top for his entire SC2 career, through many patches and a few generations of players come and gone. Unfortunately, MVP's career did not enjoy a "life time of excellence". His entire sc2 career spans less than four years, of which he was in top shape for about two. So unless you're saying he was god-like in BW in the years before he switched to SC2, your definition of "legend" does not apply to him. I would argue that MVP deserves his legendary status because of the historical significance he had at that moment of time where he was the best. And by that logic, Serral is pretty close to legend himself. But definitions are tricky like that. In the end, it's all subjective. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16022 Posts
On November 04 2018 18:58 coverpunch wrote: I think we should parse out the difference between achievement and legend. Serral had an incredible year and absolutely deserves to be called the best current player in SC2 and player of the year. I think it would also be fair to say he’s had the best year of any player ever. Player of the year? LOL | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Even more pathetic is trying to downplay the preparation. The difference between knowing the exact opponent for weeks and having a 16man bracket and then a week (outside home!) for another 8man is day and night. Again, this is not a "theory", this is observable for years and years as the difference between performance in GSL and elsewhere for many players (in both directions). Serral is a great player, the best foreigner we ever had by miles. It is honestly not really his fault that the reality of the world is as it is, but he can't be "the greatest" if he doesn't play in GSL. And it is even not a fault if he doesn't go there, it's just a rational choice | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16022 Posts
On November 04 2018 20:11 opisska wrote: I would never think I will see a day when "koreaboo" and "koreaphile" will be thrown on TL as insults. Are you out of you collective fucking minds? Koreans have dominated the game for 9 years. Foreigners got always shat on in GSL, no matter how "great" they were while harvesting easy money in the rest of the world. Now we have multiple people crafting excuses why GSL suddenly isn't the ultimate tournament just to fit their narrative? Cmon, that is just pathetic. Even more pathetic is trying to downplay the preparation. The difference between knowing the exact opponent for weeks and having a 16man bracket and then a week (outside home!) for another 8man is day and night. Again, this is not a "theory", this is observable for years and years as the difference between performance in GSL and elsewhere for many players (in both directions). Serral is a great player, the best foreigner we ever had by miles. It is honestly not really his fault that the reality of the world is as it is, but he can't be "the greatest" if he doesn't play in GSL. And it is even not a fault if he doesn't go there, it's just a rational choice I think it's fair to say that he's the best player currently but he's definitely not player of the year or GOAT/Bonjwa (though I don't think anyone says that seriously?) Winning 2 weekenders in a row doesn't come close to winning 3 GSLs in a row. If he would be korean absolutely nobody would call him player of the year. | ||
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nadavu
44 Posts
On November 04 2018 20:02 Acrofales wrote: Yes, and no. It might have been swagger and bravado, but not a single Korean mentioned him as a threat, and Dark said twice that he considered Serral to be the easiest matchup he could get from the group winners. Well, they all got absolutely wrecked :D Before beating sOs, Stats said in an interview that the only player that can stop him from lifting the trophy is Serral. And I think I remember Rouge mentioning Serral as a threat before that. Dark was just being Dark. It's his way of dealing with the stress and get in the heads of his opponents (like he did to Neeb on multiple occasions, despite admitting he could not win against him on the ladder, which he of course said only after he won on stage) | ||
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Kikirik1
45 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On November 04 2018 20:19 Kikirik1 wrote: Serral is absolute best, but he still can prove himself vs korean terans, vs best ZvZ player Soo, and why not vs Neeb who have best PvZ right now. I would honestly doubt that Neeb's PvZ is better than Stats' PvZ. But I defnitely want to see more Serral vs Korean Terrans and let's just see and wait which Koreans will be at HSC. Inno is announced at the very least. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 04 2018 20:14 Charoisaur wrote: I think it's fair to say that he's the best player currently but he's definitely not player of the year or GOAT/Bonjwa (though I don't think anyone says that seriously?) Winning 2 weekenders in a row doesn't come close to winning 3 GSLs in a row. If he would be korean absolutely nobody would call him player of the year. Yep, I called this a month ago, Serral won Blizzcon and you re still hating and doing the mental gymnastics to try and discredit him. Blizzcon is a weekend tournament now, is it? Well, to counter-balance your load of bullshit, I would just like to highlight that GSL is a 2nd tier tournament, since it s clearly not the highest level of competition, proven by the fact that the best player isnt participating in it. Let s just call it a series of stretched out best of 3s and best of 5s, where some of the better players are preparing 2 weeks to snipe each other with map-specific bullshit builds, clearly not a good test of true skill. + Show Spoiler + (since this is the internet i feel like i have to give the disclaimer that this was satire) | ||
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