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why are they interviewing jjakji?
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On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation.
Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money.
Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore.
But back to your point, definitely could make that argument.
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On March 03 2017 03:34 Penev wrote:
why are they interviewing jjakji?
don't be silly, this is Ryung
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On March 03 2017 03:27 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:27 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:19 Ej_ wrote:On March 03 2017 03:16 Pandain wrote:
Alive still won the most stacked tournament of all time so there's that Mvp competed in the most competitive era. lol RorO was a patchzerg.
Well RorO won as much Korean tournament as Neeblet
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On March 03 2017 03:33 munch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 Durnuu wrote:On March 03 2017 03:22 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:19 Ej_ wrote:On March 03 2017 03:16 Pandain wrote:
Alive still won the most stacked tournament of all time so there's that Mvp competed in the most competitive era. Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around . Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Ej_ is trolling  Some people actually think Mvp's era was just as competitive though. When in fact it was around the lvl we have now Let's be honest though, 2016 was a bit of a shitshow
Sure, i am mainly trying to prove that Mvp is overhyped. I dislike that Mvp circlejerk quite a bit 
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On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument.
Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none.
Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square.
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If jjakji beat Neeb the top three is sure to be TY-Stats-aLive right?
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On March 03 2017 03:37 Nakajin wrote:
If jjakji beat Neeb the top three is sure to be TY-Stats-aLive right?
No TY has to win one more.
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On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square.
Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still.
But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments.
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On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments.
Double GSL / Blizzcup / BlizzCon. That's before you get to counting his 6 more weekenders, dual dh winter silvers, and blizzcon silver
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On March 03 2017 03:43 munch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. Double GSL / Blizzcup / BlizzCon. That's before you get to counting his 6 more weekenders, dual dh winter silvers, and blizzcon silver
barely beat crippled Mvp with BL/inf on his side
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On March 03 2017 03:44 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:43 munch wrote:On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. Double GSL / Blizzcup / BlizzCon. That's before you get to counting his 6 more weekenders, dual dh winter silvers, and blizzcon silver barely beat crippled Mvp with BL/inf on his side
Calm down stuchiu.
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On March 03 2017 03:43 munch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. Double GSL / Blizzcup / BlizzCon. That's before you get to counting his 6 more weekenders, dual dh winter silvers, and blizzcon silver
I mean i get that, but he really should have done better in GSL for his massive talent. As i said before, i personally don't value weekend tournaments as much (blizzcon is oen as well tbh, even though it's obviously the one with the most prestige)
I simply think a lot of players are fairly close when you look at the overall results. For example a guy who does consistently well in GSL/SSL (ro8, ro4 finishes) and also wins like two of them is pretty much on the same lvl in my book.
Especially when he also did well in proleague, i think proleague should be a factor there as well.
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Why are you guys arguing about a piece of shit (Life)? Stop talking about match fixers. They are disgusting
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On March 03 2017 03:47 sharkie wrote:
Why are you guys arguing about a piece of shit (Life)? Stop talking about match fixers. They are disgusting
we could also talk about how blink era was statistically more imbalanced than BL/inf
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On March 03 2017 03:44 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:43 munch wrote:On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. Double GSL / Blizzcup / BlizzCon. That's before you get to counting his 6 more weekenders, dual dh winter silvers, and blizzcon silver barely beat crippled Mvp with BL/inf on his side
I really have to research Mvp's condition again. Stuchiu always pointing out how "crippled" Mvp was manipulated me enough so i have no idea about the reality anymore. There was a documentation i think. "rise of the king" or something like that.
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On March 03 2017 03:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:43 munch wrote:On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. Double GSL / Blizzcup / BlizzCon. That's before you get to counting his 6 more weekenders, dual dh winter silvers, and blizzcon silver I mean i get that, but he really should have done better in GSL for his massive talent. As i said before, i personally don't value weekend tournaments as much (blizzcon is oen as well tbh, even though it's obviously the one with the most prestige) I simply think a lot of players are fairly close when you look at the overall results. For example a guy who does consistently well in GSL/SSL (ro8, ro4 finishes) and also wins like two of them is pretty much on the same lvl in my book. Especially when he also did well in proleague, i think proleague should be a factor there as well.
Who would you put ahead of Life?
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Using proleague as an argument for Life's skill is a bit weird to say the least.
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On March 03 2017 03:48 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:43 munch wrote:On March 03 2017 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 03 2017 03:37 Philozovic wrote:On March 03 2017 03:34 Pandain wrote:On March 03 2017 03:23 pvsnp wrote:Nah definitely most competitive level was 2013 when we had the Kespa invasion, and still all the pro players from esf and foreigners still around .
Not that the skill level hasn't kept improving over time, but that was definitely the greatest quantity of talent. Meaning the best players would have to be Life and INnoVation. Ugh don't mention his name. Favorite player and had chance to be GOAT and then threw it all away for money. Breaks my heart honestly, I can't even watch old games of his anymore. But back to your point, definitely could make that argument. Not really an argument to be fair, life is the greatest bar none. Sure he lost some games on purpose, doesn't change the fact than when he won it was fair and square. Life is also a bit overhyped tbh. He had a lot of mediocre results in korea, never did well in proleague. It's probably fair to distribute that to him not beign motivated but still. But yeah that's me valuing weekend tournaments A LOT LESS than korean tournaments. Double GSL / Blizzcup / BlizzCon. That's before you get to counting his 6 more weekenders, dual dh winter silvers, and blizzcon silver I mean i get that, but he really should have done better in GSL for his massive talent. As i said before, i personally don't value weekend tournaments as much (blizzcon is oen as well tbh, even though it's obviously the one with the most prestige) I simply think a lot of players are fairly close when you look at the overall results. For example a guy who does consistently well in GSL/SSL (ro8, ro4 finishes) and also wins like two of them is pretty much on the same lvl in my book. Especially when he also did well in proleague, i think proleague should be a factor there as well. Who would you put ahead of Life?
I'd put EJ ahead of Life
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