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On March 05 2016 23:36 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:35 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:
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The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years. I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk) Do you not agree that Kespa players have dominated offline western tournaments for years?
Infamous KeSPA team Team Liquid strikes again, attempting to dominate another western offline event. The madness never ends!
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POOOOOLT
SNUUUUUTE
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Oh i like that 2012 dreamhack sweden reference.
Still remember how Thorzain defeated polt in that finals...
GOGO SNUTE !!!
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I completely forgot thorzain beat polt. Its so strange that a foreign terran won a premier tournament and its even stranger that he beat a korean terran to do it.
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Canada2764 Posts
On March 05 2016 23:38 [PkF] Wire wrote:POOOOOLT SNUUUUUTE I can't choose
I'm rooting for good games
.. And snute
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"Blue Norwegian Zerg player" Holy shit, it's the Norwegian blue!! :o
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France12912 Posts
On March 05 2016 23:36 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:35 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:
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The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years. I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk) Do you not agree that Kespa players have dominated offline western tournaments for years?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Global_Finals
Koreigner (Jaedong) beating kespa boys left and right, that's quite shameful for "blabla no mechanical error mistakes" beasts. And there are probably a lot of other instances but this one is enough.
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On March 05 2016 23:38 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:37 Penev wrote:
I would just like some more occurences where Koreans, Koreigners and foreigners are all in the same tournament.
But now it's time for a unforgettable finals, go Snute! aren't there cross finals ?
Korea has cross finals between GSL and SSL. No such thing between GSL/SSL and WCS.
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On March 05 2016 23:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:36 Heartland wrote:On March 05 2016 23:35 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years. I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk) Do you not agree that Kespa players have dominated offline western tournaments for years? Infamous KeSPA team Team Liquid strikes again, attempting to dominate another western offline event. The madness never ends!
Experts alarm: we have to cut off Taeja's arms or he will keep clowning professional competition
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On March 05 2016 23:39 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:36 Heartland wrote:On March 05 2016 23:35 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years. I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk) Do you not agree that Kespa players have dominated offline western tournaments for years? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Global_FinalsKoreigner (Jaedong) beating kespa boys left and right, that's quite shameful for "blabla no mechanical error mistakes" beasts. And there are probably a lot of other instances but this one is enough.
I mean as an overall rule.
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Go Snute!!! Go Polt!!!
Such a great finals! :-)
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On March 05 2016 23:39 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:36 Heartland wrote:On March 05 2016 23:35 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years. I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk) Do you not agree that Kespa players have dominated offline western tournaments for years? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Global_FinalsKoreigner (Jaedong) beating kespa boys left and right, that's quite shameful for "blabla no mechanical error mistakes" beasts. And there are probably a lot of other instances but this one is enough.
to be fair, Jaedong has the best mechanics in all of Starcraft
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On March 05 2016 23:39 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:38 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:37 Penev wrote:
I would just like some more occurences where Koreans, Koreigners and foreigners are all in the same tournament.
But now it's time for a unforgettable finals, go Snute! aren't there cross finals ? Korea has cross finals between GSL and SSL. No such thing between GSL/SSL and WCS.
oh sad 
cross finals with WCS winners / GSL winners / SSL winners, season finals style, would have been great. I truly loved those tournaments (Bomber's run man, such great memories !).
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On March 05 2016 23:29 EatingBomber wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:27 Soularion wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:On March 05 2016 23:13 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:12 Thax wrote:
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Years of training and experience just doesn't disappear because you suddenly play on a different server. It would certainly lead to a marked decline Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc IEM Cologne. Hydra's Ro8 at Blizzcon. Hydra's 2-0 lead against Zest at Zest's victory in IEM WC. Hydra and Polt are monsters. Sure, other players are fucking gods, but don't lie and say they aren't great because that reduces the 'great players' of this game to.. what, not even a dozen people? Nah. Yes yes yes, continue to point out anomalies in performance and ignore the nature of these players' games themselves ie. constant supply blocks and other mechanical errors, constantly dropping maps/sets to foreigners, and the other unpleasant facts which expose how weak these Koreans actually are... please. The only time Hydra ever made Code S was... 2014? When was viOlet last relevant? As far as I can tell, only Polt is good enough to stand against Korean Koreans consistently.
And? FanTaSy also had "constant supply blocks and other mechanical errors", and he was doing pretty well for himself in Korea. Heck, even if you look at Code S this season there aren't that many players who are known for their mechanical prowess. ForGG could keep up with Korean Koreans and also constantly dropped sets to foreigners. Like honestly there's more to starcraft than that. And if you ever watched GSL/SSL it's VERY easy and trivial to find mistakes from the players, not necessarily mechanical errors.
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On March 05 2016 23:35 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:21 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:18 Thax wrote:
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Yes, but you still have that head start, which as is being demonstrated over and over again, is rather significant. The gap is only significant at the beginning. After that, mechanics, followed by strategic cleverness, display a marked decline. The mechanics of Hydra, Polt, and viOlet are very similar to those of the foreigners. Why are you watching if you think those guys are rubbish ? Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years. I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk)
SC2 has been quite volatile, yes, but Koreans usually used to shred through those kinds of tournaments - literally.
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On March 05 2016 23:40 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:39 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:36 Heartland wrote:On March 05 2016 23:35 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:
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Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years. I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk) Do you not agree that Kespa players have dominated offline western tournaments for years? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Global_FinalsKoreigner (Jaedong) beating kespa boys left and right, that's quite shameful for "blabla no mechanical error mistakes" beasts. And there are probably a lot of other instances but this one is enough. to be fair, Jaedong has the best mechanics in all of Starcraft
haha what
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On March 05 2016 23:40 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:39 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:36 Heartland wrote:On March 05 2016 23:35 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:23 EatingBomber wrote:
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Where did I say these guys were rubbish? compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years. I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk) Do you not agree that Kespa players have dominated offline western tournaments for years? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Global_FinalsKoreigner (Jaedong) beating kespa boys left and right, that's quite shameful for "blabla no mechanical error mistakes" beasts. And there are probably a lot of other instances but this one is enough. to be fair, Jaedong has the best mechanics in all of Starcraft
At least he used to then. Well, he tried.
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On March 05 2016 23:40 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:40 Ej_ wrote:On March 05 2016 23:39 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:36 Heartland wrote:On March 05 2016 23:35 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:On March 05 2016 23:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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compared to Koreans I guess, but still, we don't need to be reminded every time how 100000 times worse than the Koreans those guys are. Respect their practice and their work. I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years. I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk) Do you not agree that Kespa players have dominated offline western tournaments for years? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Global_FinalsKoreigner (Jaedong) beating kespa boys left and right, that's quite shameful for "blabla no mechanical error mistakes" beasts. And there are probably a lot of other instances but this one is enough. to be fair, Jaedong has the best mechanics in all of Starcraft haha what
you heard me
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On March 05 2016 23:41 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:40 Heartland wrote:On March 05 2016 23:40 Ej_ wrote:On March 05 2016 23:39 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:36 Heartland wrote:On March 05 2016 23:35 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:34 Creager wrote:On March 05 2016 23:27 Poopi wrote:On March 05 2016 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 05 2016 23:25 EatingBomber wrote:
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I wasn't reminding anyone of the difference; Blizzcon will do that for me. My point is that the Koreans in the WCS Circuit are not very good, and should not be regarded as 'monsters' or 'powerhouses', etc I think Blizzcon on the contrary will show that the gap between Koreans powerhouses and guys like Polt isn't so huge, as it does every year (I'm fed up to bring up those everytime, but Polt vs Rain, Polt vs Classic, Hydra vs Dream, etc) People don't realize that kespa boys aren't that good in week-end style tourneys While I agree that Korean leagues differ substantially from western tournaments in terms of preparation, it's a still pretty inaccurate guess to label all "kespa boys" as incapable of performing well in a weekend-format tournament -> if you like to do some research, look up IEM or Dreamhack tournament history for the last 5 years. I'm not saying they can't perform well, I'm saying they are pretty mortal as well as anyone else due to the high variance of the RTS genre (or sc2 idk) Do you not agree that Kespa players have dominated offline western tournaments for years? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Global_FinalsKoreigner (Jaedong) beating kespa boys left and right, that's quite shameful for "blabla no mechanical error mistakes" beasts. And there are probably a lot of other instances but this one is enough. to be fair, Jaedong has the best mechanics in all of Starcraft haha what you heard me
you crazy ej
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ha ha Polt bringing out the preparation
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